Posted: 2/25/2013 6:25:14 AM EDT
| Seeing as I just moved back to MN from AZ where we could open carry if you wanted to can I open carry here in MN? I would only do so when I was outdoors, like when walking the dog or such stuff. thanks in advance. |
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OK so I first need to go get a MN ccw permit to open carry, but if I have the CCW permit I would just ccw the pistol I use.   Any way thanks for the answers.That's correct, trust me you're better off going back to AZ, thankfully I can be in both states but Im up in MN way too much for my liking except during the 2 and half months of summer. |
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Minnesota's permit to carry is only for handguns. Unlike other states that allow you to carry rifles, Minnesota does not. Are you sure about that? I remember the ccw instructor at my class saying it is a permit to carry a firearm, not specifically a pistol. He did mention that you could violate fish and game laws by carrying a loaded uncased rifle or shotgun in your car, but it wouldn't be a violation of the carry permit. |
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here is the law
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.714 I am terrible at reading legal documents as I find them boreing and tend to start skimming rather then reading but it looks to me that although in several places it does refer to pistols specificly, it does not say that a CCW only applies to pistols or that it does not apply to a rifle. I'm not a lawyer and I just admited to skimming rather then reading so don't take this as legal advice but I am left with the impression you can carry anything you are legal to own, in places you are legal to carry. That being said, I have no intention of putting a sling on my AR and wearing it down to the MC Donalds, that just seems like a bad plan all around. |
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OK so I first need to go get a MN ccw permit to open carry, but if I have the CCW permit I would just ccw the pistol I use. Any way thanks for the answers.You'll need to obtain a Minnesota Permit to Carry a Pistol. The permit covers both open and concealed carry in Minnesota. The purpose of allowing open carry was to prevent prosecution in the event your concealed pistol became visible for whatever reason (this was a problem in states that had CCW laws that did not allow for accidental pistol exposure). The law thus allows full open carry for a permit holder. Most folks in Minnesota conceal, it keeps the sheep quiet. One of my good friends always open carries, most people don't even notice those that do are usually very concerned. |
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Quoted: Minnesota's permit to carry is only for handguns. Unlike other states that allow you to carry rifles, Minnesota does not. Someone posted a letter from the BCA about carrying rifles. I couldn't find it in the archives. Anyone remember it? Was about 4-5 years ago. |
| if you carry in the metro area, be prepared for attention. It's perfectly legal, but don't push the boundaries or become a test case, please...especially in this delicate environment. Live in Alexandria? no biggie. Maybe Wormfood will pull you over and you can have a discussion about .45 vs 9mm. St Paul, you may be having the same conversation with a size 11 boot on your head. |
Thanks for the reply's I was just wondering since I live out in the country if it was ok to open carry my pistol while walking the dog and such. In AZ it's not an issue but alas dear Horatio I'm not in AZ.  So I guess I'm off to go get my CCW in the near future.
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Quoted: Thanks for the reply's I was just wondering since I live out in the country if it was ok to open carry my pistol while walking the dog and such. In AZ it's not an issue but alas dear Horatio I'm not in AZ. So I guess I'm off to go get my CCW in the near future.Get the course from an AACFI instructor, not NRA. No problem with the NRA, but their course seems like it was a modified general pistol safety course with some legal points thrown in. The AACFI course is mainly about the legal aspect, and that is what you need to know. IF you don't know how to use a pistol properly, your CCW course is NOT the place for that. Also, when I got my permit, I recall reading that statutes that you could carry ANY <legal> weapon with your permit, AR's over the shoulder included. I just would not recommend it
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Thanks but now we are moving to Superior Wis. found a nice rental home and we stay there for apprx. 2 year or enough to buy a house( back in MN, not set in stone). And after talking to the guys at Superior Shooters Supply( nice guys btw) in Wis. they have open carry and ccw so that will be better and I don't need a stinking pistol purchase permit to buy a pistol or "assult rifle" if there where any in stock .
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Ask around a lot before you pick the instructor to go to. I have seen so called big name "expert" instructors make very big mistakes such as not knowing what the statute actually states, gross errors in their hand outs and outright lies as to what the statute would state and when called out on it their explanation was that they were erring on the side of caution. Yet in the same class they were teaching it is OK to shoot someone in your home without identifying them as a threat first because that is what the statute allows...
