Posted: 6/12/2010 2:33:12 PM EDT
| I am looking to build/purchase a rifle for a familiy member of mine. What would I need to do to enable her to posses it legally? What I get depends largely on what kind of crap I'd have to do. I don't live in MD anymore, so obviously I would aquire it out of state. I'm thinking of building an AR, or buying an M1 carbine. |
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I assume she lives in MD?
If so, buy or build the rifle. Ship it to a MD FFL. She goes in to said FFL and does paperwork. She picks up rifle after mandatory waiting period and enjoys... Are you talking Class III stuff or the run of the mill? ETA: By the way, let her get mags here or give her a 20 rounder. We can posess mags with capcities over 20 rds but cannot recieve or transfer them inside state lines. Dumb I know...... |
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Basically, the situtation is that my mother lives on a farm on the Eastern Shore. My Brothers are moving out, and she will be living there alone. I have a pump 12 ga in the house already, but response time from police should trouble arise is going to be a while. So I would feel ALOT better if she had a rifle in the house as well. The problem with shipping it is that we essentially have no shops that do transfers close to where she lives as far as I know anymore (Salisbury area). If she lived in any other state, I would just take the thing to the house and that would be that. But being that she does live in MD, I wouldnt want her in trouble on some BS weapons charge if she had to use it.
Hmmmm....OK. Mags aren't going to be an issue. I am active duty military in an infantry unit, so I have a lot of mags, and I was planning just to give her some. Being that I reside in TN, there should be no issue there . So I take it there is no way to do a private transfer in MD with no paperwork. Would it be illegal to say "loan" her the rifle? Or would say an M1 Carbine, as opposed to an AR, avoid this issue altogether? I am going to MD to visit for a few weeks as soon as I get back from Trashcanistan. And in my neck of the woods (back in the world), parts/guns are universally accessable and inexpensive. SO what I would like to do is build this in TN, and then take it to MD for her. Is there a way to do this legally that isn't too much of a pain in the ass? |
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Basically, the situtation is that my mother lives on a farm on the Eastern Shore. My Brothers are moving out, and she will be living there alone. I have a pump 12 ga in the house already, but response time from police should trouble arise is going to be a while. So I would feel ALOT better if she had a rifle in the house as well. The problem with shipping it is that we essentially have no shops that do transfers close to where she lives as far as I know anymore (Salisbury area). If she lived in any other state, I would just take the thing to the house and that would be that. But being that she does live in MD, I wouldnt want her in trouble on some BS weapons charge if she had to use it. Hmmmm....OK. Mags aren't going to be an issue. I am active duty military in an infantry unit, so I have a lot of mags, and I was planning just to give her some. Being that I reside in TN, there should be no issue there. So I take it there is no way to do a private transfer in MD with no paperwork. Would it be illegal to say "loan" her the rifle? Or would say an M1 Carbine, as opposed to an AR, avoid this issue altogether? I am going to MD to visit for a few weeks as soon as I get back from Trashcanistan. And in my neck of the woods (back in the world), parts/guns are universally accessable and inexpensive. SO what I would like to do is build this in TN, and then take it to MD for her. Is there a way to do this legally that isn't too much of a pain in the ass? Yeah, that's a crime and I would advise against it. As for private transfers, yes, they are legal. Give it to her as a gift when you come home. Fill out the papers if it is a rifle with the profiled barrel (not needed for HBAR as they aren't regulated firearms) and send it in. No fee. My only caveat is giving her an AR. Is she going to practice with it? Does she know the manual of arms? Does she need to shoot longer distances? She's likely just fine with the shotgun. If anything, she should have a handgun. Edited to provide link. |
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OK, so if I build this thing with an A2 type barrel, then it's not regulated?
