Posted: 1/11/2008 10:56:46 AM EDT
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I heard two gun bills were introduced this session (I'll get numbers and text when I can) dealing with: 1. Requiring employers to allow their employees to keep firearms in their cars in company lots. (CoC opposes this bill) 2. Overturning firearms carry bans on state owned university campuses for those with LTC's. |
Too bad the Federal goverment won't that happen if you work for them. "Funny", they had to go with the state on the time zone change. The second one needs to happen too. |
Ok, I've ruminated on it a bit. I've also ruminated on a few beers. Well, not so much ruminated as just drank them. Anyway, I can find no good reason for the government telling private property owners what they can do with their property, or what they have to allow others to do on their own property. While it seems like a good thing, and it may benefit one right, it would certainly infringe on another. I think this would be bad legislation. |
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What about my rights being trampled??? If I do harm with a firearm there are numerous laws to throw at me and lock me up. I understand private property etc.... but with the way the world is my employer and the rental cops cant protect me so I should be able too. I am also vulnerable on my 32 mile drive to and from work because they say no weapons. But my idiotic employer once stated that they didnt even have to provide parking for their employees.  |
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SENATE BILL No. 158 _____ DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL Citations Affected: IC 35-47-11.5. Synopsis: Possession of firearms at state universities. Prohibits a state college or university from regulating in any manner the ownership, possession, sale, transfer, or transportation of firearms or ammunition. Effective: July 1, 2008. Nugent January 8, 2008, read first time and referred to Committee on Corrections, Criminal, and Civil Matters. Introduced Second Regular Session 115th General Assembly (2008) PRINTING CODE. Amendments: Whenever an existing statute (or a section of the Indiana Constitution) is being amended, the text of the existing provision will appear in this style type, additions will appear in this style type, and deletions will appear in this style type. Additions: Whenever a new statutory provision is being enacted (or a new constitutional provision adopted), the text of the new provision will appear in this style type. Also, the word NEW will appear in that style type in the introductory clause of each SECTION that adds a new provision to the Indiana Code or the Indiana Constitution. Conflict reconciliation: Text in a statute in this style type or this style type reconciles conflicts between statutes enacted by the 2007 Regular Session of the General Assembly. SENATE BILL No. 158 A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning criminal law and procedure. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: SOURCE: IC 35-47-11.5; (08)IN0158.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 35-47-11.5 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW CHAPTER TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Chapter 11.5. Regulation of Firearms by State Universities and Colleges Sec. 1. A state educational institution may not regulate in any manner the ownership, possession, sale, transfer, or transportation of firearms or ammunition. |
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SENATE BILL No. 66 _____ DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL Citations Affected: IC 34-6-2; IC 34-28-7. Synopsis: Firearms in locked vehicles. Prohibits a person from adopting or enforcing a policy or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting an individual from legally possessing a firearm that is locked in the individual's vehicle while the vehicle is in or on the person's property. Excepts possession of a firearm: (1) on school property or a school bus; (2) on certain child care and shelter facility property; (3) on penal facility property; and (4) in violation of federal law. Provides that a person who, in compliance with the prohibition, does not adopt or enforce such a policy or rule is not liable for resulting injury or damage. Authorizes a civil action for damages, costs, attorney's fees, and injunctive relief to remedy a violation. Effective: July 1, 2008. Nugent January 8, 2008, read first time and referred to Committee on Judiciary. Introduced Second Regular Session 115th General Assembly (2008) PRINTING CODE. Amendments: Whenever an existing statute (or a section of the Indiana Constitution) is being amended, the text of the existing provision will appear in this style type, additions will appear in this style type, and deletions will appear in this style type. Additions: Whenever a new statutory provision is being enacted (or a new constitutional provision adopted), the text of the new provision will appear in this style type. Also, the word NEW will appear in that style type in the introductory clause of each SECTION that adds a new provision to the Indiana Code or the Indiana Constitution. Conflict reconciliation: Text in a statute in this style type or this style type reconciles conflicts between statutes enacted by the 2007 Regular Session of the General Assembly. SENATE BILL No. 66 A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning commercial Law. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: SOURCE: IC 34-6-2-46.7; (08)IN0066.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 34-6-2-46.7 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 46.7. "Firearm", for purposes of IC 34-28-7 and IC 34-30-20, has the meaning set forth in IC 35-47-1-5. SOURCE: IC 34-6-2-103; (08)IN0066.1.2. --> SECTION 2. IC 34-6-2-103 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 103. (a) "Person", for purposes of IC 34-14, has the meaning set forth in IC 34-14-1-13. (b) "Person", for purposes of IC 34-24-4 and IC 34-28-7, means: (1) an individual; (2) a governmental entity; (3) a corporation; (4) a firm; (5) a trust; (6) a partnership; or (7) an incorporated or unincorporated association that exists under or is authorized by the laws of this state, another state, or a foreign country. (c) "Person", for purposes of section 44.8 of this chapter, means an adult or a minor. (d) "Person", for purposes of IC 34-26-4, has the meaning set forth in IC 35-41-1-22. (e) "Person", for purposes of IC 34-30-5, means any of the following: (1) An individual. (2) A corporation. (3) A partnership. (4) An unincorporated association. (5) The state (as defined in IC 34-6-2-140). (6) A political subdivision (as defined in IC 34-6-2-110). (7) Any other entity recognized by law. (f) "Person", for purposes of IC 34-30-6, means an individual, a corporation, a limited liability company, a partnership, an unincorporated association, or a governmental entity that: (1) has qualifications or experience in: (A) storing, transporting, or handling a hazardous substance or compressed gas; (B) fighting fires; (C) emergency rescue; or (D) first aid care; or (2) is otherwise qualified to provide assistance appropriate to remedy or contribute to the remedy of the emergency. (g) "Person", for purposes of IC 34-30-18, includes: (1) an individual; (2) an incorporated or unincorporated organization or association; (3) the state of Indiana; (4) a political subdivision (as defined in IC 36-1-2-13); (5) an agency of the state or a political subdivision; or (6) a group of such persons acting in concert. (h) "Person", for