Posted: 6/16/2011 2:58:58 PM EDT
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Under Missouri law, is there any legal requirement for you to inform a police officer that you are CCW'ing during a routine traffic stop?
Can anyone direct me to a verifiable source one way or the other? Thanks! Bob |
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No requirement, but I tell them about it if I'm about to move in a way that would possibly expose my gun to their view. One example would be if the gun is in the console, and I have to get in there for my Proof Of Insurance. "Before I get that for you; I have a loaded .45 in the console right by it." Some say go ahead, and others ask if I'd get out and let them secure it. |
Ours just advise the subject is a CCW holder. We don't find out until after we approach, get your license, go back to the car and run the person. I personally hate it when people tell me they are carrying, that will start a conversation abound what they are carrying, what load, a arfcom plug, next thing you know a hour has passed.
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There is only a requirement to show the endorsement/permit upon the request of a peace officer. RSMo 571.121 (1)
I went to copy the text from http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutesearch/ and got this: "The Missouri General Assembly website is offline due to hardware failure. The website will be restored by the end of the week." |
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i HAVE A SCANNER NEXT TO ME ALL THE TIME, AND i'VE YET TO EVER HEAR DISPATCH SAY SOMEONE HAS A ccw. mAYBE THERE IS A CODE ? mAYBE AN OFFICER IN HERE COULD CLARIFY AS WELL AS TELL HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT ? (My caps lock was on and I'm not changin it.  )It seems to depend on the department. The one that I work with used to do it frequently, I haven't any in a few months though so perhaps they have changed their SOP. The department where I live I have never heard them call out a CCW permit over the air. |
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Under Missouri law, is there any legal requirement for you to inform a police officer that you are CCW'ing during a routine traffic stop? Can anyone direct me to a verifiable source one way or the other? Thanks! Bob This is what the statute says: Section 571.121 August 28, 2010 Duty to carry and display endorsement, penalty for violation––director of revenue immunity from liability, when. 571.121. 1. Any person issued a concealed carry endorsement pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall carry the concealed carry endorsement at all times the person is carrying a concealed firearm and shall display the concealed carry endorsement upon the request of any peace officer. Failure to comply with this subsection shall not be a criminal offense but the concealed carry endorsement holder may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed thirty- five dollars. |
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Under Missouri law, is there any legal requirement for you to inform a police officer that you are CCW'ing during a routine traffic stop? Can anyone direct me to a verifiable source one way or the other? Thanks! Bob This is what the statute says: Section 571.121 August 28, 2010 Duty to carry and display endorsement, penalty for violation––director of revenue immunity from liability, when. 571.121. 1. Any person issued a concealed carry endorsement pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall carry the concealed carry endorsement at all times the person is carrying a concealed firearm and shall display the concealed carry endorsement upon the request of any peace officer. Failure to comply with this subsection shall not be a criminal offense but the concealed carry endorsement holder may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed thirty- five dollars. Thanks,that's what I was looking for! Bob |
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Missouri Statutes 571.xxx covers it.
