Posted: 8/15/2004 8:07:09 AM EDT
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OK so heres the idea......up until now we have had COF's that were not only posted before the shoot, but when we got to the shoot we did a walk through (and still do every shoot) as well!!! I propose, that who ever shows up early to the next shoot work with Jeff and John on setting it up. The people who set it up will run it first, then when everyone else shows up, its run cold! No walk through, no seeing it even!!! Just get your weapon ready and GO!!!! I really think it would be interesting to be completely surprised by the course!!! What do you all think!? |
| good idea. BUT ITS TO DANGEROUS! to much of a chance of some one sweeping some one lack of muzzle control. i know in real life we wont have before hand knowledge, this is different. i really don't thank the walk thru is that much of advantage. it is a safety issue. Bud you going be at the next shoot. Ronald |
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Actually the new course has three sides to it. I t really makes the COF's a lot more flexible,realistic, and safe to set up in my opinion. Obviously we dont want people wheeling around recklessly! We'll just have to re-emphasize all the safety issues, and re-emphasise the 4 rules of gun safety, and I think we'd be OK!!! I think safety is on everyones mind. Mine especially! Remember this is a COF, not a real world situation (thank freakin gob), everyone going through the COF needs to be safe, calm, and aware!!!With that I think everything will be OK! Jeff and John, you all need to sound out on this idea!! What do you think? Oh...and just spice it up even more, pasters could also move all the targets around every shooter so NO ONE has the same engagements!!! |
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This idea definitely has merits. As for the dangers of shooting a course cold just make sure everyone knows anything, I mean anything behind them is a no shoot and if they miss it when they went past then that is too bad. BTW, I have been going over a few ideas for pop up targets. Fairly simple to work I believe. Simple hit the first target in a series, when it falls another target (near or far away) will be released and raise up. Metalman, will need help with the triggering (knock down) target since it has to survive repeated hits and has to be on a knock down type frame. Interested?? Let me know. |
Find a couple of these things that I can look at. Not quite sure what you mean! I am a visual person so if you can shoot me a picture or a link it would help!! I'll give it a shot if I have the time and materials!! |
Metalman, I was going to IM you a long drawn out description but I tell ya what, I will just make a prototype and email you a picture of it. Hopefully I will have it done by the end of the week. Oh, the dropping target is only needed to provide a mechanical input to release the (also mechanical) mechanism that lets the target rise. It could be triggered by hand if needed. (i.e. yank string, target lifts) |
Agreed. Shooters who participate in this shoot have varying gun handling skills/experience, esp. in this type of shooting match, i.e. not every weekend we can do a shoot-while-you-move kind of scenario like this. So even those of us who have put tens of thousands of rounds down range are not necessarily adept to this type of shooting environment. I certainly feel that I am not up to running a COF like this w/o proper walk-through instruction .... just for safety sake. Oz |
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A person I know has shot IDPA COfs and said they would change the targets in limited places. Not the ones out in the open. At the IDPA shoot they changed the targets in the kill house from either left or right, and also on the exit at the back. What would work really well is to have the current range at CMMG is to keep the "kill house" in the far right corner, maybe build up more walls, and allow for some change there. Another idea, check this out Metalman, make "no-shoot" targets so that they can be moved by hanging them on a "shoot' target. Kind of like a cover, so the no-shoots will actually move. Another good idea (not to highjack the thread) is for somebody to post "how to" create a COF in a basic program, so we can get some posted for CMMG. The more ideas we have the easier it is to put together. I believe it is sharpshooter.com that has a great library. The also have a set up scenario, which I would like to use also. (Metalman, Rstienb, Don be thinking about another build night in the next few weeks)  |
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Oz, Ronald, kpel308, I think your redicence is valid. This is just a suggestion. You really need to get out to the range to see the new setup. It is an enclosed space, probably 100'x100' with berms on three sides, like an enclosed room. If the COF is designed with that open end in mind we can get the shots in the right place for each shooter. I think that the standard safety issues do not change here. In fact, I think we gain some added safety by not having open sides to the course like we did in the valley, that was always a bit sketchy! In all practicality we can have the second run be a 'blind' shoot for more advanced members if thats what needs to be done. Again I will say that if we follow safety protocol, and inform everyone of what to do and not to do, we should have each member in a very cool COF with surprises around every corner!! I think experience means nothing here. We are all very safe. And I think that for a 'cold' run we just need to have a staging area (like we do already, just have the next person on deck being 'breifed' as someone is running the course) for each member before he/she shoots to run over saftey right before you shoot. Remember there still will be a RO, so he/she will be in control of each shooter!!! Those of you who have seen the new space, do you agree or disagree? Is the idea of a 'blind'/'cold' shoot seem unsafe, and how? In the end, I think the safety issues can be resolved by the design of the COF. If all target remain in the downrange position, all shooters will be informed that there will be no going back to get a target missed, and there will be no sweeping back towards the open end, we should be fine! Oh....BTW....congrats to CMMG for getting mentioned in the latest issue of S.W.A.T. magazine in the article about rebuilding AR mags!! |