Posted: 2/22/2009 7:14:33 AM EDT
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For the children...
I promised my step daughter and her husband I would pay for their CCW classes as soon as they were both 23. This happens in May so I was looking up info and found an option not available when I got my license. Apparently missourians can get a Utah license, it is cheaper and valid for 5 years instead of just 3. So, does anyone know any good (cheap would be nice too) instructors in the St. Louis area for this? Also, is their anything special I need to know about these Utah licenses? |
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For the children... I promised my step daughter and her husband I would pay for their CCW classes as soon as they were both 23. This happens in May so I was looking up info and found an option not available when I got my license. Apparently missourians can get a Utah license, it is cheaper and valid for 5 years instead of just 3. So, does anyone know any good (cheap would be nice too) instructors in the St. Louis area for this? Also, is their anything special I need to know about these Utah licenses? Consider Florida too, Gary. Their license is valid for 7 years now. |
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I have considered the Mo/Fl/Ut costs and where they are accepted but these young'uns rarely leave the state, I think Dan has only been to Mo. Il. and Ar. Not exactly world travelers.
However the Fl permit does sound very interesting, especially since my Fl. permit is up for renewal in Nov. Thanks for all the help so far but still, if anyone else has any info please let me know, the more I know the better decision I can make. |
Use it or lose applies here. The big selling point on the Missouri CCW is that it lets the local elected officials know how many of Missouri's population support concealed carry. If there are only three CCW permits issued in Missouri, concealed carry will abolished. However, the law will remain untouched if 95% of the residents have Missouri CCW permits. The only reason anyone should consider an out of state CCW permit is if they are under 23 years old and can not acquire a Missouri CCW permit but as soon as one turns of legal age they should acquire the Missouri CCW permit. 
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| As far as instructors in the St. Louis area I recommend John Ross. |
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So, does anyone know any good (cheap would be nice too) instructors in the St. Louis area for this? Also, is their anything special I need to know about these Utah licenses? I don't know about cheap, but I took my MO class from John Ross. He is also a UT instructor and the same class meets the requirements for that state (and I think I got a Maine certificate from that one, too). I want to say his class was around $100. One perk is that you get to do the "practical" portion at his personal gravel quarry. He brings out a pile of guns and ammo, feeds you lunch, autographs his book for you (should be required reading), and brings a bunch of machine guns to play with too. I have had a UT permit since I turned 21 (and lived in UT at the time). I didn't get a MO permit as long as I lived in STL County. My feeling is that since they actively spent my tax money to fight the CCW law, I was not going to be giving them any additional revenue getting a permit in that county. As soon as I moved out of STL Co., I did apply for a MO permit. As noted, KS doesn't honor a UT permit for a non-UT resident. It might not be as big of a deal in the STL area, but it comes in handy for me, now that I live near KC. |
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I got my Utah permit through Pack 'N Heat, LLC at Top Gun in Imperial. The instructor is a relative of a guy I work with, and he was one of the original activists getting CCW going in this state. Very interesting to here the background and corruption of this state and the Carnahans.
I would have liked to take the John Ross course, but I couldn't do the two part course. I wanted to get it done in one day. The MO Hunter's Safety course will work for Florida, but if your step-daughter knows nothing about handguns or the law on CCW, you should probably send her to the CCW class vs. a class about hunter's safety. Florida is a lot more expensive than Utah, and only gives you 2 extra years. Either are a hell of a lot cheaper and easier than MO. I think it was about $100, then another $65 for the UT permit (which is good for five years.) The only downside for the Utah is the wait and a few states you cannot carry it. It will take 60-90 days to show up in the mail since they are so backlogged. And, the states that say you can only carry in their state if you have their permit OR a permit of your state of residence, are off limits (e.g. Florida, Kansas, etc.) All you need to renew w/ Utah, is just send the renewal form and $10!!!! |
| While the hunters ed class doesn't cover legal issues for ccw anybody who knows how to read can research the laws pertaining to ccw..Your ccw instructor is bound by law not to give legal advice to you anyway..The 100 you save on the class can provide for an upgrade in equipment..Still think in your situation Florida with the hunter's ed certification is the way to go. |
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I heard that Florida is beginning to reject MO hunter ed credentials in the forms of your Heritage card. They want to see a certificate or something that proves you have taken and passed the hunter ed class. AFAIK, MODC did not issue certificate of completion for their hunter ed graduates. They simply give you the heritage card with your info entered in MDC database.
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