As for the training issue, I am going to take care of that when I get back there. I am going to have a couple weeks, and it won't be the first time I taught someone how to shoot an AR type. |
| there are several places that will do a transfer for you in/near Salisbury. Winks is in Princess Anne, gander mtn in salisbury, and there are a couple more that i cant think of there names right off the top of my head. make it a Hbar and she wont have any issues with waiting periods. are you sure she is going to want an AR? is she actually going to train/shoot it? i think the M1 carbine would be a good choice but ammo may be an issue around here. havent looked though but i can next time im up that way. what about a pistol cal carbine? less recoil and cheaper ammo. |
| Hmmm, ok I'll have to check those places out about that when I get back in town. As for a pistol cal carbine, I haven't seen anything suitable. They are all either, ergonomically odd, like the sterlings, or AR types, and if I'm going to do the AR thing, might as well have it in a rifle round, everything is less expensive and mags are more availible. I've thought about the M1 carbine thing, and it could be an option. But I see a few downsides as well. I would have to buy mags, there are less options for ammo out there, and with the parts I have lying around already it would probably cost me more in the end state to get one then it would to build an AR. So the only real advantage I see is if it won't require all this crap to give her possesion of it. Either way, I'm still going to have to train her with it. |
| there are a LOT more options out there for PCC's than the AR and sterling. also, winks may have something in stock you/she may like. as for the M1, she wont need 10 mags. 3 or 4 would be more than enough. have her shoot the AR before you even worry about building her one. no point in giving her a gun she isnt going to shoot. M1C's new are running in the $600-700 range and mags are $8-15 depending on what and where you buy. ammo is less than $300 per 1k depending on where you buy as well. not sure on the PCC's prices though. |
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Let me get this straight.... Provided I have 30 rounders I want to bring from home (since I just moved here from OH) it's illegal for me to possess them in MD? This state's laws suck...lol  Yes. You are not supposed to transfer them within state lines. For example, I cannot sell you 30 rd mags inside state lines, but you can bring them in from out of state. |
| OK, I have enough of my own guns that I am going to let her try a couple before I aquire any for this purpose. However, I was trying to figure out which guns had which legal hurdles prior to having her try any, especially considering I was thinking about leaving one of mine in the house until I get one for her. PCCs aren't going to do what I want for the previous reasons listed, and that any others that are out there I would not be willing to bet my life on, let alone hers. Not dissing anyones gun, but it's my gut feeling and I'm going to go with it(after 4 combat tours it's a pretty refined sense). So basically, I see two real choices, the M1 carbine and an AR. Regardless, what I am after is if either one of those we can get without having to deal with the regulated weapons garbage. A couple people have mentioned that you can get an HBAR AR and avoid the issue. So, is an A2 type barrel considered HBAR or does it have to be one of the varminter types? |
| The question you need to ask yourself is, when under great stress is she going to be able to manipulate a semi-auto weapon like the ar15. Think about the amount of training you have as an infantry soldier to stay proficient in it to include malfunctions. If this is something that is going to sit in a closet and never get used except occasionally then it's worthless. If she is already use to a pump shotgun then get a short barrel with rifle sights and you can shoot both shot and slugs. In times of stress our hands turn into flippers and we must have the training to overcome this. If the only training she is going to have is you showing her how it work and the occasional use then stick wtih the simple solution. The simple solution is often the best solution. |
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. . So I take it there is no way to do a private transfer in MD with no paperwork.. THERE ARE NO PRIVATE TRANSFERS BETWEEN RESIDENTS OF DIFFERENT STATES - PERIOD! That's a Federal law, not a state law. If you mom live in KY or TX you still couldn't legally just 'hand' the rifle to her or mail it to her. It MUST be transferred through a FFL. BTDT. If you came to MD you and your mom could go to the State police and do the paperwork there. HUMONGO has a link to the regs, where it points this out. I also have to agree with the above poster, if your mom is used to a shotgun, then get here what she is used to (a nice 20 gauge with an 18" barrel and youth stock would be great for a woman who has fire shotguns before). |
| Actually, that only applies to handguns, in regards to federal law. I have purchase long guns out of state on more than one occasion from several different dealers. It used to even be listed on the atf website, though I can't say whether or not it is still there. What I am not so well versed on, is MD laws, and what is considered regulated weapons and what isn't. I am already well aware of the issues training someone with a new firearm, I just need to know about legal issues in MD with what I am looking at. |