Posted: 5/8/2010 3:02:27 PM EDT
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I looked around the net the other night to see who else was out there. In reading some of the BS on some of these guys web pages they make there selves sound like if you don't take their class you will go to jail for sure. In addition they bash every other instructor for pricing lower than them,not having 30 yrs experience etc..I looked one up in particular on https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/base/welcome.do Come to find out Mr.Perfect CCW instructor guy had a full order of protection on him back in 2007!!!! This dude should not even be in possession of a firearm period. Much less be teaching others to handle a gun. This is the best part..He's a dept sheriff at a local county!!!! I Love it....
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Thanks man, I guess an alternate career in IT is paying off! Yeah, I couldn't find a good "person pic" and I wasn't going to put my mug up there, so I went with a stock photo. I'm working on the links, just haven't got there yet. Take a picture in class and post it if you must put up a person photo. Some retired or former police officer teaching CCW will ding you for that picture. |
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Looks nice so far. Legal question: Is it kosher to use the likenesses of those firearms in your for-profit endeavor? It should be, I sell them!! Thats why I chose those particular guns. E1C, this is a common practice called "advertising" and is used to sell product.... 
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Most instructors have little personal habits they like to teach to classes as if it were fact or law. I have many friends who come back from classes telling me about this or that, that was told to them by their instructor. I usually laugh and try to correct them a little bit, but they usually argue with me because "thats what my instructor told me and hes a retired cop to"
I stand by this: If it looks like shit and smells like shit, it probably is shit. Now Dukes class is NO bullshit. Of course he has his personal opinions and tells them, but he also informs you of this on the spot. One of my friends only carrys Hydrashocks, because his instructor told him they are the best 
Another friends instructor thinks Glocks are unsafe and recommended a trigger block/plug thing(goes behind the trig) so now thats how he carries.
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Never met one with God complex. More like pre-ordained from birth by God to be NRA certified CCW instructors, baptized in the full glory of battle proved Operator status and claiming their Glocks were gifts of heaven.  I believe that 1911smith has captured the essence of it all. Well spoken! |
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Not to continue the hijack, but when I lived in Louisiana, I had one tell me that the proper way to carry a 1911 was with the hammer down on an empty chamber, because it is too dangerous to carry it with the hammer cocked and a round in the chamber, also he said it is easier to rack the slide than to disengage the thumb safety. I politely disagreed with him.
Same guy also said all you need for a HD weapon is a pump shotgun because the sound of the pump will scare off an intruder. |
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The point I'm trying to get across is that ANYBODY can teach these classes. Its BASIC information that can be taught by a near beginner. Even the law portion is simple to teach. In a 40 hr class session you will not change when someone will feel threatened enough to pull the trigger. Some of these dumbshits claim that if you were involved in a shooting that your instructors credentials will be crucial. That is complete BS to. Your drivers ed teacher is NEVER dragged into court when you speed,or even commit vehicular manslaughter why would your instructor for this state certification be?. I can not find ONE single case where they had the CCW instructor come to court,or even be questioned after a CCW holder shot someone. Bottom line is these idiots get pissed when they get out priced on their classes,or someone is just offering a much better deal...I'm happy that there are several people teaching,and supplying the community with different points of view.
There is better than some training out there of course. Point is, if your dumb before your class you will surely be dumb after it. An instructor cannot instill his,or her whole outlook and knowledge into people in 8hrs.. Your up Duke.. P.S. Jackson says "wink,wink Hi" |
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Sgt. Paul Bastean had been called to court twice after two CCW holders who took his class had to discharge weapons on the bad guys. Both times he was on the stand being asked questions about the certification of the shooters. Both times all charges were dropped against the shooters after his testimony. www.missouriconcealedcarry.com if you want to check it out or contact Paul.
Some of these dumbshits claim that if you were involved in a shooting that your instructors credentials will be crucial. That is complete BS to. Your drivers ed teacher is NEVER dragged into court when you speed,or even commit vehicular manslaughter why would your instructor for this state certification be?. I can not find ONE single case where they had the CCW instructor come to court,or even be questioned after a CCW holder shot someone. |
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Looks nice so far. Legal question: Is it kosher to use the likenesses of those firearms in your for-profit endeavor? It should be, I sell them!! Thats why I chose those particular guns. E1C, this is a common practice called "advertising" and is used to sell product.... Well, we all know how litigious our society has become. Hell, HK will sue you for even thinking of a gun that looks like one they haven't made in years. 
Just hoping the site-maker dotted his I's and crossed his T's and got permission to use those images. |
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Not to continue the hijack, but when I lived in Louisiana, I had one tell me that the proper way to carry a 1911 was with the hammer down on an empty chamber, because it is too dangerous to carry it with the hammer cocked and a round in the chamber, also he said it is easier to rack the slide than to disengage the thumb safety. I politely disagreed with him. So did/does Blitz308. 
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Same guy also said all you need for a HD weapon is a pump shotgun because the sound of the pump will scare off an intruder. I keep mine pre-loaded so they can't hear me coming.
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Not to continue the hijack, but when I lived in Louisiana, I had one tell me that the proper way to carry a 1911 was with the hammer down on an empty chamber, because it is too dangerous to carry it with the hammer cocked and a round in the chamber, also he said it is easier to rack the slide than to disengage the thumb safety. I politely disagreed with him. Same guy also said all you need for a HD weapon is a pump shotgun because the sound of the pump will scare off an intruder. It is interesting that you should bring this up as I just saw this addressed a couple of days ago by Larry Vickers on Tactical Impact. He was explaining condition one, two, and three. Larry gave the best answer I have ever heard. Basically he said there is not much difference between each method and to carry in a manor the you feel comfortable. |
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I'm very glad to see more and more instructors not taking the "my way or the highway" approach. Clint Smith, the Magpul guys, and all the others that advocate finding what works for you among the accepted practices make me think there's hope for a brighter and less assheaded future.
