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8/28/2008 6:44:03 AM EDT
I've just moved to NC from VA.  I have a VA CWP, for which I had to take an NRA course (I think it was the first steps pistol course).  Is the certificate from this course sufficient for a NC course, or should I go through the time/expense of yet another basic pistol course?

I ask here because, unsurprisingly, the friendly folk at my local sheriff's office weren't exactly eager to help...

(Mind you, I have no issue with pistol safety courses per se, I'd just rather spend my time/money on more advanced training...)
8/28/2008 8:43:09 AM EDT
[#1]
You have to attend a state-approved CCCH permit course course in order to get your NC permit. The NRA basic pistol course doesnt meet the state's standards.
8/28/2008 10:24:36 AM EDT
[#2]
Also, the NC course is about four hours on NC law pertaining to concealed carry and shoot don't shoot decisions.  It may be a drag to take another course, but at least you get a good starting base in NC law as it pertains to firearms.  Where did you move to in NC? I have family in VA that I'm trying to convince to do the same.
8/28/2008 10:45:50 AM EDT
[#3]
I'm in Raleigh.  I like it here, but on some level I regret leaving Virginia's currently firearms-friendly laws for the extreme hostility to CCW and NFA in North Carolina...
8/28/2008 11:40:01 AM EDT
[#4]
The NFA laws could be alot better but the CCW depends on the county you are in. Here in Cumberland County it has been taking about 3-4 weeks to get your permit. I had a guy from Harnett County take my class and he said he had a permit in 2 weeks. On the other end of the spectrum, it seems like the counties with our Larger cities take as long as they can and make you jump thru more hoops, like making an appointment to put in the app and get finger printed.
8/28/2008 12:20:51 PM EDT
[#5]

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I'm in Raleigh.  I like it here, but on some level I regret leaving Virginia's currently firearms-friendly laws for the extreme hostility to CCW and NFA in North Carolina...


It's true.  NC is far superior to any yankee state, but it's still the California of the south.
8/29/2008 5:46:49 PM EDT
[#6]
Just carry your VA permit until it expires.  I did until I had to endure the Meck county BS and fork out money for a course.   Sadly instead of any marksmanship, the NC course is about criminal rights and discouraging self defense...(i.e. the "law")
8/29/2008 6:34:51 PM EDT
[#7]
I've been thinking about just staying with the VA permit.  I need to look into this; I know VA issues non-resident permits, but mine is a resident permit.  Hopefully it just kinda automatically converts...
8/29/2008 6:44:58 PM EDT
[#8]

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I've been thinking about just staying with the VA permit.  I need to look into this; I know VA issues non-resident permits, but mine is a resident permit.  Hopefully it just kinda automatically converts...


Ya know that would eliminate concealed carry just about everywhere in the southeast south of NC? Even FL doesn't accept the VA non resident.  The NC course isn't difficult and it does give you the real word on gun law in NC which is what you will be held to no matter where the permit was issued. You might even take up wearing a bow tie.
8/30/2008 7:07:57 AM EDT
[#9]
You make a good point.  But at least as a temporary measure, I can use my VA permit.
9/2/2008 1:20:11 PM EDT
[#10]
I know in many states, you either immediately lose the permit, or it's considered revoked after 30 days, or some other time limit, once you've moved out of that state, a lot of people don't know that, better check you're state's code on that.

If you get pulled over, or otherwise questioned by an officer in NC/SC, they may not check you out if you still appear to live in VA, but I would bet if you pull out your NC DL, or he somehow determines you live here now, he may already know, or ask the right people, to determine your permit is no longer valid, if you're state considers it revoked after you move. At that point, you may face a charge, or lose a weapon, or something, so I wouldn't sit there and assume your permit will hold you over until it expires, I would find out for sure from VA, and go from there.

You may also want to check out some general laws, if you haven't already, in the mean time. One site to check out is handgunlaw.us/ they have 'off limits' places and other good info. Usually offers links to various state codes and such too, to ck for yourself the interpretation. One thing you may already know, unlike VA where you can open carry into a bar/restaurant that serves alcohol, where CCW would not be allowed, here in NC or SC that's not allowed, no carry at all of any kind in alcohol serving businesses. Also some weird ones, can't carry anywhere 'admission is charged' or certain public gatherings, so that would include movies, parades, street festivals, etc., and while 'under a state of emergency' so you'll want to read up on that.

You will also want to read up on the open carry and vehicle carry policies for NC/SC which are direct opposite from each other, in the event the 'CWP' does not apply (like until you get yours straigtened out or the emergency thing), in some cases the regular rules would apply.

Good luck and welcome to the area!

Karz
9/2/2008 4:39:07 PM EDT
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here in NC or SC that's not allowed, no carry at all of any kind in alcohol serving businesses.


Can you site the source for that? I had a student ask in my last CCW class and I looked in my copy of the AG's NC Firearms Laws book and my Concealed Carry Red Book and the Red Book mentions no CCW but I can't find where we can't open carry anywhere that serves alcohol.
9/2/2008 7:25:34 PM EDT
[#12]

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here in NC or SC that's not allowed, no carry at all of any kind in alcohol serving businesses.


Can you site the source for that? I had a student ask in my last CCW class and I looked in my copy of the AG's NC Firearms Laws book and my Concealed Carry Red Book and the Red Book mentions no CCW but I can't find where we can't open carry anywhere that serves alcohol.


Well for NC it's N.C.G.S. 14-269.3

ยง 14‑269.3.  Carrying weapons into assemblies and establishments where alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed.

(a)       It shall be unlawful for any person to carry any gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission thereto, or into any establishment in which alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed.  Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

(b)       This section shall not apply to the following:

(1)       A person exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269;

(2)       The owner or lessee of the premises or business establishment;

(3)       A person participating in the event, if he is carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol with the permission of the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event; and

(4)       A person registered or hired as a security guard by the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event. (1977, c. 1016, s. 1; 1981, c. 412, s. 4, c. 747, s. 66; 1993, c. 539, s. 165; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)



Also, if you're teaching the course you should have a copy of the yellow book "Laws Governing Concealed Handgun and Use of Deadly Force" . It is also covered there on page 8.
9/2/2008 7:29:51 PM EDT
[#13]
Thanks FlatFrogFlyer. I knew I had seen it somewhere but completely missed it in the yellow book.
9/2/2008 7:39:06 PM EDT
[#14]
Not a problem! I know it helps me keep honest when I read questions here. Makes me go check and verify.  BTW I found a great resource is Ed Z at the JA. He's always willing to help instructors. (I know, I pester him a ton.)
9/10/2008 5:34:25 PM EDT
[#15]
thanks for chiming in, I'm not getting notices on threads sometime, so it's tough for me to keep up...
9/12/2008 12:39:58 PM EDT
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NC [...] it's still the California of the south.



+1  didn't they decriminalize marijuana posession?  lol