Posted: 5/26/2012 10:52:41 AM EDT
I drove an hour and a half today to pick up a firearm and got delayed! This never happens when I'm ten minutes from my house. I've had four or five transfers in the past year or so and have sailed right through but not today when I'm eighty something miles away. They must be eating too much BBQ today. 
On a side note, I saw Trent Burns on the highway this morning. Looked like you were going to ARPC. |
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I was surprised that this happened. I will call you as soon as it changes - enjoy your Vacation as for it being a Holiday Weekend I do not call this in to an actual person I use the NICS Online System and no person is involved in that. That is one reason why I do not call this in and use the Online feature. |
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Quoted: Pretty slick the way that works...very sorry about that I was surprised that this happened. I will call you as soon as it changes - enjoy your Vacation as for it being a Holiday Weekend I do not call this in to an actual person I use the NICS Online System and no person is involved in that. That is one reason why I do not call this in and use the Online feature. Makes me wonder why anyone would do it the old way... Also, makes me wonder, doesn't someone on the other end have to hit the Big Red or Green button though??? Or does a computer make the decision to allow, deny or delay??? BTW, I'm annoyed with the NICS system too... I finally converted a Co-worker into a shooter (or a hand gun buyer at least) and he get delayed on purchasing a S&W 9mm... Him, his son and myself went shooting today... Neither of them had shot much of anything so I took two ARs, 12" and 16", 2 Glocks 9mm and .45, and two .22s a Henry Lever and a 10/22 with Bull Barrel and Scope... I 1st went over some gun saftey rules, then spent some time showing them how to hold and handle each firearm, before cutting them loose.. Started them on the .22s and worked up.. Both had a good time and what to know when we can go back... |
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Why not get a UPIN number and not ever worry about delays ??? We should all get one of those....mabey we can get it required so that its like a national foid card 
I certainly hope you said this with sarcasm. A fucking national foid card, please, kill me now.
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Why not get a UPIN number and not ever worry about delays ??? How would I go about this? this what you have to do UPIN #
You just call the FBI # 1-877-324-6427 and let it go till someone picks up and ask for customer service for UPIN info. They will take your info and mail you a package to fill out and a finger print card to take to your local sherriffs office to be printed and make sure that office put their stamp on it or its no good. You send the paperwork and finger prints after making sure you signed the back of your paperwork so they can process it and it can take 30 to 150 days depending on the individual. |
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Why not get a UPIN number and not ever worry about delays ??? How would I go about this? this what you have to do UPIN #
You just call the FBI # 1-877-324-6427 and let it go till someone picks up and ask for customer service for UPIN info. They will take your info and mail you a package to fill out and a finger print card to take to your local sherriffs office to be printed and make sure that office put their stamp on it or its no good. You send the paperwork and finger prints after making sure you signed the back of your paperwork so they can process it and it can take 30 to 150 days depending on the individual. More fingerprints. HAHA. If they are keeping them the .gov has about 15 sets of mine so far. What a waste of paperwork to have to resubmit something that they have multiple times over. |
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I purchased another AR two weeks ago from work and had another associate run my 4473 by computer. I got a delay for roughly 10 min! This is new to me as well. Dont know what the deal is??? You got a delay or a "requires further review"? In other words did the person calling it in stay on the line until they got a final response, or did the call end and the FBI call back 10 minutes later? The further review thing is routine. A 10 minute delay probably just means they were having computer issues (or the operator needed to go take a dump . . .  ). I had a customer get a delay a couple of weeks ago, but the operator told me it was a computer problem on their end. She called me back about 30 minutes later.
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very sorry about that I was surprised that this happened. I will call you as soon as it changes - enjoy your Vacation as for it being a Holiday Weekend I do not call this in to an actual person I use the NICS Online System and no person is involved in that. That is one reason why I do not call this in and use the Online feature. Makes me wonder why anyone would do it the old way... A lot of my customers have difficulty operating a ballpoint pen. I can only imagine the clusterfuck that would ensue if I turned some of these folks loose on a computer keyboard. |
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Why not get a UPIN number and not ever worry about delays ??? We should all get one of those....mabey we can get it required so that its like a national foid card
I certainly hope you said this with sarcasm. A fucking national foid card, please, kill me now. The sarcasm was strong in that post. |
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Why not get a UPIN number and not ever worry about delays ??? We should all get one of those....mabey we can get it required so that its like a national foid card
I certainly hope you said this with sarcasm. A fucking national foid card, please, kill me now. The sarcasm was strong in that post. It must have been, I caught it. 