purposes of sections 42, 43, 69, and 95 of this chapter, means an individual, an incorporated or unincorporated organization or association, or a group of such persons acting in concert. (i) "Person", for purposes of IC 34-30-10.5, means the following: (1) A political subdivision (as defined in IC 36-1-2-13). (2) A volunteer fire department (as defined in IC 36-8-12-2). (3) An employee of an entity described in subdivision (1) or (2) who acts within the scope of the employee's responsibilities. (4) A volunteer firefighter (as defined in IC 36-8-12-2) who is acting for a volunteer fire department. (5) After March 31, 2002, A corporation, a limited liability company, a partnership, an unincorporated association, or any other entity recognized by law. SOURCE: IC 34-28-7; (08)IN0066.1.3. --> SECTION 3. IC 34-28-7 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW CHAPTER TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Chapter 7. Possession of Firearms on Certain Property Sec. 1. This chapter applies only to possession of a firearm by an individual who may legally possess a firearm. Sec. 2. (a) Notwithstanding any other law and except as provided in subsection (b), a person may not adopt or enforce a policy or rule that: (1) prohibits; or (2) has the effect of prohibiting; an individual from possessing a firearm that is locked in the individual's vehicle while the vehicle is in or on the person's property. (b) Subsection (a) does not prohibit the adoption or enforcement of a policy or rule that prohibits, or has the effect of prohibiting, an individual from possessing a firearm: (1) on school property or on a school bus in violation of IC 20-33-8-16 or IC 35-47-9-2; (2) on the property of: (A) a child caring institution; (B) an emergency shelter care child caring institution; (C) a private secure facility; (D) a group home; or (E) an emergency shelter care group home; in violation of 465 IAC 2-9-80, 465 IAC 2-10-79, 465 IAC 2-11-80, 465 IAC 2-12-78, or 465 IAC 2-13-77; (3) on the property of a penal facility (as defined in IC 35-41-1-21); or (4) in violation of federal law. Sec. 3. (a) An individual may bring a civil action to enforce section 2 of this chapter. (b) If a person violates section 2 of this chapter, the court, in an action brought under subsection (a), may do the following: (1) Award: (A) actual damages; and (B) court costs and attorney's fees; to the prevailing individual. (2) Enjoin further violations of this chapter. Sec. 4. This chapter does not limit a person's rights or remedies under any other state or federal law. Sec. 5. A person is not liable for any injury or damage resulting from the person's compliance with section 2 of this chapter. |
Yes, the instant gratification response is "Awesome! I can do what I like on someone else's private property!" Of course, the wide lens view is "Oh shit! the government just told me I have to accept what others do on my private property!" Reflect and respond. |
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Here's another dealing with shooting ranges SENATE BILL No. 29 _____ DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL Citations Affected: IC 14-22-31.5-5; IC 36-1-3-8.5. Synopsis: Shooting ranges and discharging a firearm. Prohibits a local unit of government from imposing a minimum lot size on which a shooting range may be located. Prohibits a local unit of government from regulating the lawful discharge of a firearm, except for: (1) the discharge of a firearm on land, in a building, or on other real property owned or administered by a unit, including a highway or a public highway; or (2) using the unit's planning and zoning powers to regulate the discharge of a firearm within 200 feet of a school. Effective: Upon passage. Drozda January 8, 2008, read first time and referred to Committee on Local Government and Elections. Introduced Second Regular Session 115th General Assembly (2008) PRINTING CODE. Amendments: Whenever an existing statute (or a section of the Indiana Constitution) is being amended, the text of the existing provision will appear in this style type, additions will appear in this style type, and deletions will appear in this style type. Additions: Whenever a new statutory provision is being enacted (or a new constitutional provision adopted), the text of the new provision will appear in this style type. Also, the word NEW will appear in that style type in the introductory clause of each SECTION that adds a new provision to the Indiana Code or the Indiana Constitution. Conflict reconciliation: Text in a statute in this style type or this style type reconciles conflicts between statutes enacted by the 2007 Regular Session of the General Assembly. SENATE BILL No. 29 A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning local government. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: SOURCE: IC 14-22-31.5-5; (08)IN0029.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 14-22-31.5-5 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 5. (a) Except as specifically prohibited by this chapter, a local unit of government may regulate the location, use, operation, safety, and construction of a shooting range. (b) A local unit of government may not impose a minimum lot size on which a shooting range may be located. SOURCE: IC 36-1-3-8.5; (08)IN0029.1.2. --> SECTION 2. IC 36-1-3-8.5 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 8.5. (a) This section does not apply to the local regulation of a shooting range under IC 14-22-31.5. (b) Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, a unit may not regulate in any manner the lawful discharge of a firearm (as defined in IC 35-47-1-5), except as follows: (1) A unit may regulate the discharge of a firearm: (A) on land; (B) in a building; or (C) on other real property; owned or administered by a unit, including a highway, street, or road (as defined in IC 8-23-1-23) or a public highway (as defined in IC 8-2.1-17-14). (2) A unit may use the unit's planning and zoning powers under IC 36-7-4 to restrict or prohibit the discharge of a firearm within two hundred (200) feet of a school. SOURCE: ; (08)IN0029.1.3. --> SECTION 3. An emergency is declared for this act. |
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An anti-confiscation bill HOUSE BILL No. 1043 _____ DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL Citations Affected: IC 10-14-3; IC 35-47-11. Synopsis: Regulation of firearms during an emergency. Prohibits the state, a political subdivision, or any other person from prohibiting or restricting the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transportation, storage, display, or use of firearms or ammunition during a declared disaster emergency, energy emergency, or local disaster emergency. Repeals provisions that allow certain political subdivisions to adopt emergency ordinances to regulate firearms if a local disaster emergency has been declared. Effective: July 1, 2008. Koch, Cheatham January 8, 2008, read first time and referred to Committee on Interstate and International Cooperation. Introduced Second Regular Session 115th General Assembly (2008) PRINTING CODE. Amendments: Whenever an existing statute (or a section of the Indiana Constitution) is being amended, the text of the existing provision will appear in this style type, additions will appear in this style type, and deletions will appear in this style type. Additions: Whenever a new statutory provision is being enacted (or a new constitutional provision adopted), the text of the new provision will appear in this style type. Also, the word NEW will appear in that style type in the introductory clause of each SECTION that adds a new provision to the Indiana Code or the Indiana Constitution. Conflict reconciliation: Text in a statute in this style type or this style type reconciles conflicts between statutes enacted by the 2007 Regular Session of the General Assembly. HOUSE BILL No. 1043 A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning public safety. