Posted: 9/22/2010 5:34:11 PM EDT
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According to my CCW instructor and RSMo 571.101, the sheriff reports the issuance of a permit to the Missouri uniform law enforcement system (MULES). Since I don't know anything else about MULES my question is this: When you make a traffic stop, do you always check MULES for this info? Do you check on the registered owner before approaching the vehicle? Do you check only after you've got the driver's license? Do you sometimes not check at all?
I'm wondering because I was stopped a few days ago driving 51 in a 35 (easy to do in that spot) and decided it wasn't necessary or helpful to declare my CCW at the initial contact and I really didn't know what his reaction would be if I did. The deputy came back a few minutes later with a $10 seat belt ticket in lieu of a much more expensive speeding ticket (I was wearing my seat belt). Neither one of us ever mentioned the CCW. So I've just been wondering if he knew about it and if it had any influence on his decision one way or the other. Thanks and stay safe. |
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I spoke wit a trooper 2 weeks ago about this very topic. Here is a summary of what he told me;
Yes it does show your CCW status when they enter your drivers license. It is not the policy of the MOHP to question every person pulled over if they are carrying because it is lawful, and would make no difference to them if you have a firearm in your possession or not. They can check the status of a vehicle by plate number to see if it is stolen, but it doesn't matter as much who owns it because it may not be the driver at the time. My impression from him was that it's no longer an issue with them if you have a firearm or not unless you have a felony, or they suspect you of something. On the other hand, not every LEO is a state trooper and there are a few who don't want anyone except them to carry a firearm, and will give you greif about it. |
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I actually attribute my CCW getting me out of a couple tickets, it could be that they were feeling really generous those days, but both times they had me dead to rights and just told me to slow it down.
That this is what I try to do: When asked for DL and insurance I tell them something along the lines of: I its in my right rear pocket, however I have a CCW and I do have a handgun on my right side. One cop didn't give a shit, the trooper had me put the gun on the passenger seat and come back to his car with him. |
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If I get a CCW from another state, say Florida, it doesn't show up on their systems does it? If you have an out of state permit then it will not show up when MO LEO runs your license. I have to ask, what is the concern with this? Why do you care if the officer knows you have a CCW |
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If I get a CCW from another state, say Florida, it doesn't show up on their systems does it? If you have an out of state permit then it will not show up when MO LEO runs your license. I have to ask, what is the concern with this? Why do you care if the officer knows you have a CCW +1 |
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If I get a CCW from another state, say Florida, it doesn't show up on their systems does it? If you have an out of state permit then it will not show up when MO LEO runs your license. I have to ask, what is the concern with this? Why do you care if the officer knows you have a CCW Because not all officers have common sense and I don't really feel like being hassled about it unnecessarily. I'm not the one the officer needs to worry about but they don't all think that way. Knowing my luck, I'd get one of them who doesn't think anyone but them ought to be carrying firearms. I don't anticipate being pulled over since I don't generally speed way over the speed limit but if I were, I don't like the idea that they automatically know I have a CCW. Biggest reason: It's none of their business. I also don't like the fact that you have to inform the sheriff if you move. Again, none of their business. It's almost like being registered. |
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If I get a CCW from another state, say Florida, it doesn't show up on their systems does it? If you have an out of state permit then it will not show up when MO LEO runs your license. I have to ask, what is the concern with this? Why do you care if the officer knows you have a CCW It's none of his business. Why do you feel like a super swell guy to cops because you have a CCW? You tell every cop something they already know when they pull you over. redleg, just get an out of state permit. They're cheaper and last longer. And nobody has to know. |
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Quoted: It's almost like being registered.
In some of our opinions it is exactly like registering. Simply to be "allowed" to carry. Does not feel like exercising a right too me. So I went with Utah to do it the least intrusive and inexpensive way possible. IMHO edited to clarify my statement |
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We had this thread not long ago but here is my take on the arguement:
The law states that if you have a ccw (regardless of issuing state) in MO and a cop asks to see it you have a duty to produce it for him. So who cares if it shows up on the damn license check. Heres an idea: Don't want the cops to know? Don't carry, or don't give them any reason to question you. As for the out of state permits, I understand the cost savings and it being less of hassle, but if you don't like it, work to get it changed. However not getting a MO permits is doing yourself, and everyone else that wants to legally carry in this state a great disservice. We exist my statistics in the law maker's eyes, so say 10 years down the road they show that only 0.1% of registered voters have a CCW what incentive does that give them to protect, or expand on our rights? How does that saying go? A Right Not Exercised is a Right Lost. |
| No one said anything about not showing it to him if he asks. If he asks, I'll show him. But, why would he ask to see a CCW if he doesn't know I have one? Also, it's legal in MO to carry a loaded weapon concealed in a vehicle without having a CCW so why is it a big deal for LEO's to want to know if you have a CCW? Again, none of his business. |
I agree with no account about lawmakers looking at the numbers. If you are a MO resident you should obtain a MO CCW for that reason alone. The only time I have taken a pistol from a CCW holder was on a DWI, normal traffic stop I don't mention it and don't care........unless I have time to kill and just want to talk guns with another "gun nut"! I personally feel Missouri's CCW law should be modeled after Arizonas, if you can legally possess it you can carry it no permit needed.
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I agree with no account about lawmakers looking at the numbers. If you are a MO resident you should obtain a MO CCW for that reason alone. The only time I have taken a pistol from a CCW holder was on a DWI, normal traffic stop I don't mention it and don't care........unless I have time to kill and just want to talk guns with another "gun nut"! I personally feel Missouri's CCW law should be modeled after Arizonas, if you can legally possess it you can carry it no permit needed.I knew there was something I liked about you. 
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I have a permit from Florida. At the time it became legal to carry in Missouri, St Louis and Kansas City refused to issue them because of the cost involved––read liberal influences not wanting to comply––Florida was easy to do at the time. I haven't changed since because I go to Florida often and will be moving there in a few years. I haven't been pulled over in a long time. That said, I will probably get pulled over tomorrow!!? I don't tell people that I carry, it's a secret.
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I hear ya on the stats, but you can open carry too and put it out there in everyday sight too.
We had this thread not long ago but here is my take on the arguement: The law states that if you have a ccw (regardless of issuing state) in MO and a cop asks to see it you have a duty to produce it for him. So who cares if it shows up on the damn license check. Heres an idea: Don't want the cops to know? Don't carry, or don't give them any reason to question you. As for the out of state permits, I understand the cost savings and it being less of hassle, but if you don't like it, work to get it changed. However not getting a MO permits is doing yourself, and everyone else that wants to legally carry in this state a great disservice. We exist my statistics in the law maker's eyes, so say 10 years down the road they show that only 0.1% of registered voters have a CCW what incentive does that give them to protect, or expand on our rights? How does that saying go? A Right Not Exercised is a Right Lost. Quoted:
I agree with no account about lawmakers looking at the numbers. If you are a MO resident you should obtain a MO CCW for that reason alone. The only time I have taken a pistol from a CCW holder was on a DWI, normal traffic stop I don't mention it and don't care........unless I have time to kill and just want to talk guns with another "gun nut"! I personally feel Missouri's CCW law should be modeled after Arizonas, if you can legally possess it you can carry it no permit needed.I agree with you. The Constitution of America says you can carry, period. End of story. |