Posted: 11/9/2010 6:02:32 PM EDT
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With Deer season coming up (rifle), does anyone CCW while hunting? I know there is a limit on rounds for your deer rifle, 5rds in gun and mag?, 10 rds total in gun and mag?, etc but would it be legal to carry a pistol CCW, with 15 or 17 rds on your person for defense purposes, not hunting? Or would you be limited (per the law) to the 5rd or 10rd limit for "hunting"?
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I just read the regs today after I picked up my deer tags. It says you cannot possess a firearm with a total capacity of 11 (10+1). I forgot the exact wording. So if I have 5 in the deer rifle and 15 in the pistol, that equals 20rds for 2 guns, so it's all good.... 
Seriously, if the regs say "possess", then I might just download the mag in the gun to 10 or 10+1 (whatever the regs say). Hmmm, so is a back up mag (not in the gun) ok? as long as it's not in the gun? I'm just thinking out loud on this one... |
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What they said............................................!
That being said, No mag can hold more than 10, but there is no limit to how many mags you can carry. You can also place a plug in the mag to not allow more than 10 rounds, similar to the plug in a shotgun. I have modified a couple of mags to limit capacity to 6-8 this way. Brian |
| I would guess most LE's in Fish and Game would understand your not hunting with a 40 or 45 semi auto pistol. I'm not saying for sure you'd be fine, but the reasoning for the law, and the letter of the law leaves some open space as I see it. If your intent was to break the law, you wouldn't be in a tree stand wearing orange. |
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I never NOT carry. Deer season wont be an exception. Just make sure your capacity is legal and ammunition is of the right type (soft point or hollow point, no FMJ or rimfire)
I DID try to make sure I was within legal limits this year with my Glock 17 so I could take it and my Trident 9 silencer hunting with me.....ordered a 10 round magazine for it again this year, but this year it actually arrived.....big thanks to OMB supply in Kans-ass. Last several years I carried a .45 with 10+1 capacity to be legal, but dont have a silencer for it. A couple times I used it to put down a deer with a spine shot or the like, for close family, without using expensive 300WSM and so on. My deer season setup...... My deer rifle of choice this year is my LWRC M6A3 with 2 ten round mags loaded with 64 grain soft points. Killed 5 deer last year with 55gr soft point .223 in 3 different ARs, so I know its effective enough for deer on the west side of the state. If a doe wonders under my stand and wont come out for an open shot, a 147gr Winchester HP will quietly de-brain her and leave all the meat completely untouched for one of my financially strapped friends, harvesters, or my smoker/grinder. 
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If you are deer hunting your sighting system, ammunition, and magazines must comply with MDC regulations for hunting deer whether you will actually be using it to take game or not.
This means no lasers on the gun including in grips or guide rods as they project a beam of light onto the game. Red dots, ACOG's, and holosight type sights are allowed. FMJ or "Ball" ammunition is prohibited as MDC requires an "Expanding" bullet. Cast lead bullets are allowed as they are considered and "expanding" type bullet. Finally a limit of 10+1 magazine capacity is also imposed on all weapons and magazines in your immediate possession. But remember concealed is concealed! 
Everyone legally allowed to own firearms who is lawfully hunting with a rifle, bow, crossbow, slingshot, BB gun, etc. can legally carry a concealed weapon with no permit required! 
Here is the relavent section of the Missouri Statutes. RSMo. 571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:....... (1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Violation is a Class "C" Felony I told a guy about this exception who was arrested for carrying a hunting knife under his coveralls during deer season. (Law Enforcement had made contact with him due to an unrelated incident, and when they searched him they found the knife.) To say he was pleased to find out about this exception would be an understatement. 
His lawyer had talked to the prosecutor and said the best deal he could get him was 2 years in prison. 
When he told his lawyer about the exception his lawyer said, "Huh, I didn't know that! " 
ETA: Yes the Unlawful Use of a Weapon charge was dropped. He still got probation for the above mentioned "Unrelated Incident". I agree EVERYONE involved in this case was ignorant of what the law actually said in regards to concealed weapons while hunting. |
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Concealed? hell no. I strap one of my big pistols on and carry it with me.