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: SOURCE: IC 10-14-3-12; (08)IN1043.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 10-14-3-12 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 12. (a) The governor shall declare a disaster emergency by executive order or proclamation if the governor determines that a disaster has occurred or that the occurrence or the threat of a disaster is imminent. The state of disaster emergency continues until the governor: (1) determines that the threat or danger has passed or the disaster has been dealt with to the extent that emergency conditions no longer exist; and (2) terminates the state of disaster emergency by executive order or proclamation. A state of disaster emergency may not continue for longer than thirty (30) days unless the state of disaster emergency is renewed by the governor. The general assembly, by concurrent resolution, may terminate a state of disaster emergency at any time. If the general assembly terminates a state of disaster emergency under this subsection, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation ending the state of disaster emergency. All executive orders or proclamations issued under this subsection must indicate the nature of the disaster, the area or areas threatened, and the conditions which have brought the disaster about or that make possible termination of the state of disaster emergency. An executive order or proclamation under this subsection shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring the order's or proclamation's contents to the attention of the general public. Unless the circumstances attendant upon the disaster prevent or impede, an executive order or proclamation shall be promptly filed with the secretary of state and with the clerk of the city or town affected or with the clerk of the circuit court. (b) An executive order or proclamation of a state of disaster emergency: (1) activates the disaster response and recovery aspects of the state, local, and interjurisdictional disaster emergency plans applicable to the affected political subdivision or area; and (2) is authority for: (A) deployment and use of any forces to which the plan or plans apply; and (B) use or distribution of any supplies, equipment, materials, and facilities assembled, stockpiled, or arranged to be made available under this chapter or under any other law relating to disaster emergencies. (c) During the continuance of any state of disaster emergency, the governor is commander-in-chief of the organized and unorganized militia and of all other forces available for emergency duty. To the greatest extent practicable, the governor shall delegate or assign command authority by prior arrangement embodied in appropriate executive orders or regulations. This section does not restrict the governor's authority to delegate or assign command authority by orders issued at the time of the disaster emergency. (d) In addition to the governor's other powers, the governor may do the following while the state of emergency exists: (1) Suspend the provisions of any regulatory statute prescribing the procedures for conduct of state business, or the orders, rules, or regulations of any state agency if strict compliance with any of these provisions would in any way prevent, hinder, or delay necessary action in coping with the emergency. (2) Use all available resources of the state government and of each political subdivision of the state reasonably necessary to cope with the disaster emergency. (3) Transfer the direction, personnel, or functions of state departments and agencies or units for performing or facilitating emergency services. (4) Subject to any applicable requirements for compensation under section 31 of this chapter, commandeer or use any private property if the governor finds this action necessary to cope with the disaster emergency. (5) Assist in the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area in Indiana if the governor considers this action necessary for the preservation of life or other disaster mitigation, response, or recovery. (6) Prescribe routes, modes of transportation, and destinations in connection with evacuation. (7) Control ingress to and egress from a disaster area, the movement of persons within the area, and the occupancy of premises in the area. (8) Suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles. (9) Make provision for the availability and use of temporary emergency housing. (10) Allow persons who hold a license to practice medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, nursing, engineering, and similar other professions as may be specified by the governor to practice their respective profession in Indiana during the period of the state of emergency if the state in which a person's license was issued has a mutual aid compact for emergency management with Indiana. (11) Give specific authority to allocate drugs, foodstuffs, and other essential materials and services. SOURCE: IC 10-14-3-33.5; (08)IN1043.1.2. --> SECTION 2. IC 10-14-3-33.5 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 33.5. The state, a political subdivision, or any other person may not prohibit or restrict the lawful possession, transfer, sale, transportation, storage, display, or use of firearms or ammunition during: (1) a disaster emergency; (2) an energy emergency; or (3) a local disaster emergency; declared under this chapter. SOURCE: IC 35-47-11-1; (08)IN1043.1.3. --> SECTION 3. IC 35-47-11-1 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 1. (a) Section 2 of This chapter applies to all units (as defined in IC 36-1-2-23). All other sections of this chapter apply to all units other than townships. (b) This chapter applies only if a statute expressly grants a legislative body the authority to adopt an emergency ordinance under this chapter. (c) (b) This chapter does not affect the validity of an ordinance adopted before, and in effect on, January 1, 1994. SOURCE: IC 35-47-11-2; (08)IN1043.1.4. --> SECTION 4. IC 35-47-11-2 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 2. Notwithstanding IC 36-1-3, a unit may not regulate in any manner the ownership, possession, sale, transfer, or transportation of firearms (as defined in IC 35-47-1-5) or ammunition except as follows: (1) This chapter does not apply to land, buildings, or other real property owned or administered by a unit, except highways (as defined in IC 8-23-1-23) or public highways (as defined in IC 8-2.1-17-14). (2) Notwithstanding the limitation in this section, a unit may use the unit's planning and zoning powers under IC 36-7-4 to prohibit the sale of firearms within two hundred (200) feet of a school by a person having a business that did not sell firearms within two hundred (200) feet of a school before April 1, 1994. (3) Notwithstanding the limitation in this section, a legislative body of a unit other than a township may adopt an emergency ordinance or a unit other than a township may take other action allowed under section 6 of this chapter to regulate the sale of firearms anywhere within the unit for a period of not more than seventy-two (72) hours after the regulatory action takes effect. SECTION 5. THE FOLLOWING ARE REPEALED [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: IC 35-47-11-3; IC 35-47-11-4; IC 35-47-11-5; IC 35-47-11-6. |
