Posted: 12/18/2011 11:09:15 AM EDT
Is it the MN Attorney General Lori Swanson who I write a letter to for asking a question about firearm ownership? I wanna ask her if AR-15s are legal in MN given Statute 609.66 clearly would give reason to believe not. Here it is: { Subd. 4.Silencers prohibited.Except as provided in section 609.66, subdivision 1h, a person may not own or possess a silencer for a firearm or a firearm equipped to have a silencer attached} Most all AR 15s have a threaded 1/2"-28 barrel ready to accept a common silencer when the factory flash hider is removed. Would she answer this with clarity, if not, who will? I just want to be on the right side of the law. Thanks
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| chris, but it is broke. Theres a stated law prohibiting firearm ownership of any firearm that is capable of allowing a silencer to be attached. I'd like to buy a DPMS AR15 rifle as I enjoyed the M16 I was issued in the Army, but I dont want to break the stated statute that makes them illegal in MN. If the state is gonna let Scheels, Gander, Cabelas and others sell firearms in MN with threaded barrels then that part of the statute needs to be struck from the law books. I take no comfort in ambiguity of the written law and what is practiced by the market. Is the AG the one to ask? thanks |
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I would not worry about getting a standard AR15. SOOOOOOOOOOOO many people in MN have at least one. That being said, you pose an interesting point. Personally, I would not rock the boat and make waves. There is another push to get silencers legal in MN and, if by the grace of God it passes, the old wording would be changed anyway.
As for right now, if there were a test trial and ARs were deemed illegal, with the sheer numbers of AR owners in MN, there would almost certainly be a 'grandfather' clause and anyone that owns one should be ok. SO, in my opinion, buy two! (at least a couple extra lowers) |
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Just have your flash hider pinned/welded if you're worried about it.
FWIW, the actual section is: 97B.031 USE AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS. Subd. 4.Silencers prohibited. Except as provided in section 609.66, subdivision 1h, a person may not own or possess a silencer for a firearm or a firearm equipped to have a silencer attached. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=97B.031&year=2011 |
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There's one (or more) in every crowd. <insert any emoticon that fits> Professionally speaking, how about you you don't worry about it and move on the next great conundrum thats bothering you. If you really want to take something on, how about world peace or crocheting. Master one (or both if you're that motivated) and you have my vote for being the "Official $hit Stirrer."
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Is it the MN Attorney General Lori Swanson who I write a letter to for asking a question about firearm ownership? I wanna ask her if AR-15s are legal in MN given Statute 609.66 clearly would give reason to believe not. Here it is: { Subd. 4.Silencers prohibited.Except as provided in section 609.66, subdivision 1h, a person may not own or possess a silencer for a firearm or a firearm equipped to have a silencer attached} Most all AR 15s have a threaded 1/2"-28 barrel ready to accept a common silencer when the factory flash hider is removed. Would she answer this with clarity, if not, who will? I just want to be on the right side of the law. Thanks
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chris, but it is broke. Theres a stated law prohibiting firearm ownership of any firearm that is capable of allowing a silencer to be attached. I'd like to buy a DPMS AR15 rifle as I enjoyed the M16 I was issued in the Army, but I dont want to break the stated statute that makes them illegal in MN. If the state is gonna let Scheels, Gander, Cabelas and others sell firearms in MN with threaded barrels then that part of the statute needs to be struck from the law books. I take no comfort in ambiguity of the written law and what is practiced by the market. Is the AG the one to ask? thanks Swanson is a Democrat, and Anti-Gun. You are a fool to open Pandora's box in this manner. You will have the enmity of many just for asking the question, including mine. If you think the law can be interpreted that a threded barrel is illegal, then fine, don't own a firearm with a threaded barrel. Leave the rest of us to make our own choice for an area of law that is still virgin in MN law. ETA: Of note, ATF has already ruled in this area, equipped for a suppression means a suppressor mount is already attached to the barrel, even when the supressor is not present; the ruling is similar to other constructive intent findings. |
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Considering the "California Lite" level of firearms restictions in this state, if you WANT to "self-impose" more restrictions on your right-to-keep-and-bear-arms why don't you go all in and "move" to Kalifornia.
