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5/11/2009 3:14:37 PM EDT
I'll try to make this as short and concise as possible...

Saturday afternoon I get a call from my dad.  He sounds distressed and tells me that some guy is out to get my younger brother.  They came home and found my brother's Jeep beat to shit with a baseball bat.  It was parked in my parent's driveway and this evidently happened in broad daylight (12:30pm).  My brother is 19, lives with my parents, currently in college.  This is in a nice neighborhood, lots of joggers, walkers, and a fair amount of traffic... so it was a pretty brazen act.  While this fella was playing homerun derby with the Jeep, he called my brother's cell phone and left a threatening message.  Ends up this 24 yr old has some kind of obsession with my bro's ex girlfriend and had received some false info that they were still talking.  Truth is my brother has been trying to ditch this chick for a few months now...

Anyhow, I hear the news and immediately grab my EBR, PGP Mossy 500, CCW and show up at my parent's in record time. CONT...
5/11/2009 3:33:36 PM EDT
[#1]
Sorry typing this from my phone that cuts me off after a certain length, moving along...

I'm fired up.  Is this dude coming back? Who the fuck does he think he is? My parent's house!?  WTF!!!  I'm thinking all types of crazy shit... By the time I arrived the cops had been called by my parents as well as 2 seperate witnesses.  In the meantime I make a few phone calls and not only get a name, but a phone number and address as well.  I've never heard of this guy, nor has my brother, but come to find out that he is on parole for meth charges and he's likely got a screw loose.  At this point I don't care if he's the fuckin DON himself, I want to have a few words with him.  My brother wants to beat his ass... 3hrs pass and no cops even bother to make a courtesy call back to us.  I leave a short non threatening message on this kids phone letting him know we need to have words.  He calls me back, I tell him him he's getting in over his head, he crossed the line, he's fucked, etc... His tone is defiante at first
5/11/2009 3:43:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Sweet.  I have alot of felony cases that start out like this.  Make sure you have bond money ready with a friend or relative!
5/11/2009 3:51:47 PM EDT
[#3]
He quickly becomes apologetic and admits to the vandalism.  I'm trying to be as calm and reasonable as possible.  I let him know that he has possibly but his own loved ones in danger by coming to my parent's home with a baseball bat.  I made no direct threats, but made sure he knew that he was lucky I wasn't there because "I don't play with bats".  He knows he made a BIG mistake and is desperately trying to offer money to fix the car.  I drop the tough guy attitude and start to think about how I would like to see this end.  I know that a police report will likely put this kid back in prison for a decent amount of time.  I also know that he's a drug dealer and can't be trusted.  I want him to pay one way or another, but I don't care to give him a reason to come back all cracked out and angry.  I also don't want to see this escalate into a situation that could get me into trouble.  We've had a couple days to think about it and I'm still at a loss.  If I thought he could get $2500 to pay for the damage then..
5/11/2009 3:54:30 PM EDT
[#4]
OH TAG!
5/11/2009 4:04:47 PM EDT
[#5]
I would be more inclined to have him pay up and not file a report.  This kid belongs behind bars but I don't want to have to worry about him getting out and coming back for more.  I also don't really want his dirty money either.  Our lawyer's advice is to forget the money and press charges.  My brother just want's to get him one on one and pound his crack smokin ass into the pavement.  My main concern is for the safety of my family.  It something happened to them... it would not end well for anyone.  Our two main options now are to work out a way for him to pay $$$, or file a police report and possibly put him back ihn a 5x7 for a little while... Like I said, I'm at a loss at the moment and guess I could use some advice...
5/11/2009 5:38:22 PM EDT
[#6]
Document
Police
Document
More police
Maybe some TRO
Document some more
And do not be the aggressor in any way. Although that appears to have already happened to some degree.
An attorney might be helpful to solve the civil case for damages down the road. But it looks like your dealing with a turnip and we all know they have thin wallets.

Playing I'm the badass or hardass never ends well for anyone.  Put the guns away and pick up the phone and camera.
5/11/2009 5:39:09 PM EDT
[#7]
Well I would file a report no matter what. I'm sure Duke may chime in here, but if you don't file one, your at the mercy of if this fine upstanding guy to be on his honor system to pay. You think that's gonna happen?
5/11/2009 5:55:58 PM EDT
[#8]
Wow way to post this here. Now if you do something to little meth head there is a good argument that it was preplanned. If he's dealing drugs he can probably come up with the money. Meth salesman tend to have a fair amount of cash on them at all times. Last one I arrested had $2600 in his pocket.

Duke-Nukem is right, your tune in the first few post sounds like the start of a first degree assault or more.
5/11/2009 6:09:18 PM EDT
[#9]
Yeah... I was pretty irate when I first talked to him.  Wasn't really trying to be a hard ass, just letting him know how I felt at the time.  Our conversation actually ended up being very civil.  He actually thanked me for talking with him.  Do I think he felt bad for what he did?... no way.  A meth dealer in his position is gonna say whatever he can to save his hide.  We both agreed that this could be handled like adults without further escalating things.  Either way, the decision to file a report is not completely up to me but I definitely have a say in the matter.  Everything has been carefully documented, photographed, recorded, etc.  The money is no big deal, I just shutter to think how it may have played out had my parents been home at the time.  They don't exactly have the tools to confront a bat wielding meth head.
5/11/2009 6:23:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Please don't get the wrong idea... I'm not looking for revenge or out to get anyone.  I feel like I've almost ended up in the position of moderator here.  Part of me wants to give the guy a chance to pay for it, the other part wants to wipe my hands of this and let the law handle it.  NO part of me wants this to end with violence, or more drama.  If I was worried that I might fly off the handle and do something stupid, I wouldn't have opened it up for public discussion.  My concern is the unpredictability of the perp, and what he might try to do if he feels my parents or brother are to blame for his vacation to jail.
5/11/2009 6:28:05 PM EDT
[#11]
You typed all that on your phone? Dang...man

Seriously, I know Sixer, he's a good guy that was probably overwhelmed by anger/fear(alpha male syndrome) Now that you have had time to cool down, I'd start the civil/legal process.

NEVER start the fight. Always let it come to you, and being this guys all geekd out on meth, that could be anytime. Stay on your toes.