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One dealing with allowing carrying without a physical license by placing an official notation on the licensee's driver's license or state ID. HOUSE BILL No. 1072 _____ DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL Citations Affected: IC 9-24; IC 35-47-2. Synopsis: Unlimited lifetime handgun permit endorsements. Provides that: (1) a notation on a driver's license or identification card indicates that the holder is an individual who is entitled to an unlimited lifetime license to carry any handgun lawfully possessed by the individual; and (2) the holder is not required to carry a handgun license when the individual is in possession of a handgun and the holder's driver's license or identification card with the notation. Specifies that a person who is no longer entitled to a handgun license and who knowingly or intentionally fails: (1) to promptly return a handgun license; or (2) obtain a replacement driver's license or identification card without the specific notation; commits a Class A misdemeanor. Deletes a conflicting penalty. Makes technical corrections. Effective: July 1, 2008. Walorski January 8, 2008, read first time and referred to Committee on Courts and Criminal Code. Introduced Second Regular Session 115th General Assembly (2008) PRINTING CODE. Amendments: Whenever an existing statute (or a section of the Indiana Constitution) is being amended, the text of the existing provision will appear in this style type, additions will appear in this style type, and deletions will appear in this style type. Additions: Whenever a new statutory provision is being enacted (or a new constitutional provision adopted), the text of the new provision will appear in this style type. Also, the word NEW will appear in that style type in the introductory clause of each SECTION that adds a new provision to the Indiana Code or the Indiana Constitution. Conflict reconciliation: Text in a statute in this style type or this style type reconciles conflicts between statutes enacted by the 2007 Regular Session of the General Assembly. HOUSE BILL No. 1072 A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning criminal law and procedure. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: SOURCE: IC 9-24-11-5; (08)IN1072.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 9-24-11-5, AS AMENDED BY P.L.184-2007, SECTION 38, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 5. (a) Except as provided in subsection (i), a permit or license issued under this chapter must contain the following information: (1) The full legal name of the permittee or licensee. (2) The date of birth of the permittee or licensee. (3) The address of the principal residence of the permittee or licensee. (4) The hair color and eye color of the permittee or licensee. (5) The date of issue and expiration date of the permit or license. (6) The gender of the permittee or licensee. (7) The unique identifying number of the permit or license. (8) The weight of the permittee or licensee. (9) The height of the permittee or licensee. (10) A reproduction of the signature of the permittee or licensee. (11) If the permittee or licensee is less than eighteen (18) years of age at the time of issuance, the dates on which the permittee or licensee will become: (A) eighteen (18) years of age; and (B) twenty-one (21) years of age. (12) If the permittee or licensee is at least eighteen (18) years of age but less than twenty-one (21) years of age at the time of issuance, the date on which the permittee or licensee will become twenty-one (21) years of age. (13) Except as provided in subsection (b) or (c), a digital photograph of the permittee or licensee. (b) The following permits or licenses do not require a digital photograph: (1) Temporary motorcycle learner's permit issued under IC 9-24-8. (2) Motorcycle learner's permit issued under IC 9-24-8. (c) The bureau may provide for the omission of a photograph or computerized image from any other license or permit if there is good cause for the omission. However, a license issued without a digital photograph must include the language described in subsection (f). (d) The information contained on the permit or license as required by subsection (a)(11) or (a)(12) for a permittee or licensee who is less than twenty-one (21) years of age at the time of issuance shall be printed prominently on the permit or license. (e) This subsection applies to a permit or license issued after January 1, 2007. If the applicant for a permit or license submits information to the bureau concerning the applicant's medical condition, the bureau shall place an identifying symbol on the face of the permit or license to indicate that the applicant has a medical condition of note. The bureau shall include information on the permit or license that briefly describes the medical condition of the holder of the permit or license. The information must be printed in a manner that alerts a person reading the permit or license to the existence of the medical condition. The permittee or licensee is responsible for the accuracy of the information concerning the medical condition submitted under this subsection. The bureau shall inform an applicant that submission of information under this subsection is voluntary. (f) Any license or permit issued by the state that does not require a digital photograph must include the statement "May not be accepted by any federal agency for federal identification or any other federal purpose. (g) A license or permit issued by the state to an individual who: (1) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or has nonimmigrant visa status for entry in the United States; (2) has a pending application for asylum in the United States; (3) has a pending or approved application for temporary protected status in the United States; (4) has approved deferred action status; or (5) has a pending application for adjustment of status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States or conditional permanent residence status in the United States; must be clearly identified as a temporary license or permit. A temporary license or permit issued under this subsection may not be renewed without the presentation of valid documentary evidence proving that the licensee's or permitee's permittee's temporary status has been extended. (h) The bureau may adopt rules under IC 4-22-2 to carry out this section. (i) For purposes of subsection (a), an individual certified as a program participant in the address confidentiality program under IC 5-26.5 is not required to provide the address of the individual's principal residence, but may provide an address designated by the office of the attorney general under IC 5-26.5 as the address of the individual's principal residence. (j) The bureau shall place a notation on a driver's license to indicate that the holder has been issued an unlimited lifetime license under IC 35-47-2-3(e) to carry any handgun lawfully possessed by the individual after: (1) a request by the individual for the notification has been made to the bureau; and (2) verification of issuance of the lifetime license has been made by the superintendent of the state police department to the bureau; in accordance with IC 9-24-14-3(b). SOURCE: IC 9-24-14-3; (08)IN1072.1.2. --> SECTION 2. IC 9-24-14-3 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 3. (a) If a licensee or permittee who changes mailing address or residence address or name, by marriage or otherwise, desires to have a replacement