Ok, so the pistol is my secondary (ever try to shoot a rifle anywhere from the 2:00 - 6:00 position when you are right handed?) and my pistols of choice are two revolvers and a 10mm colt so mag capacity doesn't come into play with me but if you are really worried then carry something with a smaller magazine. |
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I will 100% guaranteed be CCWing while deer hunting, no different than any other time. People ask this about bowhunting too. Breaking a deer hunting regis the least of my problems if I need my CCW. I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. Not likely to happen.
Unless a game warden asks I won't be saying chit. |
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I will 100% guaranteed be CCWing while deer hunting, no different than any other time. People ask this about bowhunting too. Breaking a deer hunting regis the least of my problems if I need my CCW. I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. Not likely to happen. Unless a game warden asks I won't be saying chit. Thats right, if its CONCELED and you dont say anything the only one that knows is you. Dealing with LE, answer short to the point, dont volentier info.. |
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Quoted: If you are deer hunting your sighting system, ammunition, and magazines must comply with MDC regulations for hunting deer whether you will actually be using it to take game or not. This means no lasers on the gun including in grips or guide rods as they project a beam of light onto the game. Red dots, ACOG's, and holosight type sights are allowed. FMJ or "Ball" ammunition is prohibited as MDC requires an "Expanding" bullet. Cast lead bullets are allowed as they are considered and "expanding" type bullet. Finally a limit of 10+1 magazine capacity is also imposed on all weapons and magazines in your immediate possession. But remember concealed is concealed! Center fire too; not likely anyone would be carrying a .22lr handgun, but while deer hunting it would be illegal. |
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The way I look at it is the MDC regulations are just that, a regulation. The concealed carry law is a law. They can kiss my Donkey!!! That being said I usually have a revolver or 1911 with me while hunting so capacity doesn't come into play. Video at 9 Agent kisses Pumpkinheaver's Donkey! 
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Quoted: Quoted: The way I look at it is the MDC regulations are just that, a regulation. The concealed carry law is a law. They can kiss my Donkey!!! That being said I usually have a revolver or 1911 with me while hunting so capacity doesn't come into play. Video at 9 Agent kisses Pumpkinheaver's Donkey! ..while he's on a time out from ARF for advocating breaking the law.  |
| I carry my every day carry gun while hunting with rifle, bow, or black powder. On my hunting grounds I've run into shady looking characters trespassing several times. Never a game warden. I figure the chances of something going south with a river-rat meth head are higher than a game warden hassling me about my carry gun. The consequences of not having the pistol when I would really need it are much more dire than a fine from a warden. |
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I would guess most LE's in Fish and Game would understand your not hunting with a 40 or 45 semi auto pistol. I'm not saying for sure you'd be fine, but the reasoning for the law, and the letter of the law leaves some open space as I see it. If your intent was to break the law, you wouldn't be in a tree stand wearing orange. Have you ever met a Missouri Gamewarden?
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| Sorry guys I get a little hot under the collar when discussing the Mo Dept of Conservation. I have been arguing for years with them over CCW and bowhunting. They say it's a no go I say I'm gonna carry anyways. What are they gonna do take my hunting license away? So be it. I hear that there might be a change in the regulations for next year that would allow CCW while bowhunting. Once again I apolaogize for letting my emotions get the best of me!!!LOL |
| Even before MO had CCW it was legal to carry a concealed weapon as long as you carried an exposed weapon. That was an unknown statute even by a lot of LEO for along time. I happened to mention it during a meeting at our office one day and 95% of the officers there did not have a clue this was in the statute. I have been hunting for 40 years and I have always carried CCW. |
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Even before MO had CCW it was legal to carry a concealed weapon as long as you carried an exposed weapon. That was an unknown statute even by a lot of LEO for along time. I happened to mention it during a meeting at our office one day and 95% of the officers there did not have a clue this was in the statute. I have been hunting for 40 years and I have always carried CCW. Yes, refer to my post on page one where a guy I know was arrested and almost went to prison for 2 years because no one including himself, the cops, his lawyer, the judge, or the prosecutor knew he was not breaking any law by having a knife under his coveralls during deer season while carrying a rifle openly. He didn't think about the possibility that it was illegal until they arrested him, then he didn't know that he unknowingly put himself in one of the few exceptions to the UUW (Unlawful Use of Weapons) statute at the time. |
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http://sssli.com/images/Glock-30%5B1%5D.jpg 10+1 And is known to fire all 11!!! Before having to manipulate the action due to FTFs For the record, I picked up a G-30, instead of a 10rd mag for the 9mm or .40. It's the ARFCOM way..
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