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Hmm never EVER had a delay, in fact it comes back so fast that the examiner generally tells the "What? You havent' given it to him yet? Why not?
Sheriff's deputy visited the new house the other day, Neighbor's ADT went off and they found the front door open. Nothing happened but he followed up with the neighbors to see what might have happened. (neighbors were not home) So he comes up, asks if he can come in and tells that should keep doors locked and cars locked, and that even way out here stuff happens. He actually says "best thing to do is just shoot em" Then... he sees it... big as life there it is perched on the top of the closet in the living room... the 1919, with ammocan, tripod and a belt of dummy ammo hanging from the feed tray... He laughed and said "That ought to do it!" Then he left saying "Have a good day!" |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty slick the way that works...very sorry about that I was surprised that this happened. I will call you as soon as it changes - enjoy your Vacation as for it being a Holiday Weekend I do not call this in to an actual person I use the NICS Online System and no person is involved in that. That is one reason why I do not call this in and use the Online feature. Makes me wonder why anyone would do it the old way... A lot of my customers have difficulty operating a ballpoint pen. I can only imagine the clusterfuck that would ensue if I turned some of these folks loose on a computer keyboard. ehh, I meant the FFL entering the data into the online NICS check, not the end user or buyer... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why not get a UPIN number and not ever worry about delays ??? We should all get one of those....mabey we can get it required so that its like a national foid card I certainly hope you said this with sarcasm. A fucking national foid card, please, kill me now. The sarcasm was strong in that post. It must have been, I caught it. Am I the only one that puts his SSN on the 4473? I'm sure not, but I try not too put mine down... Also, I've put down my D/L # instead to see if that would fly and it has... |
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Quoted: Hmm never EVER had a delay, in fact it comes back so fast that the examiner generally tells the "What? You havent' given it to him yet? Why not? Sheriff's deputy visited the new house the other day, Neighbor's ADT went off and they found the front door open. Nothing happened but he followed up with the neighbors to see what might have happened. (neighbors were not home) So he comes up, asks if he can come in and tells that should keep doors locked and cars locked, and that even way out here stuff happens. He actually says "best thing to do is just shoot em" Then... he sees it... big as life there it is perched on the top of the closet in the living room... the 1919, with ammocan, tripod and a belt of dummy ammo hanging from the feed tray... He laughed and said "That ought to do it!" Then he left saying "Have a good day!" Thats great!!!! Had that been my local PD, there would have been two, one woulda fainted, the other would have called in the swat team and I woulda been the bad guy, vs the guys that kick in the door and take your shit when your not around or the Drug Dealers up on Diamond... |
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I drove an hour and a half today to pick up a firearm and got delayed! This never happens when I'm ten minutes from my house. I've had four or five transfers in the past year or so and have sailed right through but not today when I'm eighty something miles away. They must be eating too much BBQ today.
On a side note, I saw Trent Burns on the highway this morning. Looked like you were going to ARPC. Bummer,should have come and shoot some stuff with us first, at least you may have not minded as much 
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I purchased another AR two weeks ago from work and had another associate run my 4473 by computer. I got a delay for roughly 10 min! This is new to me as well. Dont know what the deal is??? You got a delay or a "requires further review"? In other words did the person calling it in stay on the line until they got a final response, or did the call end and the FBI call back 10 minutes later? The further review thing is routine. A 10 minute delay probably just means they were having computer issues (or the operator needed to go take a dump . . . ). I had a customer get a delay a couple of weeks ago, but the operator told me it was a computer problem on their end. She called me back about 30 minutes later.It actually said DELAY on the computer. I couldn't believe it. When I called to see why, the examiner said it was not a computer problem. Just glad I was at work and didnt leave during that 10 minutes.