driver's license or permit indicating the new address or name of the licensee or permittee, the licensee or permittee may request the issuance of the replacement driver's license or permit upon proper application and the payment of the required fee as authorized by this article. (b) If a licensee or permittee requests the bureau to place a notation on the driver's license to indicate that the individual to whom the license has been issued has an unlimited lifetime license to carry any handgun lawfully possessed by the individual under IC 9-24-11-5(j), the bureau shall issue a replacement driver's license upon proper application and payment of the required fee as authorized by this article. SOURCE: IC 9-24-16-3; (08)IN1072.1.3. --> SECTION 3. IC 9-24-16-3, AS AMENDED BY P.L.184-2007, SECTION 49, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 3. (a) An identification card must have the same dimensions and shape as a driver's license, but the card must have markings sufficient to distinguish the card from a driver's license. (b) Except as provided in subsection (g), the front side of an identification card must contain the expiration date of the identification card and the following information about the individual to whom the card is being issued: (1) Full legal name. (2) The address of the principal residence. (3) Date of birth. (4) Date of issue and date of expiration. (5) Unique identification number. (6) Gender. (7) Weight. (8) Height. (9) Color of eyes and hair. (10) Reproduction of the signature of the individual identified. (11) Whether the individual is blind (as defined in IC 12-7-2-21(1)). (12) If the individual is less than eighteen (18) years of age at the time of issuance, the dates on which the individual will become: (A) eighteen (18) years of age; and (B) twenty-one (21) years of age. (13) If the individual is at least eighteen (18) years of age but less than twenty-one (21) years of age at the time of issuance, the date on which the individual will become twenty-one (21) years of age. (14) Digital photograph of the individual. (c) The information contained on the identification card as required by subsection (b)(12) or (b)(13) for an individual who is less than twenty-one (21) years of age at the time of issuance shall be printed prominently on the permit or license. (d) If the applicant for an identification card submits information to the bureau concerning the applicant's medical condition, the bureau shall place an identifying symbol on the face of the identification card to indicate that the applicant has a medical condition of note. The bureau shall include information on the identification card that briefly describes the medical condition of the holder of the card. The information must be printed in a manner that alerts a person reading the card to the existence of the medical condition. The applicant for an identification card is responsible for the accuracy of the information concerning the medical condition submitted under this subsection. The bureau shall inform an applicant that submission of information under this subsection is voluntary. (e) An identification card issued by the state that does not require a digital photograph must include the statement "May not be accepted by any federal agency for federal identification or any other federal purpose.". (f) An identification card issued by the state to an individual who: (1) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or has nonimmigrant visa status for entry in the United States; (2) has a pending application for asylum in the United States; (3) has a pending or approved application for temporary protected status in the United States; (4) has approved deferred action status; or (5) has a pending application for adjustment of status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States or conditional permanent residence status in the United States; must be clearly identified as a temporary identification card. A temporary identification card issued under this subsection may not be renewed without the presentation of valid documentary evidence proving that the holder of the identification card's temporary status has been extended. (g) For purposes of subsection (b), an individual certified as a program participant in the address confidentiality program under IC 5-26.5 is not required to provide the address of the individual's principal residence, but may provide an address designated by the office of the attorney general under IC 5-26.5 as the address of the individual's principal residence. (h) The bureau shall place a notation on an identification card to indicate that the holder has been issued an unlimited lifetime license under IC 35-47-2-3(e) to carry any handgun lawfully possessed by the individual after: (1) a request by the individual for the notification has been made to the bureau; and (2) verification of issuance of the lifetime license has been made by the superintendent of the state police department to the bureau; in accordance with IC 9-24-16-6(b). SOURCE: IC 9-24-16-6; (08)IN1072.1.4. --> SECTION 4. IC 9-24-16-6 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 6. (a) The bureau shall issue a duplicate identification card if any of the following conditions exist: (1) Any information contained on the card becomes invalid or obsolete. (2) The card is lost, stolen, damaged, or destroyed. (b) If the holder of an identification card requests the bureau to place a notation on the identification card to indicate that the individual to whom the identification card has been issued has an unlimited lifetime license to carry any handgun lawfully possessed by the individual under IC 9-24-16-3(h), the bureau shall issue a replacement identification card upon proper application and payment of the required fee as authorized by this article. SOURCE: IC 35-47-2-1; (08)IN1072.1.5. --> SECTION 5. IC 35-47-2-1, AS AMENDED BY P.L.118-2007, SECTION 35, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body, except in the person's dwelling or on the person's property or fixed place of business, without: (1) a license issued under this chapter; (2) a driver's license bearing a notation in accordance with IC 9-24-11-5(j); or (3) an identification card bearing a notation in accordance with IC 9-24-16-3(h); being in the person's possession. (b) Unless the person's right to possess a firearm has been restored under IC 35-47-4-7, a person who has been convicted of domestic battery under IC 35-42-2-1.3 may not possess or carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body: (1) in the person's dwelling; or (2) on the person's property or fixed place of business. SOURCE: IC 35-47-2-3; (08)IN1072.1.6. --> SECTION 6. IC 35-47-2-3, AS AMENDED BY P.L.155-2007, SECTION 1, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 3. (a) A person desiring a license to carry a handgun shall apply: (1) to the chief of police or corresponding law enforcement officer of the municipality in which the applicant resides; (2) if that municipality has no such officer, or if the applicant does not reside in a municipality, to the sheriff of the county in which the applicant resides after the applicant has obtained an application form prescribed by the superintendent; or (3) if the applicant is a resident of another state and has a regular place of business or employment in Indiana, to the sheriff of the county in which the applicant has a regular place of business or employment. The superintendent and local law enforcement agencies shall allow an applicant desiring to obtain or renew a license to carry a handgun to submit an application electronically