Don't give the left the opportunity to blow an ambiguous phrase way out of proportion. |
I guess I'd just like for that part of the statute to be struck from the books before I buy or at least to point out to those that make broad insertions to the law books to realize how obtuse they can be. We are indeed ruled by words when it comes down to it.  I'd rather not own an item that is deemed unlawful technically being that we live in a state of 87 counties that is dictated by just a couple of socialist counties. I highly doubt by asking an AG a simple question it will ignite a statewide ban on black guns as theres probably several thousand AR owners in state. I'd ask my County Attorney but he's in the hospital as of late for gunshot wounds . Maybe I'll just wait until he recovers and ask him instead of Lori Swanson. Its probably a safer route than bringing attention straight to the top. thanks
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I guess I'd just like for that part of the statute to be struck from the books before I buy or at least to point out to those that make broad insertions to the law books to realize how obtuse they can be. We are indeed ruled by words when it comes down to it. I'd rather not own an item that is deemed unlawful technically being that we live in a state of 87 counties that is dictated by just a couple of socialist counties. I highly doubt by asking an AG a simple question it will ignite a statewide ban on black guns as theres probably several thousand AR owners in state. I'd ask my County Attorney but he's in the hospital as of late for gunshot wounds. Maybe I'll just wait until he recovers and ask him instead of Lori Swanson. Its probably a safer route than bringing attention straight to the top. thanksIf you want the law clarified, contact your state Senator and State Representative, and then use the legislative process, not executive fiat! Read the thread about getting suppressors legalized, and then throw your effort behind that, rather than opening a can of worms. You would win many friends here for that effort, and make many enemies going the route of asking questions about ghostly ambiguities. ETA: A man of good character and fidelity to liberty would concern himself about how to go about increasing liberty rather than obsessing about slavish obidience to law. |
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I guess I'd just like for that part of the statute to be struck from the books before I buy or at least to point out to those that make broad insertions to the law books to realize how obtuse they can be. We are indeed ruled by words when it comes down to it. I'd rather not own an item that is deemed unlawful technically being that we live in a state of 87 counties that is dictated by just a couple of socialist counties. I highly doubt by asking an AG a simple question it will ignite a statewide ban on black guns as theres probably several thousand AR owners in state. I'd ask my County Attorney but he's in the hospital as of late for gunshot wounds. Maybe I'll just wait until he recovers and ask him instead of Lori Swanson. Its probably a safer route than bringing attention straight to the top. thanksI think you should forget about ARs and go buy a muzzleloader. Go here and start asking questions. Black powder forum |
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I guess I'd just like for that part of the statute to be struck from the books before I buy or at least to point out to those that make broad insertions to the law books to realize how obtuse they can be. We are indeed ruled by words when it comes down to it. I'd rather not own an item that is deemed unlawful technically being that we live in a state of 87 counties that is dictated by just a couple of socialist counties. I highly doubt by asking an AG a simple question it will ignite a statewide ban on black guns as theres probably several thousand AR owners in state. I'd ask my County Attorney but he's in the hospital as of late for gunshot wounds. Maybe I'll just wait until he recovers and ask him instead of Lori Swanson. Its probably a safer route than bringing attention straight to the top. thanksExplain to me what, exactly, strikes you as being a good idea about this whole thing. |
I'm sure your county attorney would be more than happy to bring it up with the AG once you ask him.
Seriously, leave it be. If it bothers you that much buy a ban era barrel off the EE here. They aren't that hard to find and you can probably sell the un-neutered barrel for more that you would pay for a ban era barrel anyway. Hell, you can probably find a ban era rifle if you search the gun shops for a while. They aren't that uncommon. |
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If anyone was to ever wonder what was meant by "we are our own worst enemies"...
