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12/13/2007 2:55:15 PM EDT
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News-leader Story

12/13/2007 3:25:28 PM EDT
[#1]
So a Gun-broker purchased the gun (full auto) from the Police station, while it was still being held.....as evidence or what????

Was the major allowed to own a fully automatic firearm??

That dude probably just took it as a retirement present to himself.


Although I know when my grandfather retired from the KCMO dep., he got a couple of goodies from thier holding room. But I think that was allowed back then.

12/13/2007 5:31:36 PM EDT
[#2]
I know (Major)Steve Ijames and he is a stand up guy. Can't imagine anything underhanded or not on the up & up on his part. Got to figure these auditors have no clue what it takes to transfer full auto weapons.

Rick
SGF, Mo.
12/13/2007 6:23:54 PM EDT
[#3]
I've known him for awhile and I'm sure it is on the up-and-up.  Probably ended up saving a collector's item from being destroyed.  

Jeff
12/13/2007 8:28:40 PM EDT
[#4]
OK.............I find it hard to believe that denizens of this board would jump to the conclusion that just because it said "automatic weapon" in a newspaper story means a real full auto.  
Could be a 10/22 or a 1911 or an A-5 or an M1 carbine or an SP-1, get it?
It is very likely that the 'suspect' in the DV case needed to divest himself of the item just because of his being arrested in a DV case.
I saw some of that when I part timed it and hung out a lot in a gun shop.
So the weapon might not have been evidence, just picked up because of the DV situation.
I am not a lawyer nor did I sleep at a holiday inn express.
I did go to Mizzou journalism school for a while.
Some of my classmates were Fred and Barney and Wilma and Betty.
I didn't learn much but I am extra sensitive to what a story does and does not say.
12/13/2007 8:41:40 PM EDT
[#5]
"Ijames, a gun collector, said a gun broker purchased the weapon from the suspect while it was in police custody. The broker then sold it to Ijames, he said."

Soooo, the defendant sells his weapon, potential evidence, while "it was in police custody"?  WTF?  

Something smells fishy.
12/13/2007 8:50:00 PM EDT
[#6]
If one has been arrested for Domestic Violence he can no longer be in possesion of his firearms.
The officer may have picked it up for that reason even if it was not evidence as such.
Its old news now but I saw that kind of thing happen a few times when I spent too much time in a certain gun shop.
Somebody would get in trouble DV-wise and his guns would be brought in and put on consignment just so they would no longer be at the accused's place.
12/14/2007 5:16:47 AM EDT
[#7]
I know of an MP40, M60 and AK (all transferable), that sold for $1 each in order to save them from certain doom.  All after a drug charge.  They were sold to his family member though, not me.  

Jeff
12/14/2007 6:47:15 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
"Ijames, a gun collector, said a gun broker purchased the weapon from the suspect while it was in police custody. The broker then sold it to Ijames, he said."

Soooo, the defendant sells his weapon, potential evidence, while "it was in police custody"?  WTF?  

Something smells fishy.


I know and have done business with Steve Ijames. He is a stand up guy and one of the few NFA collecting police officers I know.

The NFA weapon (automatic weapon = machinegun) could no longer be possessed by it's owner. It was transferred to a Class 3 dealer who then transferred it to Steve Ijames.


"the report said. "However, documentation of payment for the weapon was not provided by the department Major."


This is none of the department's business! The only thing they need to know is that the new owner has the BATFE approved form 3 or 4 to legally possess and remove it from police custody.

This is nothing more than a bunch of idiots who don't know JS about NFA laws trying to enforce stupid on the masses.
12/14/2007 8:42:10 AM EDT
[#9]
This was also stated in the article too.


In a response to the audit's critique, the city noted : "The records were in place to document the release of the weapon mentioned in the report."


So, I'm not sure exactly what the auditors are getting at here. After the PD released the firearm to the dealer, and it was properly documented, according to the news article. It's of no concern from that point on to the city, PD, the Chief or any other city official on how that dealer disposed of the weapon as long as it was done according to all laws. No doubt there are a lot of unanswered questions about Springfield's finances, where and how the city's(our) money is spent. IMHO, in this particular instance, I honestly think this is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Rick
SGF, Mo.