under this chapter if funds are available to establish and maintain an electronic application system. (b) The law enforcement agency which accepts an application for a handgun license shall collect the following application fees: (1) From a person applying for a four (4) year handgun license, a ten dollar ($10) application fee, five dollars ($5) of which shall be refunded if the license is not issued. (2) From a person applying for a lifetime handgun license who does not currently possess a valid Indiana handgun license, a fifty dollar ($50) application fee, thirty dollars ($30) of which shall be refunded if the license is not issued. (3) From a person applying for a lifetime handgun license who currently possesses a valid Indiana handgun license, a forty dollar ($40) application fee, thirty dollars ($30) of which shall be refunded if the license is not issued. Except as provided in subsection (h), the fee shall be deposited into the law enforcement agency's firearms training fund or other appropriate training activities fund and used by the agency to train law enforcement officers in the proper use of firearms or in other law enforcement duties, or to purchase firearms or firearm related equipment, or both for the law enforcement officers employed by the law enforcement agency. The state board of accounts shall establish rules for the proper accounting and expenditure of funds collected under this subsection. (c) The officer to whom the application is made shall ascertain the applicant's name, full address, length of residence in the community, whether the applicant's residence is located within the limits of any city or town, the applicant's occupation, place of business or employment, criminal record, if any, and convictions (minor traffic offenses excepted), age, race, sex, nationality, date of birth, citizenship, height, weight, build, color of hair, color of eyes, scars and marks, whether the applicant has previously held an Indiana license to carry a handgun and, if so, the serial number of the license and year issued, whether the applicant's license has ever been suspended or revoked, and if so, the year and reason for the suspension or revocation, and the applicant's reason for desiring a license. The officer to whom the application is made shall conduct an investigation into the applicant's official records and verify thereby the applicant's character and reputation, and shall in addition verify for accuracy the information contained in the application, and shall forward this information together with the officer's recommendation for approval or disapproval and one (1) set of legible and classifiable fingerprints of the applicant to the superintendent. (d) The superintendent may make whatever further investigation the superintendent deems necessary. Whenever disapproval is recommended, the officer to whom the application is made shall provide the superintendent and the applicant with the officer's complete and specific reasons, in writing, for the recommendation of disapproval. (e) If it appears to the superintendent that the applicant: (1) has a proper reason for carrying a handgun; (2) is of good character and reputation; (3) is a proper person to be licensed; and (4) is: (A) a citizen of the United States; or (B) not a citizen of the United States but is allowed to carry a firearm in the United States under federal law; the superintendent shall issue to the applicant a qualified or an unlimited license to carry any handgun lawfully possessed by the applicant. The original license shall be delivered to the licensee. A copy shall be delivered to the officer to whom the application for license was made. A copy shall be retained by the superintendent for at least four (4) years in the case of a four (4) year license. Upon issuance of an unlimited lifetime license as set forth in section 4(a) of this chapter, the superintendent immediately shall transmit notification of the issuance of the unlimited lifetime license to the bureau of motor vehicles. The superintendent may adopt guidelines to establish a records retention policy for a lifetime license. A four (4) year license shall be valid for a period of four (4) years from the date of issue. A lifetime license is valid for the life of the individual receiving the license. The license of police officers, sheriffs or their deputies, and law enforcement officers of the United States government who have been honorably retired by a lawfully created pension board or its equivalent after twenty (20) or more years of service shall be valid for the life of these individuals. However, a lifetime license is automatically revoked if the license holder does not remain a proper person. (f) At the time a license is issued and delivered to a licensee under subsection (e), the superintendent shall include with the license information concerning handgun safety rules that: (1) neither opposes nor supports an individual's right to bear arms; and (2) is: (A) recommended by a nonprofit educational organization that is dedicated to providing education on safe handling and use of firearms; (B) prepared by the state police department; and (C) approved by the superintendent. The superintendent may not deny a license under this section because the information required under this subsection is unavailable at the time the superintendent would otherwise issue a license. The state police department may accept private donations or grants to defray the cost of printing and mailing the information required under this subsection. (g) A license to carry a handgun shall not be issued to any person who: (1) has been convicted of a felony; (2) has had a license to carry a handgun suspended, unless the person's license has been reinstated; (3) is under eighteen (18) years of age; (4) is under twenty-three (23) years of age if the person has been adjudicated a delinquent child for an act that would be a felony if committed by an adult; or (5) has been arrested for a Class A or Class B felony, or any other felony that was committed while armed with a deadly weapon or that involved the use of violence, if a court has found probable cause to believe that the person committed the offense charged. In the case of an arrest under subdivision (5), a license to carry a handgun may be issued to a person who has been acquitted of the specific offense charged or if the charges for the specific offense are dismissed. The superintendent shall prescribe all forms to be used in connection with the administration of this chapter. (h) If the law enforcement agency that charges a fee under subsection (b) is a city or town law enforcement agency, the fee shall be deposited in the law enforcement continuing education fund established under IC 5-2-8-2. (i) If a person who holds a valid license to carry a handgun issued under this chapter: (1) changes the person's name; (2) changes the person's address; or (3) experiences a change, including an arrest or a conviction, that may affect the person's status as a proper person (as defined in IC 35-47-1-7) or otherwise disqualify the person from holding a license; the person shall, not later than thirty (30) days after the date of a change described under subdivision (3), and not later than sixty (60) days after the date of the change described under subdivision (1) or (2), notify the superintendent, in writing, of the event described under subdivision (3) or, in the case of a change under subdivision (1) or (2), the person's new name or new address. (j) The state police shall indicate on the form for a license to carry a handgun the notification requirements of subsection (i). (k) The state police department shall adopt rules under IC 4-22-2 to implement an electronic application system under subsection (a). Rules adopted under this section must require the superintendent to keep on file one (1) set of classifiable and legible fingerprints from every person who has received a license to carry a handgun so that a person who applies to renew a license will not be required to submit an additional set of fingerprints. SOURCE: IC 35-47-2-5; (08)IN1072.1.7. --> SECTION 7. IC 35-47-2-5, AS AMENDED BY P.L.1-2006, SECTION 535, IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 5. (a) The superintendent may suspend or revoke any license issued under this chapter if he the superintendent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person's license should be suspended or revoked. (b) Documented evidence that a person is not a "proper person" to be licensed as defined by IC 35-47-1-7, or is prohibited under section 3(g)(5) of this chapter from being issued a license, shall be grounds for immediate suspension or revocation of a license previously issued under this chapter. However, if a license is suspended or revoked based solely on an arrest under section 3(g)(5) of this chapter, the license shall be reinstated upon the acquittal of the defendant in that case or upon the dismissal of the charges for the specific offense. (c) A person who knowingly or intentionally fails to promptly: (1) return his the license issued to the person; or (2) apply for and obtain a replacement: (A) driver's license that does not bear a notation in accordance with IC 9-24-11-5(j); or (B) identification card that does not bear a notation in accordance with IC 9-24-16-3(h); after written notice of suspension or revocation commits a Class A misdemeanor. The observation of a handgun license, a driver's license that bears a notation in accordance with IC 9-24-11-5(j), or an identification card that bears a notation in accordance with IC 9-24-16-3(h) in the possession of a person whose license has been suspended or revoked constitutes a sufficient basis for the arrest of that person for violation of this subsection. (d) The superintendent shall establish rules under IC 4-22-2 concerning the procedure for suspending or revoking a person's license. SOURCE: IC 35-47-2-23; (08)IN1072.1.8. --> SECTION 8. IC 35-47-2-23 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 23. (a) A person who violates section 3, 3(i), 4, 5, 14, 15, or 16 of this chapter commits a Class B misdemeanor. (b) A person who violates section 7, 17, or 18 of this chapter commits a Class C felony. (c) A person who violates section 1 of this chapter commits a Class A misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Class C felony: (1) if the offense is committed: (A) on or in school property; (B) within one thousand (1,000) feet of school property; or (C) on a school bus; or (2) if the person: (A) has a prior conviction of any offense under: (i) this subsection; or (ii) subsection (d); or (B) has been convicted of a felony within fifteen (15) years before the date of the offense. (d) A person who violates section 22 of this chapter commits a Class A misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Class D felony if the person has a prior conviction of any offense under this subsection or subsection (c), or if the person has been convicted of a felony within fifteen (15) years before the date of the offense. (e) A person who knowingly or intentionally violates section 5(c) of this chapter commits a Class A misdemeanor. SOURCE: IC 35-47-2-24; (08)IN1072.1.9. --> SECTION 9. IC 35-47-2-24 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 24. (a) In an information or indictment brought for the enforcement of any provision of this chapter, it is not necessary to negate any exemption specified under this chapter, or to allege the absence of a license required under this chapter. The burden of proof is on the defendant to prove that he the defendant is exempt under section 2 of this chapter, or that he the defendant has a license as required under this chapter. (b) Whenever a person who has been arrested or charged with a violation of section 1 of this chapter presents: (1) a valid license issued under this chapter; (2) a valid driver's license bearing a notation in accordance with IC 9-24-11-5(j); or (3) a valid identification card bearing a notation in accordance with IC 9-24-16-3(h); to the prosecuting attorney or establishes that he the person is exempt under section 2 of this chapter, any prosecution for a violation of section 1 of this chapter shall be dismissed immediately, and all records of an arrest or proceedings following arrest shall be destroyed immediately. |
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Here's one dealing with carry on state property and nonpublic schools. SENATE BILL No. 65 _____ DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL Citations Affected: IC 35-47. Synopsis: Possession of handguns. Provides that a person who possesses a valid Indiana license to carry a handgun may not be prohibited from possessing a handgun on land or in buildings and other structures owned or leased by: (1) the state or a political subdivision of the state; or (2) a nonpublic elementary school, nonpublic secondary school, or nonpublic postsecondary educational institution. Provides exceptions for airports and penal facilities. Effective: July 1, 2008. Nugent January 8, 2008, read first time and referred to Committee on Judiciary. Introduced Second Regular Session 115th General Assembly (2008) PRINTING CODE. Amendments: Whenever an existing statute (or a section of the Indiana Constitution) is being amended, the text of the existing provision will appear in this style type, additions will appear in this style type, and deletions will appear in this style type. Additions: Whenever a new statutory provision is being enacted (or a new constitutional provision adopted), the text of the new provision will appear in this style type. Also, the word NEW will appear in that style type in the introductory clause of each SECTION that adds a new provision to the Indiana Code or the Indiana Constitution. Conflict reconciliation: Text in a statute in this style type or this style type reconciles conflicts between statutes enacted by the 2007 Regular Session of the General Assembly. SENATE BILL No. 65 A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning criminal law and procedure. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: SOURCE: IC 35-47-9-1; (08)IN0065.