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you this thread... May as well ask why they haven't implemented a tax on a vehicle's number of miles driven yet, or maybe suggested a tax on household oxygen consumption. |
Hey guys, I dont want to be the one. I catch your drifts, so I'll refrain for now. Maybe I'll take the congressman route eventually. I dont need an AR now anyway. Sorry to ruffle any feathers, but the inconsistancy of the written state law and what the state allows stores to sell is just plain wrong and setting up good law abiding MN citizens for potential hot water . I figure just because most people break the law speeding and dont get caught doesnt mean its ok. I wont buy an AR until this is resolved. Maybe I need to move to a Western state this spring and forget about progressive Minnesota and its booby traps
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NDT3, from what I read on the Gemtech and AAC suppressor websites only metric/european threads are of left handed thread. Most American barrels have a right thread of 1/2"-28 pitch and thats what those companies sell primarliy so it will screw right onto your AR15 no problem. So in this regard theres no getting around it. Your AR 15 is ready for a suppressor fresh from the factory.
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609.66 does not contain that sentence.
609.66 Subd. 1h.Silencers; authorized for law enforcement and wildlife control purposes.(a) Notwithstanding subdivision 1a, paragraph (a), clause (1), licensed peace officers may use devices designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm for tactical emergency response operations. Tactical emergency response operations include execution of high risk search and arrest warrants, incidents of terrorism, hostage rescue, and any other tactical deployments involving high risk circumstances. The chief law enforcement officer of a law enforcement agency that has the need to use silencing devices must establish and enforce a written policy governing the use of the devices. the referenced wording is actually 97B.031 Sub 4 "Silencers prohibited.Except as provided in section 609.66, subdivision 1h, a person may not own or possess a silencer for a firearm or a firearm equipped to have a silencer attached. " this entire section pertains ONLY to hunting. its not criminal code, differant class of laws. even still the way the law is written - a firearm with a threaded bbl is not "equipped" to attach a suppressor. to be "equipped" I belive it would need to be a QD adaptor installed or other dedicated suppressor mount. the threads on your barrle are for the attachment of a muzzle device, not a suppressor |
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J75, You are mistaken. The threaded barrel of any AR15 will readily accept and is intended for suppressors ultimately including flash hiders etc. As its written in Minnesota it is ILLEGAL to own a firearm capable of attaching a silencer. Threaded barrels are the common & typical way of attachment. A QD adapter is just another way of attaching a silencer in a quicker manner, hence the name.
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I am not seeing where 609.66 has the wording you state. 97B.031 does but it is in regards to hunting.
97 through 102 are game and fish 97 Game and Fish 97A Game and Fish 97B Hunting 97C Fishing 98 Licenses, Taking Game and Fish 99 Game Refuges, Fish Refuges, Game and Fur Farms 100 Quadrupeds, Birds 101 Fish 102 Commercial Fishing 97B.031 USE AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS. Subdivision 1.Firearms and ammunition that may be used to take big game.A person may take big game with a firearm only if: (1) the rifle, shotgun, and handgun used is a caliber of at least .22 inches and with centerfire ignition; (2) the firearm is loaded only with single projectile ammunition; (3) a projectile used is a caliber of at least .22 inches and has a soft point or is an expanding bullet type; (4) the muzzleloader used is incapable of being loaded at the breech; (5) the smooth-bore muzzleloader used is a caliber of at least .45 inches; and (6) the rifled muzzleloader used is a caliber of at least .40 inches. Subd. 2.Handguns for small game.A person may take small game with a handgun of any caliber in a manner prescribed by the commissioner. Subd. 3.Firearms larger than ten gauge prohibited.A person may not use a firearm with a bore larger than a ten gauge to take a protected wild animal. Subd. 4.Silencers prohibited.Except as provided in section 609.66, subdivision 1h, a person may not own or possess a silencer for a firearm or a firearm equipped to have a silencer attached. Subd. 5.Scopes; visually impaired hunters.