You need to review it yourself as no one should give legal advice. When I read it I am under the following impressions: 1, don't ask don't tell aka you do not have to volunteer the information. 2. If asked you are supposed to tell with a caveat 3. Caveat = refusing to answer is not criminal, lying might be. 4. Police stops involve various aspects in which you can change the rules very easily by giving an officer RAS so understand that there is no definitive answer here as the situations vary a lot. I do not tell when stopped, if I am ever asked I will tell them yes if it is true and go from there. |
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Missouri Statutes 571.xxx covers it. You need to review it yourself as no one should give legal advice. When I read it I am under the following impressions: 1, don't ask don't tell aka you do not have to volunteer the information. 2. If asked you are supposed to tell with a caveat 3. Caveat = refusing to answer is not criminal, lying might be. 4. Police stops involve various aspects in which you can change the rules very easily by giving an officer RAS so understand that there is no definitive answer here as the situations vary a lot. I do not tell when stopped, if I am ever asked I will tell them yes if it is true and go from there. Welcome to the site LMTD
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Couple of questions for an out of stater. ( I checked the "sticky" and a little internet searching). I didn't find what I was looking for. Have a permit from my home state and travel through MO frequently when visiting family. Can I carry in restaurants that serve alcohol? (I am not interested in consuming alcohol while carrying) Just want to know if I stop to eat, and the place such as Longhorn, Outback etc.. serves alcohol if I am legal. Can I carry legally while Bow Hunting? Some states allow it, and then again some don't. Just want to make sure. Thanks |
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Quoted: Can I carry in restaurants that serve alcohol? (I am not interested in consuming alcohol while carrying) Just want to know if I stop to eat, and the place such as Longhorn, Outback etc.. serves alcohol if I am legal. Yes, it's legal. To be illegal for CCW, the place would have to make something like 51% of their income from alcohol. Can I carry legally while Bow Hunting? Some states allow it, and then again some don't. Just want to make sure. Not yet. When the Fall 2012 season starts you can, but not this year. Fixed typo |
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Quoted: THANKS!Quoted: Can I carry in restaurants that serve alcohol? (I am not interested in consuming alcohol while carrying) Just want to know if I stop to eat, and the place such as Longhorn, Outback etc.. serves alcohol if I am legal. Yes, it's legal. To be illegal for CCW, the place would have to make something like 51% of their income from alcohol. Can I carry legally while Bow Hunting? Some states allow it, and then again some don't. Just want to make sure. Not yet. When the Fall 2012 season starts you can, but not this year. Fixed typo Yes, it's legal. To be illegal for CCW, the place would have to make something like 51% of their income from alcohol. So the local Tavern/Bar that is the only place to get something to eat is a no-no? I know concealed is concealed. Not yet. When the Fall 2012 season starts you can, but not this year. So this passed as law, with an effective date of 2012? |
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Quoted: THANKS! Yes, it's legal. To be illegal for CCW, the place would have to make something like 51% of their income from alcohol. So the local Tavern/Bar that is the only place to get something to eat is a no-no? I know concealed is concealed. Not yet. When the Fall 2012 season starts you can, but not this year. So this passed as law, with an effective date of 2012? (7) Any establishment licensed to dispense intoxicating liquor for consumption on the premises, which portion is primarily devoted to that purpose, without the consent of the owner or manager. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to the licensee of said establishment. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to any bona fide restaurant open to the general public having dining facilities for not less than fifty persons and that receives at least fifty-one percent of its gross annual income from the dining facilities by the sale of food. This subdivision does not prohibit the possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of the establishment and shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. Nothing in this subdivision authorizes any individual who has been issued a concealed carry endorsement to possess any firearm while intoxicated; I'm still looking for the 2012 deer hunting info... |
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Quoted: I made one of those too. Again, same disclaimer applies as the last one. I used the same source and made it around the same time. http://oi53.tinypic.com/xn6zxi.jpg TN now allows in restaraunts (as of last year/this year, was repealed then finally passed again with clarification), still no consumption while carrying though. Pretty much what is posted below your post. |
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I made one of those too. Again, same disclaimer applies as the last one. I used the same source and made it around the same time. http://oi53.tinypic.com/xn6zxi.jpg TN now allows in restaraunts (as of last year/this year, was repealed then finally passed again with clarification), still no consumption while carrying though. Pretty much what is posted below your post. Yeah, like I said, I made those in 2008 or 2009. I'll have to make updates one of these days. |