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 35-47-9-1 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following: (1) A: (A) federal; (B) state; or (C) local; law enforcement officer. (2) A person who has been employed or authorized by: (A) a school; or (B) another person who owns or operates property being used by a school for a school function; to act as a security guard, perform or participate in a school function, or participate in any other activity authorized by a school. (3) A person who: (A) may legally possess a firearm; and (B) possesses the firearm in a motor vehicle that is being operated by the person to transport another person to or from a school or a school function. (4) A person who possesses a valid license to carry a handgun issued under IC 35-47-2. SOURCE: IC 35-47-11-2; (08)IN0065.1.2. --> SECTION 2. IC 35-47-11-2 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 2. Notwithstanding IC 36-1-3, a unit may not regulate in any manner the ownership, possession, sale, transfer, or transportation of firearms (as defined in IC 35-47-1-5) or ammunition except as follows: (1) Subject to IC 35-47-16, this chapter does not apply to land, buildings, or other real property owned or administered by a unit, except highways (as defined in IC 8-23-1-23) or public highways (as defined in IC 8-2.1-17-14). (2) Notwithstanding the limitation in this section, a unit may use the unit's planning and zoning powers under IC 36-7-4 to prohibit the sale of firearms within two hundred (200) feet of a school by a person having a business that did not sell firearms within two hundred (200) feet of a school before April 1, 1994. (3) Notwithstanding the limitation in this section, a legislative body of a unit other than a township may adopt an emergency ordinance or a unit other than a township may take other action allowed under section 6 of this chapter to regulate the sale of firearms anywhere within the unit for a period of not more than seventy-two (72) hours after the regulatory action takes effect. SOURCE: IC 35-47-16; (08)IN0065.1.3. --> SECTION 3. IC 35-47-16 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW CHAPTER TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Chapter 16. Possession of Handguns Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following: (1) A state prison, a correctional facility, a city or county jail, a penitentiary, or any other facility used to confine persons who: (A) have been sentenced for committing crimes; or (B) are awaiting trial or sentencing for committing crimes. (2) IC 35-47-6 concerning weapons in airports and on aircraft. Sec. 2. As used in this chapter, "political subdivision" means a: (1) county; (2) township; (3) city; (4) town; or (5) municipal corporation (as defined in IC 36-1-2-10). Sec. 3. As used in this chapter, "state" means Indiana or any agency of state government. Sec. 4. A person who possesses a valid license to carry a handgun issued under IC 35-47-2 may not be prohibited from possessing a handgun on land or in buildings and other structures owned or leased by: (1) the state or a political subdivision of the state; or (2) a nonpublic elementary school, nonpublic secondary school, or nonpublic postsecondary educational institution. |
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Not a gun bill, dealing with knives, basically relegalizes switchblades. SENATE BILL No. 85 _____ DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL Citations Affected: IC 35-47-5-2. Synopsis: Ballistic knives. Prohibits the manufacture, possession, or sale of a ballistic knife. Legalizes knives with blades that open automatically. Effective: July 1, 2008. Steele January 8, 2008, read first time and referred to Committee on Corrections, Criminal, and Civil Matters. Introduced Second Regular Session 115th General Assembly (2008) PRINTING CODE. Amendments: Whenever an existing statute (or a section of the Indiana Constitution) is being amended, the text of the existing provision will appear in this style type, additions will appear in this style type, and deletions will appear in this style type. Additions: Whenever a new statutory provision is being enacted (or a new constitutional provision adopted), the text of the new provision will appear in this style type. Also, the word NEW will appear in that style type in the introductory clause of each SECTION that adds a new provision to the Indiana Code or the Indiana Constitution. Conflict reconciliation: Text in a statute in this style type or this style type reconciles conflicts between statutes enacted by the 2007 Regular Session of the General Assembly. SENATE BILL No. 85 A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning criminal law and procedure. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: SOURCE: IC 35-47-5-2; (08)IN0085.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 35-47-5-2 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008]: Sec. 2. (a) As used in this section, "ballistic knife" means a knife with a detachable blade that may be expelled from the handle or frame of the knife. (b) It is a Class B misdemeanor for a person to knowingly or intentionally manufacture, possess, display, offer, sell, lend, give away, or purchase any knife with a blade that: (1) opens automatically; or (2) may be propelled; by hand pressure applied to a button, device containing gas, spring, or other device in the handle of the knife. a ballistic knife. SOURCE: ; (08)IN0085.1.2. --> SECTION 2. [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2008] IC 35-47-5-2, as amended by this act, applies only to crimes committed after June 30, 2008. |
I do not read that as a "do want I want on private property"... carte blanche so to speak. It would allow you to posses your legally owned firearm in your personal property(POV) while on someone elses personal property. If someone is on your property and they are not wanted...call the police like you would during any other situation. If they mean you harm then this law did not cause the end effect or change their actions in any way. I was in the Service so I understand giving up my rights to protect the rights inherent, I just dont agree with my employer having a greater right (read as fear) to remove my right to protect myself when they dont have that responsibilty or even care. My $.02 and we can agree to disagree....... |
I agree and have been waiting for years for this to come up. Im sick of not being able  to have a pistol in my car while on company property. I will concede their right to not allow me to carry in the place. The company does have rights as well but whats in my locked vehicle is my business. Lets see what some of the members here who use any excuse to bitch about giving up "rights" have to say. |
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I understand what you're saying. You think that your POV is your personal property that just happens to be parked on someone else's personal property. Yet you think that it's still a matter of YOUR personal property. Consider this: You invite me to your house for a nice pasta dinner. Some nice pasta, good sauce, some tasty peppers and sausage. I pull into your driveway, and as we converse, I casually mention that I have a loaded pistol in the trunk of my car, which is parked in your driveway. No problem, right? Now, instead of a pistol, I mention that I have a kilo of heroin in the trunk. You still should not have a problem with that, right? I mean after all, it's in MY car. It should make no difference to you that it's parked in your driveway. Edit: I hope we can keep this thread civil, as I think we can have a very good conversation about property rights in this thread. 
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Well a thimblefull or a kilo of horse is still illegal for all the right reasons. Dont play games. Funny how "what if" makes nice people propose stupid stuff. |
No, really, consider the basic premise. If my car is my personal domain, regardless of where it's parked, then you should have no problem whatsoever with what I'm storing inside of it, be it drugs, dead hookers, or even worse, light beer.  The legality of what's in my car should not be the point in question. What is truly at issue is where the rights of the property owner lie. **punctuation edit** |
I must say you have a point, to a point, I dont care what is in the trunk and its none of anyones business. Dead hookers make it tricky. I just hope you didnt do it. Light beer has no right to exist and should be put to death. Recreational drugs are such a can of worms. If made legal and taxed it would erase the national debit in a few months. BUT that needs lots of other debate. |