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1/8/2014 12:03:05 AM EDT
Any of you guys play airsoft games?

New range opened up in North Kansas City and we've been talking about trying it out.

Been trying to figure out what kind of rifle to buy.  I'd like to get something that mimics my AR as close as possible (weight, good trigger, modular or basic hand guard).

Some of the people in the airsoft forums I joined said I might be happier with a metal GBB gun over a AEG, but the mags look expensive and limited in capacity compared to the AEG mags.

Just thought I'd get a take from guys that shoot real guns.  Never sure if guy on the other end of this airsoft forums is knowledgeable adult or a child talking about the gun his parents bought him.
1/8/2014 3:42:32 AM EDT
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Where in NKC? That's really close to me, I'm down
I don't have a gun or anything yet, but I'll get one!!
1/8/2014 4:12:34 AM EDT
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I use Airsoft extensively for force on force scenario training, and I mean large groups of educators and officers.  Depends on what you are looking for from the experience.  When I do Active Killer Intruder drills with teachers, admin types etc who have no experience with guns I use really cheap gas guns that are plastic, don't recoil, controls other than trigger are cosmetic, etc. This works well because it's not as confusing









When I work with officers, I use high end gas guns.  In this environment, the officers are familiar with weapons and the recoil, functioning controls and the small report from the gas escaping gives a sense of realism that is beneficial in training LE.










I've used AEG's, and keep 4 of them in various configs (pistol to rifle).  They are less finicky than gas guns in my experience.  When we run 50+ officers through MACTAC, I have at least one instructor or more as "gun guys" as they are busy loading and un f$#%ing the various gas guns.  However, the AEG's are expensive, can be delicate and battery dependent.










YMMV  


 
1/8/2014 8:58:04 PM EDT
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Where in NKC? That's really close to me, I'm down
I don't have a gun or anything yet, but I'll get one!!
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http://www.intrigueairsoft.com/
1/8/2014 9:14:26 PM EDT
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I use Airsoft extensively for force on force scenario training, and I mean large groups of educators and officers.  Depends on what you are looking for from the experience.  When I do Active Killer Intruder drills with teachers, admin types etc who have no experience with guns I use really cheap gas guns that are plastic, don't recoil, controls other than trigger are cosmetic, etc. This works well because it's not as confusing

When I work with officers, I use high end gas guns.  In this environment, the officers are familiar with weapons and the recoil, functioning controls and the small report from the gas escaping gives a sense of realism that is beneficial in training LE.

I've used AEG's, and keep 4 of them in various configs (pistol to rifle).  They are less finicky than gas guns in my experience.  When we run 50+ officers through MACTAC, I have at least one instructor or more as "gun guys" as they are busy loading and un f$#%ing the various gas guns.  However, the AEG's are expensive, can be delicate and battery dependent.

YMMV  
 
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I think that's one thing I was thinking I could get from this, was a little force on force practice.  I have been in a couple classes where we did some FOF but it was limited.  I know this CQB game would be more like tag, but thought it would be good practice with shooting from cover while being shot at, and the like.

I also thought I would try to make this gun as close to my practical shooting sports rifle as possible.

Blow-back recoil would be nice, but it's not essential.  And it sounds like from what you say and other things I have read these GBBG's require a lot of care and feeding.

With all of that in mind do you have any recommendations on what AEG's to be looking for?

Just combing through M4 style AEG's I found the G&G Raider-L, which looks to be setup similar to how I'd like.  Would like a naked or modular hand guard and a metal gun for the weight.  I can't find anywhere around here that has these guns to shoulder though.
1/9/2014 6:56:12 AM EDT
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There is some info about them at the bottom of page 1 in this thread  - http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1578011_Geissele_is_Making_Airsoft_Triggers_Awesome___.html&page=1
1/9/2014 8:08:11 AM EDT
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I would like to try some airsoft scenarios, but i'm afriad its just another hobby to get into that will cost me lots of $$$$
1/9/2014 9:21:14 AM EDT
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I would like to try some airsoft scenarios, but i'm afriad its just another hobby to get into that will cost me lots of $$$$
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You show good judgement.  If not for the fact that we are training 2,000 + officers I would not have bought the gear I have.  It can be so costly it rivals real BRD.  I try not to get that into it.  I use them for the "I don't have to get shot to know its a bad thing" crowd, or the "I'm not going to let you taser me just to be cert'ed to carry one".
1/10/2014 12:49:31 AM EDT
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I would like to try some airsoft scenarios, but i'm afriad its just another hobby to get into that will cost me lots of $$$$
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"Life ain't nothin but bitches and money..."
1/10/2014 6:19:52 AM EDT
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If you take it for what it is, airsoft is a great force on force training resource.  Considerations should be made.  








  1. We actually chrono our bb's, because some of the platforms can really ramp up the fps.

  2. Don't let anyone tell you that eye/throat/groin protection isn't necessary.  I've written my share of injury reports for various PD's related to this.

  3. If you are doing this inside, you can do damage to walls, furniture, glass, etc.  (see first caveat)










We keep a pool of weapons because they go down with high volume of use.