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Pretty slick the way that works...
very sorry about that I was surprised that this happened. I will call you as soon as it changes - enjoy your Vacation as for it being a Holiday Weekend I do not call this in to an actual person I use the NICS Online System and no person is involved in that. That is one reason why I do not call this in and use the Online feature. Makes me wonder why anyone would do it the old way... A lot of my customers have difficulty operating a ballpoint pen. I can only imagine the clusterfuck that would ensue if I turned some of these folks loose on a computer keyboard. ehh, I meant the FFL entering the data into the online NICS check, not the end user or buyer... OK, so I'm one of the laggards still doing things the old way . . . Is the online NICS check different than the e4373? |
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Quoted: I assume you meant e4473 (I goggled e4373 thinkin maybe it was one of the NFA forms and it kept coming up with the 4473), but yea I think the online one I was talking about is the same thing...Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pretty slick the way that works...very sorry about that I was surprised that this happened. I will call you as soon as it changes - enjoy your Vacation as for it being a Holiday Weekend I do not call this in to an actual person I use the NICS Online System and no person is involved in that. That is one reason why I do not call this in and use the Online feature. Makes me wonder why anyone would do it the old way... A lot of my customers have difficulty operating a ballpoint pen. I can only imagine the clusterfuck that would ensue if I turned some of these folks loose on a computer keyboard. ehh, I meant the FFL entering the data into the online NICS check, not the end user or buyer... OK, so I'm one of the laggards still doing things the old way . . . Is the online NICS check different than the e4373? They just key in all the goods, click submit and a few seconds to a few mins later the screen shows the status and an approval # if there is one that I guess the FFL. puts on their copy... The thing I don't get, the e4473 was from what I can tell was supposed to eliminate paper (use consumption and storage)... Quoted://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473: In response to the Government Paperwork Elimination Act (GPEA), Public L. No 105-277, signed in 1999, and based upon requests from the firearms industry, the ATF has developed the e-Form 4473 to assist in the proper completion of the Federal Firearms Transaction Record (ATF Form 4473). The ATF eForm 4473 is designed to help eliminate errors in completing Form 4473 for both the firearm purchaser and the Federal Firearms License (FFL) holding seller. The eForm 4473 is provided to the public, including major retailers, free of charge via the ATF eForm web site. ATF eForm 4473 is a downloadable application that runs locally on the FFL's computer and supports both Windows and Mac OS X operating systems. (see "External links" section below) However, the way I understand it, the FFL has to retain a paper copy of the FFL for like 20 years for every transaction completed and like 5 years or so for every one denied... Just guessing on those lengths of time, but you get the idea.. If they still have to keep all the forms, then they are not really reducing the paper use much... |
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Pretty slick the way that works...
very sorry about that I was surprised that this happened. I will call you as soon as it changes - enjoy your Vacation as for it being a Holiday Weekend I do not call this in to an actual person I use the NICS Online System and no person is involved in that. That is one reason why I do not call this in and use the Online feature. Makes me wonder why anyone would do it the old way... A lot of my customers have difficulty operating a ballpoint pen. I can only imagine the clusterfuck that would ensue if I turned some of these folks loose on a computer keyboard. ehh, I meant the FFL entering the data into the online NICS check, not the end user or buyer... OK, so I'm one of the laggards still doing things the old way . . . Is the online NICS check different than the e4373? yes the NICS e-check is just an online way to get it processed. Rather than calling you do it via a secure web page. You will have to set this up with them and after they approve your paperwork you are ready to go. You will have to use the same computer to do this as you will get a key that is associated with your computer. I like this much better. If you want some info on it send me a IM and I can provide you with what you need to do. I do not use the e4473 application I use the paper type for that. While they file out this I do my thing speeds up the process in my opinion |
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yes the NICS e-check is just an online way to get it processed. Rather than calling you do it via a secure web page. You will have to set this up with them and after they approve your paperwork you are ready to go. You will have to use the same computer to do this as you will get a key that is associated with your computer. I like this much better. If you want some info on it send me a IM and I can provide you with what you need to do. I do not use the e4473 application I use the paper type for that. While they file out this I do my thing speeds up the process in my opinion Now that I think about it, I think I may have signed up for that when I first got my license. I actually don't have a problem with the phone call. |
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yes the NICS e-check is just an online way to get it processed. Rather than calling you do it via a secure web page. You will have to set this up with them and after they approve your paperwork you are ready to go. You will have to use the same computer to do this as you will get a key that is associated with your computer. I like this much better. If you want some info on it send me a IM and I can provide you with what you need to do. I do not use the e4473 application I use the paper type for that. While they file out this I do my thing speeds up the process in my opinion Now that I think about it, I think I may have signed up for that when I first got my license. I actually don't have a problem with the phone call. if you do not use it at least once a month or sign into the system you will have lost the access to it. it is some sort of security feature I was told |
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Why not get a UPIN number and not ever worry about delays ??? We should all get one of those....mabey we can get it required so that its like a national foid card
I certainly hope you said this with sarcasm. A fucking national foid card, please, kill me now. The sarcasm was strong in that post. Okay, cool! My heart rate can now return to normal.
