Posted: 1/15/2009 2:10:32 PM EDT
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Hello fellow Missourians!
This is my first post here and I just wanted to say this is a great website. Anyway, I have a question for you guys/gals. I already posted this in the General Class 3 Forum but I am unsure how much traffic goes through there. Anyway, here it goes: I am in LE and need a SBR for duty work. What would be faster and easier? Converting a lower to a SBR and building the rifle myself or buying a complete rifle that is already a SBR? I can do either option. The only reason I thought building it would be faster was due to the limited availabilty of lowers after the election. I already have my C&R FFL in hand. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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BECAUSE you listed your reason as a duty gun .. I would suggest getting a factory complete SBR for liability reasons.
IF for personal fun .. just F1 a gun yourself and make an SBR. Time wise .. You'll have to find your factory gun and get it transferred to a local SOT (10 days to 8 weeks) and then F4 it over to you (90 days). If you F1 the gun yourself .. fill out the papers on something you already own and wait (90 days). |
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I am in LE and need a SBR for duty work. What would be faster and easier? Converting a lower to a SBR and building the rifle myself or buying a complete rifle that is already a SBR? Just a thought, if this is a duty firearm, the quickest way would be to have the department buy it and have it transferred to them. No waiting on background checks, and it can transfer directly to the dept. from out of state with a tax-free Form 5. Of course, you would need to set it up with the Dept. to have them issue it to you, and technically it belongs to the dept. It's not unheard of for police officers to buy a dept. firearm with personal funds. If they decided some time down the road to transfer it directly to you, you can do that too. But in that instance, you wouldn't be waiting, as it is issued to you so you still have possession until it is transferred (in which case, you still have possession). |
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I am in LE and need a SBR for duty work. What would be faster and easier? Converting a lower to a SBR and building the rifle myself or buying a complete rifle that is already a SBR? Just a thought, if this is a duty firearm, the quickest way would be to have the department buy it and have it transferred to them. No waiting on background checks, and it can transfer directly to the dept. from out of state with a tax-free Form 5. Of course, you would need to set it up with the Dept. to have them issue it to you, and technically it belongs to the dept. It's not unheard of for police officers to buy a dept. firearm with personal funds. If they decided some time down the road to transfer it directly to you, you can do that too. But in that instance, you wouldn't be waiting, as it is issued to you so you still have possession until it is transferred (in which case, you still have possession). and its not unheard of for departments to demand "their" property back. This happened in Jackson County with a friend of my dad's years ago. He bought 2 M16's on dept letterhead. The guns transferred in .. he had em .. he retired and the then sheriff called him and told him to bring back the county property. They got into a pissing match over the deal and the sheriff acknowledged that the guy paid for em and said "tough shit they are legally mine" and would not sign the transfer papers so that the guy could keep em! 
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and its not unheard of for departments to demand "their" property back. This happened in Jackson County with a friend of my dad's years ago. He bought 2 M16's on dept letterhead. The guns transferred in .. he had em .. he retired and the then sheriff called him and told him to bring back the county property. They got into a pissing match over the deal and the sheriff acknowledged that the guy paid for em and said "tough shit they are legally mine" and would not sign the transfer papers so that the guy could keep em!
Yes - that is something to consider. But in your friend's case, were the guns transferable, or were they post-'86 guns? If they were posties, your friend couldn't legally have them once he retired anyway. Of course, a written contract should take care of that if necessary. Just a thought. Also, I know a retired LEO who bought a post-86 Uzi through the dept. He had it and played with it while on the force, and had to give it up when he retired. Of course, he knew that going into the deal, so maybe that wasn't exactly the same. |
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I am in LE and need a SBR for duty work. What would be faster and easier? Converting a lower to a SBR and building the rifle myself or buying a complete rifle that is already a SBR? Just a thought, if this is a duty firearm, the quickest way would be to have the department buy it and have it transferred to them. No waiting on background checks, and it can transfer directly to the dept. from out of state with a tax-free Form 5. Of course, you would need to set it up with the Dept. to have them issue it to you, and technically it belongs to the dept. It's not unheard of for police officers to buy a dept. firearm with personal funds. IF going this route .. why not just get an M16? |
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My department allows me to carry a patrol rifle if certain requirements are met. You are allowed to provide your own rifle for use in the department if the weapon meets the departmental requirements. For a patrol rifle, I would like to use a SBR. I will still "Own" the SBR. It is not a department rifle. It is a personal rifle that the department allows me to use for work. If that makes sense.
But from your post it sounds like to F1 a lower I already own takes only 90 days. That is alot faster than 8 weeks |
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My department allows me to carry a patrol rifle if certain requirements are met. You are allowed to provide your own rifle for use in the department if the weapon meets the departmental requirements. For a patrol rifle, I would like to use a SBR. I will still "Own" the SBR. It is not a department rifle. It is a personal rifle that the department allows me to use for work. If that makes sense. But from your post it sounds like to F1 a lower I already own takes only 90 days. That is alot faster than 8 weeks It may be faster .. but I would still recommend you get a factory SBR for duty use. If you have to whack Joe Dirtbag and all the media/prosecutor/lib nutjobs could go nuts about carrying a gun you made and hold you somehow responsible. Duty guns need to be factory, un-modified and loaded with factory ammo! Since you are here in MO .. why not kindly talk to the guys at CMMG and see if you can purchase an SBR direct from them? Or from Denny Foutch from Global Tactical? |
| I went the F4 route just before the ATF started getting on to dealers for selling just a stripped "SBR'd lower" and got it from a local manufacturer so I was able to forgo the engraving as it was sold as a registered SBR lower. I would go that route again on a F1 if I were to do a second SBR'd AR just because I have spare lowers in hand. Current availability is hit or miss and when/if you can get a new lower its gotten costly(all mine were $99 or less). I would recommend getting a built upper if you can, unless you or someone you know has the experience to do it. For a duty rifle, what are the specific requirements ? ? I would think there would be some... I guess the other route, would be to buy the complete weapon and try to find a manufacturer that gives LEO discounts. I know of 1 in-state that does and really likes to take care of any LEO needs... |
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Do you have a phone number or website for them? My e-mail is [email protected] On factory guns we would have to place an order and get them shipped in after the form 3 is approved. The problem will be finding a factory gun available unless we can find a dealer that has one in stock. Take a look at the CMMG 10" or 14" SBR and RRA 10" SBR. We can get one on order but it may take weeks to months to get one built with the current demand. I have a LWRC 10" M6A2 coming in for another customer which should be here next month. I could get another one in but they are well over $2K. |