I have also seen snake oil sale instructors qualify students with 10 rounds from a .22 on the range. Granted the MPPA does not specify the live fire test requirements but 10 round from a .22 is setting the bar very low. Poor weapons handling is not a good thing regardless if the gun is unloaded or not. Silly advice on how the gun should be held when shooting. Also try not to get blinded by tails of how great their 50+ page handout is. There should be some sort of handout but 50+ of slides!! Too much in my mind. All first hand experience I have seen over the years from other instructors. In the end it is the individual instructor's sense of honor and commitment to doing it right regardless of who they are certified thru. Just my 2 cents though. |
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Ask around a lot before you pick the instructor to go to. I have seen so called big name "expert" instructors make very big mistakes such as not knowing what the statute actually states, gross errors in their hand outs and outright lies as to what the statute would state and when called out on it their explanation was that they were erring on the side of caution. Yet in the same class they were teaching it is OK to shoot someone in your home without identifying them as a threat first because that is what the statute allows... I have also seen snake oil sale instructors qualify students with 10 rounds from a .22 on the range. Granted the MPPA does not specify the live fire test requirements but 10 round from a .22 is setting the bar very low. Poor weapons handling is not a good thing regardless if the gun is unloaded or not. Silly advice on how the gun should be held when shooting. Also try not to get blinded by tails of how great their 50+ page handout is. There should be some sort of handout but 50+ of slides!! Too much in my mind. All first hand experience I have seen over the years from other instructors. In the end it is the individual instructor's sense of honor and commitment to doing it right regardless of who they are certified thru. Just my 2 cents though. And that's why you find the absolutely cheapest and shortest class you can to satisfy the legislative requirements. If you want to learn how to use a gun take a class focused on what you want to learn, if you want to know the law talk to an attorney and if you want the permit then go through the easiest required hoop you can find. |
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And that's why you find the absolutely cheapest and shortest class you can to satisfy the legislative requirements. If you want to learn how to use a gun take a class focused on what you want to learn, if you want to know the law talk to an attorney and if you want the permit then go through the easiest required hoop you can find. Interesting way of looking at it I suppose. So which lawyer did you talk to in MN, how much time did you spend together and what did you learn? |
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Ask around a lot before you pick the instructor to go to. I have seen so called big name "expert" instructors make very big mistakes such as not knowing what the statute actually states, gross errors in their hand outs and outright lies as to what the statute would state and when called out on it their explanation was that they were erring on the side of caution. Yet in the same class they were teaching it is OK to shoot someone in your home without identifying them as a threat first because that is what the statute allows... I have also seen snake oil sale instructors qualify students with 10 rounds from a .22 on the range. Granted the MPPA does not specify the live fire test requirements but 10 round from a .22 is setting the bar very low. Poor weapons handling is not a good thing regardless if the gun is unloaded or not. Silly advice on how the gun should be held when shooting. Also try not to get blinded by tails of how great their 50+ page handout is. There should be some sort of handout but 50+ of slides!! Too much in my mind. All first hand experience I have seen over the years from other instructors. In the end it is the individual instructor's sense of honor and commitment to doing it right regardless of who they are certified thru. Just my 2 cents though. Since there's no specified requirement, why burn up higher priced ammo? And if someone plans to carry a .22, it seems the bar is set just right! If I could find a class that cost $10, taught me nothing, and had me fire 10 rounds from a .22, and gave me a certificate, I'd consider it the perfect class! 
The CCW classes I've taken have been nothing more than a quick way for someone to make some good money for 1/2 days work, and a needless hoop we have to jump thru. |
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Since there's no specified requirement, why burn up higher priced ammo? And if someone plans to carry a .22, it seems the bar is set just right! If I could find a class that cost $10, taught me nothing, and had me fire 10 rounds from a .22, and gave me a certificate, I'd consider it the perfect class!
The CCW classes I've taken have been nothing more than a quick way for someone to make some good money for 1/2 days work, and a needless hoop we have to jump thru. Yes but you are probably not the average CCW student. You might do extra work on your own to understand the law, know how to use your weapon, educate yourself, talk with like minded friends to share knowledge. You probably come into a class knowing your share and contributing to the others in the class. That is not the norm though. How does someone without the vast knowledge many folks here have get their knowledge? They have to start somewhere and a good class with solid legal info and practical drills explained and holsters/belts discussed and guns and ammo and lights and... and... etc. is their first stepping stone. This will give them a good idea of where they are at and where they could go. Hence getting a good class from a good instructor. |