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Why not get a UPIN number and not ever worry about delays ??? We should all get one of those....mabey we can get it required so that its like a national foid card
I certainly hope you said this with sarcasm. A fucking national foid card, please, kill me now. The sarcasm was strong in that post. Okay, cool! My heart rate can now return to normal. Just keeping the old guys on there toes
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Am I the only one that puts his SSN on the 4473? Nope. I have heard it helps with not getting denied.
I always put it on there. I got delayed last time because I put 5'3 on one 4473 and 5'2 on one a week prior. Guess I need to learn which I really am and stick to it
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Am I the only one that puts his SSN on the 4473? Nope. I have heard it helps with not getting denied.
I always put it on there. I got delayed last time because I put 5'3 on one 4473 and 5'2 on one a week prior. Guess I need to learn which I really am and stick to it Put what ever it says on your DL. And, I never put my SS on the 4473 and I do not get delayed. Then again I'm pretty low flow.
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Am I the only one that puts his SSN on the 4473? Nope. I have heard it helps with not getting denied.
I always put it on there. I got delayed last time because I put 5'3 on one 4473 and 5'2 on one a week prior. Guess I need to learn which I really am and stick to it Put what ever it says on your DL. And, I never put my SS on the 4473 and I do not get delayed. Then again I'm pretty low flow. I used to know another Erik Olsen that is definitely separated from his RKBA rights due to multiple felonies. I put it on there every time as we have the same middle initial. |
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Am I the only one that puts his SSN on the 4473? Nope. I have heard it helps with not getting denied.
I always put it on there. I got delayed last time because I put 5'3 on one 4473 and 5'2 on one a week prior. Guess I need to learn which I really am and stick to it Put what ever it says on your DL. And, I never put my SS on the 4473 and I do not get delayed. Then again I'm pretty low flow. I used to know another Erik Olsen that is definitely separated from his RKBA rights due to multiple felonies. I put it on there every time as we have the same middle initial. Did you live in Farmington in the late 90's? |
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Am I the only one that puts his SSN on the 4473? Nope. I have heard it helps with not getting denied.
I always put it on there. I got delayed last time because I put 5'3 on one 4473 and 5'2 on one a week prior. Guess I need to learn which I really am and stick to it Put what ever it says on your DL. And, I never put my SS on the 4473 and I do not get delayed. Then again I'm pretty low flow. I used to know another Erik Olsen that is definitely separated from his RKBA rights due to multiple felonies. I put it on there every time as we have the same middle initial. Did you live in Farmington in the late 90's? Nope, Villa Park, IL at that point. Didn't cross the Mississippi and get a shorter DL number until '07. I blame that for why I am so far behind on my gun purchases...stupid Illinois.... lol But that is a good example of why it's a good idea to use the SSN when you have a common name.
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Yeah I guess there is a bunch of you out there! Yep, silly Scandahoovian naming method at work. Lots of guys named Olaf had lots of boys before they changed the laws to keep the surname from changing every generation. lol Otherwise, I'd be Erik Harrisen and my son would be 'kiddo' Eriksen. Icelanders still do it that way. |
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I drove an hour and a half today to pick up a firearm and got delayed! This never happens when I'm ten minutes from my house. I've had four or five transfers in the past year or so and have sailed right through but not today when I'm eighty something miles away. They must be eating too much BBQ today.
On a side note, I saw Trent Burns on the highway this morning. Looked like you were going to ARPC. Bummer,should have come and shoot some stuff with us first, at least you may have not minded as much What time were you at ARPC??? I was there from 12:30 on till about 4... Sorry for the delay, been in Cabo 
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Am I the only one that puts his SSN on the 4473? Nope. I have heard it helps with not getting denied.
Oddly enough... I get delayed EVERY time I put my SSN on the form. If I just run it without it... Goes through just fine. If I run with it... They delay and call back usually 1-2 days later with a proceed. Weird. |
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Am I the only one that puts his SSN on the 4473? Nope. I have heard it helps with not getting denied.
Oddly enough... I get delayed EVERY time I put my SSN on the form. If I just run it without it... Goes through just fine. If I run with it... They delay and call back usually 1-2 days later with a proceed. Weird. Next 4473 I fill out I'm leaving mine off just to see. |
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