(a) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, the commissioner may issue a special permit, without a fee, to use a muzzleloader with a scope to take deer during the muzzleloader season to a person who obtains the required licenses and who has a visual impairment. The scope may not have magnification capabilities. (b) The visual impairment must be to the extent that the applicant is unable to identify targets and the rifle sights at the same time without a scope. The visual impairment and specific conditions must be established by medical evidence verified in writing by (1) a licensed physician or a certified nurse practitioner or certified physician assistant acting under the direction of a licensed physician; (2) a licensed ophthalmologist; or (3) a licensed optometrist. The commissioner may request additional information from the physician if needed to verify the applicant's eligibility for the permit. (c) A permit issued under this subdivision may be valid for up to five years, based on the permanence of the visual impairment as determined by the licensed physician, ophthalmologist, or optometrist. (d) The permit must be in the immediate possession of the permittee when hunting under the special permit. (e) The commissioner may deny, modify, suspend, or revoke a permit issued under this subdivision for cause, including a violation of the game and fish laws or rules. (f) A person who knowingly makes a false application or assists another in making a false application for a permit under this subdivision is guilty of a misdemeanor. A physician, certified nurse practitioner, certified physician assistant, ophthalmologist, or optometrist who fraudulently certifies to the commissioner that a person is visually impaired as described in this subdivision is guilty of a misdemeanor 609.66 DANGEROUS WEAPONS. Subdivision 1.Misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor crimes.(a) Whoever does any of the following is guilty of a crime and may be sentenced as provided in paragraph (b): (1) recklessly handles or uses a gun or other dangerous weapon or explosive so as to endanger the safety of another; or (2) intentionally points a gun of any kind, capable of injuring or killing a human being and whether loaded or unloaded, at or toward another; or (3) manufactures or sells for any unlawful purpose any weapon known as a slungshot or sand club; or (4) manufactures, transfers, or possesses metal knuckles or a switch blade knife opening automatically; or (5) possesses any other dangerous article or substance for the purpose of being used unlawfully as a weapon against another; or (6) outside of a municipality and without the parent's or guardian's consent, furnishes a child under 14 years of age, or as a parent or guardian permits the child to handle or use, outside of the parent's or guardian's presence, a firearm or airgun of any kind, or any ammunition or explosive. Possession of written evidence of prior consent signed by the minor's parent or guardian is a complete defense to a charge under clause (6). (b) A person convicted under paragraph (a) may be sentenced as follows: (1) if the act was committed in a public housing zone, as defined in section 152.01, subdivision 19, a school zone, as defined in section 152.01, subdivision 14a, or a park zone, as defined in section 152.01, subdivision 12a, to imprisonment for not more than one year or to payment of a fine of not more than $3,000, or both; or (2) otherwise, including where the act was committed on residential premises within a zone described in clause (1) if the offender was at the time an owner, tenant, or invitee for a lawful purpose with respect to those residential premises, to imprisonment for not more than 90 days or to payment of a fine of not more than $1,000, or both. Subd. 1a.Felony crimes; silencers prohibited; reckless discharge.(a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 1h, whoever does any of the following is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced as provided in paragraph (b): (1) sells or has in possession any device designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm; (2) intentionally discharges a firearm under circumstances that endanger the safety of another; or (3) recklessly discharges a firearm within a municipality. (b) A person convicted under paragraph (a) may be sentenced as follows: (1) if the act was a violation of paragraph (a), clause (2), or if the act was a violation of paragraph (a), clause (1) or (3), and was committed in a public housing zone, as defined in section 152.01, subdivision 19, a school zone, as defined in section 152.01, subdivision 14a, or a park zone, as defined in section 152.01, subdivision 12a, to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both; or (2) otherwise, to imprisonment for not more than two years or to payment of a fine of not more than $5,000, or both. Subd. 1b.Felony; furnishing to minors.Whoever, in any municipality of this state, furnishes a minor under 18 years of age with a firearm, airgun, ammunition, or explosive without the prior consent of the minor's parent or guardian or of the police department of the municipality is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both. Possession of written evidence of prior consent signed by the minor's parent or guardian is a complete defense to a charge under this subdivision. Subd. 1c.Felony; furnishing dangerous weapon.Whoever recklessly furnishes a person with a dangerous weapon in conscious disregard of a known substantial risk that the object will be possessed or used in furtherance of a felony crime of violence is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both. Subd. 1d.Possession on school property; penalty.(a) Except as provided under paragraphs (d) and (f), whoever possesses, stores, or keeps a dangerous weapon while knowingly on school property is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both. (b) Whoever uses or brandishes a replica firearm or a BB gun while knowingly on school property is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. (c) Whoever possesses, stores, or keeps a replica firearm or a BB gun while knowingly on school property is guilty of a misdemeanor. (d) Notwithstanding paragraph (a), (b), or (c), it is a misdemeanor for a person authorized to carry a firearm under the provisions of a permit or otherwise to carry a firearm on or about the person's clothes or person in a location the person knows is school property. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this paragraph is not subject to forfeiture. (e) As used in this subdivision: (1) "BB gun" means a device that fires or ejects a shot measuring .18 of an inch or less in diameter; (2) "dangerous weapon" has the meaning given it in section 609.02, subdivision 6; (3) "replica firearm" has the meaning given it in section 609.713; and (4) "school property" means: (i) a public or private elementary, middle, or secondary school building and its improved grounds, whether leased or owned by the school; (ii) a child care center licensed under chapter 245A during the period children are present and participating in a child care program; (iii) the area within a school bus when that bus is being used by a school to transport one or more elementary, middle, or secondary school students to and from school-related activities, including curricular, cocurricular, noncurricular, extracurricular, and supplementary activities; and (iv) that portion of a building or facility under the temporary, exclusive control of a public or private school, a school district, or an association of such entities where conspicuous signs are prominently posted at each entrance that give actual notice to persons of the school-related use. (f) This subdivision does not apply to: (1) active licensed peace officers; (2) military personnel or students participating in military training, who are on-duty, performing official duties; (3) persons authorized to carry a pistol under section 624.714 while in a motor vehicle or outside of a motor vehicle to directly place a firearm in, or retrieve it from, the trunk or rear area of the vehicle; (4) persons who keep or store in a motor vehicle pistols in accordance with section 624.714 or 624.715 or other firearms in accordance with section 97B.045; (5) firearm safety or marksmanship courses or activities conducted on school property; (6) possession of dangerous weapons, BB guns, or replica firearms by a ceremonial color guard; (7) a gun or knife show held on school property; (8) possession of dangerous weapons, BB guns, or replica firearms with written permission of the principal or other person having general control and supervision of the school or the director of a child care center; or (9) persons who are on unimproved property owned or leased by a child care center, school, or school district unless the person knows that a student is currently present on the land for a school-related activity. (g) Notwithstanding section 471.634, a school district or other entity composed exclusively of school districts may not regulate firearms, ammunition, or their respective components, when possessed or carried by nonstudents or nonemployees, in a manner that is inconsistent with this subdivision. Subd. 1e.Felony; drive-by shooting.(a) Whoever, while in or having just exited from a motor vehicle, recklessly discharges a firearm at or toward another motor vehicle or a building is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than three years or to payment of a fine of not more than $6,000, or both. (b) Any person who violates this subdivision by firing at or toward a person, or an occupied building or motor vehicle, may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both. (c) For purposes of this subdivision, "motor vehicle" has the meaning given in section 609.52, subdivision 1, and "building" has the meaning given in section 609.581, subdivision 2. Subd. 1f.Gross misdemeanor; transferring firearm without background check.A person, other than a federally licensed firearms dealer, who transfers a pistol or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon to another without complying with the transfer requirements of section 624.7132, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if the transferee possesses or uses the weapon within one year after the transfer in furtherance of a felony crime of violence, and if: (1) the transferee was prohibited from possessing the weapon under section 624.713 at the time of the transfer; or (2) it was reasonably foreseeable at the time of the transfer that the transferee was likely to use or possess the weapon in furtherance of a felony crime of violence. Subd. 1g.Felony; possession in courthouse or certain state buildings.(a) A person who commits either of the following acts is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both: (1) possesses a dangerous weapon, ammunition, or explosives within any courthouse complex; or (2) possesses a dangerous weapon, ammunition, or explosives in any state building within the Capitol Area described in chapter 15B, other than the National Guard Armory. (b) Unless a person is otherwise prohibited or restricted by other law to possess a dangerous weapon, this subdivision does not apply to: (1) licensed peace officers or military personnel who are performing official duties; (2) persons who carry pistols according to the terms of a permit issued under section 624.714 and who so notify the sheriff or the commissioner of public safety, as appropriate; (3) persons who possess dangerous weapons for the purpose of display as demonstrative evidence during testimony at a trial or hearing or exhibition in compliance with advance notice and safety guidelines set by the sheriff or the commissioner of public safety; or (4) persons who possess dangerous weapons in a courthouse complex with the express consent of the county sheriff or who possess dangerous weapons in a state building with the express consent of the commissioner of public safety. Subd. 1h.Silencers; authorized for law enforcement and wildlife control purposes.