I was wrong about the CCW while bow hunting not going into effect until 2012; it's already in place for this Fall season.  It only applies to permit holders, so residents who normally carry under our open carry law are not allowed to do so while bow hunting.http://www.missouriwhitetails.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=141413#pid2037301 |
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Quoted: Thanks.I was wrong about the CCW while bow hunting not going into effect until 2012; it's already in place for this Fall season. It only applies to permit holders, so residents who normally carry under our open carry law are not allowed to do so while bow hunting.http://www.missouriwhitetails.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=141413#pid2037301 Another question. What is the definition of legally posted to prohibit CCW? By this I mean.. If they have gun with the circle and slash, is that legally posted prohibiting CCW? I ask this because in TN, we got our Restaurant carry passed, but they allowed the gun/circle slash mark as legal posting prohibiting CCW, compared to where legal posting prohibiting CCW had to be a sign of specific height/width, with specific wording in an obvious place at the entrance. To be honest, outside of St. Louis, I really didn't see that many "posted" locations. I know in the small towns I frequent when hunting in the North East part of the state I haven't seen any. |
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Quoted: What is the definition of legally posted to prohibit CCW? By this I mean.. If they have gun with the circle and slash, is that legally posted prohibiting CCW? (15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises as being off-limits to concealed firearms by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch. The owner, business or commercial lessee, manager of a private business enterprise, or any other organization, entity, or person may prohibit persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the premises and may prohibit employees, not authorized by the employer, holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying concealed firearms on the property of the employer. If the building or the premises are open to the public, the employer of the business enterprise shall post signs on or about the premises if carrying a concealed firearm is prohibited. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a criminal offense so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises. An employer may prohibit employees or other persons holding a concealed carry endorsement from carrying a concealed firearm in vehicles owned by the employer; |
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Quoted: You don't owe me anything.  (I'm about 40mi SW of St. Louis anyway). Very seldom go that way. Usually coming through on I-64, and do not slow down until I hit Wentzville on Hwy 61N. Then only to get a something to drink/snack/gas, and then continue North. Will be glad when they get the bridge replaced, so I don't have to do the I-70 route. |
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I'm curious about all the talk about CCW while bow hunting here in MO. Could you already CCW while hunting with a firearm and just the bow hunting thing is new?
In PA we used to not be allowed to carry any weapon we weren't allowed to hunt with while hunting. Semi-auto pistols are a no-go for hunting in PA. I'm not sure if it was alright to carry a revolver concealed. As of a couple years ago though, they passed a law saying that having a PA LTCF (license to carry a firearm) superseded the game laws.
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Quoted: I asked because 2 of the states that I hunt(TN and KY) passed within the last 3 years allowing CCW while Bow Hunting. (I heard MO was considering ) I'm curious about all the talk about CCW while bow hunting here in MO. Could you already CCW while hunting with a firearm and just the bow hunting thing is new? In PA we used to not be allowed to carry any weapon we weren't allowed to hunt with while hunting. Semi-auto pistols are a no-go for hunting in PA. I'm not sure if it was alright to carry a revolver concealed. As of a couple years ago though, they passed a law saying that having a PA LTCF (license to carry a firearm) superseded the game laws. Now MO passed and I hunt there as well. Hoping the Gov. of WI will actually pass CCW as rumored he will. leaving only IL that does not allow CCW. Now with that being said, there was actually some misalignment of legality concerning what was stated in state laws, and then what was stated in DNR laws "superseded" state laws. Meaning even if you followed state law, DNR officers could charge. That is not to say prosecuted, but still charged. Made for "tip toeing through a minefield". Fear will make many people not do something they are legally allowed to do. The problem is trying to remember what is legal in one state , is not legal in another. |
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Quoted: I'm curious about all the talk about CCW while bow hunting here in MO. Could you already CCW while hunting with a firearm and just the bow hunting thing is new? Yes; Missouri law says that if you're carrying a projectile weapon (long gun) in the open, you can also carry a concealed weapon. This was the case even before our CCW law got passed. The archery deal is a wildlife code issue, and until now it's been illegal to be in possession of a firearm while hunting on an archery permit. I've heard of people getting in trouble for having a gun in their vehicle while they were in the woods bow hunting.  |