Never took a class with Duke, so I don't know which category he's in. I can guess though.  
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That's not how they do it in the movies. You pump often for dramatic effect. And it's like a squirt gun, shoots harder the more you pump it.
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Not to continue the hijack, but when I lived in Louisiana, I had one tell me that the proper way to carry a 1911 was with the hammer down on an empty chamber, because it is too dangerous to carry it with the hammer cocked and a round in the chamber, also he said it is easier to rack the slide than to disengage the thumb safety. I politely disagreed with him. So did/does Blitz308.
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Same guy also said all you need for a HD weapon is a pump shotgun because the sound of the pump will scare off an intruder. I keep mine pre-loaded so they can't hear me coming.
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Sgt. Paul Bastean had been called to court twice after two CCW holders who took his class had to discharge weapons on the bad guys. Both times he was on the stand being asked questions about the certification of the shooters. Both times all charges were dropped against the shooters after his testimony. www.missouriconcealedcarry.com if you want to check it out or contact Paul.
Some of these dumbshits claim that if you were involved in a shooting that your instructors credentials will be crucial. That is complete BS to. Your drivers ed teacher is NEVER dragged into court when you speed,or even commit vehicular manslaughter why would your instructor for this state certification be?. I can not find ONE single case where they had the CCW instructor come to court,or even be questioned after a CCW holder shot someone. As I said before your instructor will have no effect on whether you are prosecuted or not. His credentials are in no way going to save you at all. If your actions are illegal,or aggressive you will in fact be prosecuted. If you are wanting me to belief that these two people were headed for trouble until their instructor showed up with ten boxes of credentials and saved the day your mistaken. |
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I would have to disagree, from what I understand at this point it was civil charges being brought, not criminal which would be a different ballgame in my opinion. Perhaps I am wrong though.
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Sgt. Paul Bastean had been called to court twice after two CCW holders who took his class had to discharge weapons on the bad guys. Both times he was on the stand being asked questions about the certification of the shooters. Both times all charges were dropped against the shooters after his testimony. www.missouriconcealedcarry.com if you want to check it out or contact Paul.
Some of these dumbshits claim that if you were involved in a shooting that your instructors credentials will be crucial. That is complete BS to. Your drivers ed teacher is NEVER dragged into court when you speed,or even commit vehicular manslaughter why would your instructor for this state certification be?. I can not find ONE single case where they had the CCW instructor come to court,or even be questioned after a CCW holder shot someone. As I said before your instructor will have no effect on whether you are prosecuted or not. His credentials are in no way going to save you at all. If your actions are illegal,or aggressive you will in fact be prosecuted. If you are wanting me to belief that these two people were headed for trouble until their instructor showed up with ten boxes of credentials and saved the day your mistaken. |
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I would have to disagree, from what I understand at this point it was civil charges being brought, not criminal which would be a different ballgame in my opinion. Perhaps I am wrong though.
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Sgt. Paul Bastean had been called to court twice after two CCW holders who took his class had to discharge weapons on the bad guys. Both times he was on the stand being asked questions about the certification of the shooters. Both times all charges were dropped against the shooters after his testimony. www.missouriconcealedcarry.com if you want to check it out or contact Paul.
Some of these dumbshits claim that if you were involved in a shooting that your instructors credentials will be crucial. That is complete BS to. Your drivers ed teacher is NEVER dragged into court when you speed,or even commit vehicular manslaughter why would your instructor for this state certification be?. I can not find ONE single case where they had the CCW instructor come to court,or even be questioned after a CCW holder shot someone. As I said before your instructor will have no effect on whether you are prosecuted or not. His credentials are in no way going to save you at all. If your actions are illegal,or aggressive you will in fact be prosecuted. If you are wanting me to belief that these two people were headed for trouble until their instructor showed up with ten boxes of credentials and saved the day your mistaken. This must have been a little while ago as our newer Castle Doctrine law make civl suits for good shoots unpossible. |
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I would have to disagree, from what I understand at this point it was civil charges being brought, not criminal which would be a different ballgame in my opinion. Perhaps I am wrong though.
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Sgt. Paul Bastean had been called to court twice after two CCW holders who took his class had to discharge weapons on the bad guys. Both times he was on the stand being asked questions about the certification of the shooters. Both times all charges were dropped against the shooters after his testimony. www.missouriconcealedcarry.com if you want to check it out or contact Paul.
Some of these dumbshits claim that if you were involved in a shooting that your instructors credentials will be crucial. That is complete BS to. Your drivers ed teacher is NEVER dragged into court when you speed,or even commit vehicular manslaughter why would your instructor for this state certification be?. I can not find ONE single case where they had the CCW instructor come to court,or even be questioned after a CCW holder shot someone. As I said before your instructor will have no effect on whether you are prosecuted or not. His credentials are in no way going to save you at all. If your actions are illegal,or aggressive you will in fact be prosecuted. If you are wanting me to belief that these two people were headed for trouble until their instructor showed up with ten boxes of credentials and saved the day your mistaken. This must have been a little while ago as our newer Castle Doctrine law make civl suits for good shoots unpossible. Correct Grasshopper!! |