(a) Notwithstanding subdivision 1a, paragraph (a), clause (1), licensed peace officers may use devices designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm for tactical emergency response operations. Tactical emergency response operations include execution of high risk search and arrest warrants, incidents of terrorism, hostage rescue, and any other tactical deployments involving high risk circumstances. The chief law enforcement officer of a law enforcement agency that has the need to use silencing devices must establish and enforce a written policy governing the use of the devices. (b) Notwithstanding subdivision 1a, paragraph (a), clause (1), an enforcement officer, as defined in section 97A.015, subdivision 18, a wildlife area manager, an employee designated under section 84.0835, or a person acting under contract with the commissioner of natural resources, at specific times and locations that are authorized by the commissioner of natural resources may use devices designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm for wildlife control operations that require stealth. If the commissioner determines that the use of silencing devices is necessary under this paragraph, the commissioner must establish and enforce a written policy governing the use, possession, and transportation of the devices. |
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J75, You are mistaken. The threaded barrel of any AR15 will readily accept and is intended for suppressors ultimately including flash hiders etc. As its written in Minnesota it is ILLEGAL to own a firearm capable of attaching a silencer. Threaded barrels are the common & typical way of attachment. A QD adapter is just another way of attaching a silencer in a quicker manner, hence the name. you are incorrect, as you wrote yourself, the staute in question says "firearm equipped to have a silencer attached", this is very different legaly then "a firearm capable of attaching a silencer" as you put it. please provide the supporting documents that show that the original intent of the threaded barrel on the AR-15/M-16 family of rifles was to mount a suppressor...
the threaded barrel is for the attachment of a muzzle device, not spacificly equiped for a suppressor (and in the legal aspect of MN law, a sound supressor/silencer is not in the same family as a flash supressor) if you know that i am mistaken in my answer to your question, then why did you ask the question? I smell troll... regardless, as i said, the criminal statute you referanced says nothing about owning a firearm equipted to mount a supressor. the statute that does contain that language is a civil regulation and pertains ONLY to hunting. |
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2011 Minnesota Statutes
Resources Topics Ammunition Big Game Blind Persons Crimes Deer Firearms Hunting Medical Evidence Natural Resources Department Physicians and Surgeons Pistols Rifles Shotguns Small Game Recent History 2008 Subd. 1 Amended 2008 c 368 art 2 s 39 2007 Subd. 1 Amended 2007 c 131 art 1 s 36 2005 Subd. 1 Amended 2005 c 146 s 28 2002 Subd. 1 Amended 2002 c 351 s 15 2000 Subd. 1 Amended 2000 c 473 s 7 2005 Subd. 4 Amended 2005 c 102 s 1 2011 Subd. 5 Amended 1Sp2011 c 2 art 5 s 39 2005 Subd. 5 Amended 2005 c 146 s 29 2004 Subd. 5 New 2004 c 215 s 19 97B.031 USE AND POSSESSION OF FIREARMS. Subdivision 1.Firearms and ammunition that may be used to take big game.A person may take big game with a firearm only if: (1) the rifle, shotgun, and handgun used is a caliber of at least .22 inches and with centerfire ignition; (2) the firearm is loaded only with single projectile ammunition; (3) a projectile used is a caliber of at least .22 inches and has a soft point or is an expanding bullet type; (4) the muzzleloader used is incapable of being loaded at the breech; (5) the smooth-bore muzzleloader used is a caliber of at least .45 inches; and (6) the rifled muzzleloader used is a caliber of at least .40 inches. Subd. 2.Handguns for small game.A person may take small game with a handgun of any caliber in a manner prescribed by the commissioner. Subd. 3.Firearms larger than ten gauge prohibited.A person may not use a firearm with a bore larger than a ten gauge to take a protected wild animal. Subd. 4.Silencers prohibited.Except as provided in section 609.66, subdivision 1h, a person may not own or possess a silencer for a firearm or a firearm equipped to have a silencer attached  Nice try looking for a loophole, but if you cannot "own or possess a silencer in Minnesota, then nor can you own a firearm equipped to have a silencer attached" as written. I'm not getting how you think this only applies to hunting. If that were the case then silencers are legal in Minnesota if you want to cherry pick and believe that part of the clause that says a firearm equipped to attach a silencer only applies to hunting.
