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9/6/2007 7:29:20 PM EDT
Guys,
I got into a conversation with a coworker today about where federal law prohibits a CCW holder from carrying a gun.

Can anyone tell me where I can find information on exactly where Federal law prohibits carrying guns?

I've found a little info on the NRA-ILA's web site. So far I've only been able to find elementry and secondary schools, Air planes, National parks.

I was thinking there was laws against going into federal buildings as well.

I've not found anything regarding hospitals or banks.

I realize we have state laws that address certain places, however if memory serves, it's not a criminal offense (unless you are asked to leave and don't).

I cannot believe this information is this hard to find ...

Thanks for whatever help you guys can provide.
9/7/2007 5:38:10 AM EDT
[#1]

Quoted:
Guys,
I got into a conversation with a coworker today about where federal law prohibits a CCW holder from carrying a gun.

Can anyone tell me where I can find information on exactly where Federal law prohibits carrying guns?

I've found a little info on the NRA-ILA's web site. So far I've only been able to find elementry and secondary schools, Air planes, National parks.

I was thinking there was laws against going into federal buildings as well.

I've not found anything regarding hospitals or banks.

I realize we have state laws that address certain places, however if memory serves, it's not a criminal offense (unless you are asked to leave and don't).

I cannot believe this information is this hard to find ...

Thanks for whatever help you guys can provide.


You are correct.  There are few to no Federal statutory prohibitions for at least some locations, but the relevant agencies use the CFR's (Code of Federal Regulations) to prohibit weapons in Federal buildings and on Federal property.  Most of these CFR brand prohibitions will get you at least an appearance in front of a Federal Magistrate, your weapon confiscated, etc.  The buildings/property is (usually) required by the CFR to be 'posted' regarding the prohibition, but there are no specific requirements about how this is to be done.  So, there is no standard format.  I have seen the relevant page of the CFR copied and stuck in a little holder on the wall inside a building door 'meet the requirement', according to one Federal District Court.  

Many things hinge on what agency owns/controls/protects the building in question, whether or not the jurisdiction for that property is exclusive, concurrent, or proprietary, etc.  

In short, it's a mish-mash of laws and rules, and generally, the best rule is, if it's Federal, you can't carry anything but a small pocketknife, if that.  (Don't even try the pocket knife in a Federal Courthouse).  If you are authorized to carry weapons, they will already have told you so.

I'll add this:  IANAL, but those who are, even if they are intimately familiar with the relevant Federal statutes (Title 18 and 40, for starters) and the CFR's, would probably start out by asking you what agency, what building, the jurisdiction involved, etc.  Also, the Patriot Act has some additional restrictions, probably, but I am not at all familiar with them.
9/7/2007 8:10:42 AM EDT
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This is the long version of the sign that sits on the outside of my cubicle:


18 USC Sec. 930
01/26/98

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 44 - FIREARMS

HEADING

Sec. 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

STATUTE

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(c) A person who kills or attempts to kill any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, and 1113.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -

(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;

(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

(e)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(e)(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).

(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.

(g) As used in this section:

(1) The term ''Federal facility'' means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.

(2) The term ''dangerous weapon'' means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 2 1/2 inches in length.

(3) The term ''Federal court facility'' means the courtroom, judges' chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.

(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.


I wonder if my co-workers are trying to tell me something?