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I think he has trolled this before under a different name.
HKPSP [Member]1/19/2011 10:42:05 PM CST Just to let ya know as an ex-Minnesotan that silencer ownership or owning a firearm in which a silencer can be attached to (threaded) is illegal in Minnesota. If you get your Ar15 threaded to a common thread like 1/2-28, which is the most common for a .223 silencer then you are in the wrong with the state. If I knew how to post the statute in which speaks on silencers in MN I would, but you can very easily read it on the top sticky of this room. THe only exceptions in MN for silencer and threaded firearms ownership is for Law Enforcement and DNR. Law abiding, taxpaying, veterans or any good citizen of MN arent allowed. Naturally, you may say that theres many stores that sell firearms with threaded barrels, like the WAlther P22, HK Tactical 45, most AR-15 when flash suppressor removed. I've seen it too at Scheels, Gander, Cabelas etc and its an inconsistancy with the law and who knows maybe the store buyers dont know and the police dont care I dont understand how any of these are legal as the law clearly states no firearm capable of being able to attach a silencer(threaded) is legal in MN I guess the law hasnt been tested, yet. Just letting ya know as you may not want to be part of a test trial vs the state of MN. I really wish MN would change it and be like most other states and allow suppressor ownership through the Federal NFA process as they are a wonderful tool to use and protect your hearing. I'm glad Oregon allows me to have mine. I'd contact the state attorney general and get it in writing that its ok for you to get your barrel threaded just to be safe. http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=28&t=438773 |
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I think he has trolled this before under a different name. HKPSP [Member]1/19/2011 10:42:05 PM CST Just to let ya know as an ex-Minnesotan that silencer ownership or owning a firearm in which a silencer can be attached to (threaded) is illegal in Minnesota. If you get your Ar15 threaded to a common thread like 1/2-28, which is the most common for a .223 silencer then you are in the wrong with the state. If I knew how to post the statute in which speaks on silencers in MN I would, but you can very easily read it on the top sticky of this room. THe only exceptions in MN for silencer and threaded firearms ownership is for Law Enforcement and DNR. Law abiding, taxpaying, veterans or any good citizen of MN arent allowed. Naturally, you may say that theres many stores that sell firearms with threaded barrels, like the WAlther P22, HK Tactical 45, most AR-15 when flash suppressor removed. I've seen it too at Scheels, Gander, Cabelas etc and its an inconsistancy with the law and who knows maybe the store buyers dont know and the police dont care I dont understand how any of these are legal as the law clearly states no firearm capable of being able to attach a silencer(threaded) is legal in MN I guess the law hasnt been tested, yet. Just letting ya know as you may not want to be part of a test trial vs the state of MN. I really wish MN would change it and be like most other states and allow suppressor ownership through the Federal NFA process as they are a wonderful tool to use and protect your hearing. I'm glad Oregon allows me to have mine. I'd contact the state attorney general and get it in writing that its ok for you to get your barrel threaded just to be safe. http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=8&f=28&t=438773 yup, that came up when i was searching on him... similer troll threads in other gun forums in the last month as well....and several in the AR15.com archives... you would think after trolling the same subject so much that he would at least get the statute right. |
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Quoted: When all else fails accuse'em of being someone else and a troll . I give up on this discussion as theres really only one safe way to find out the answer to my question. I'll let ya all know what the AG says. I hope you are right and I'm wrong. ThanksYou come in here and start a thread solely to ruff the feathers The said rifles are legal for sale in Minnesota the way they leave the factory. I'm really surprised you haven't called out a mfg and accused them of selling illegal rifles |