Posted: 5/25/2010 2:31:54 AM EDT
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What machine guns can be owned here in Minnesota without an FFL?
I went to a shoot and some guys had some really old ones and the range had new ones. I would love to have the Glock they had there. Thanks. |
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+1 for the C&R
The list for C&R sub-machine guns gets updated by the BATFE. As said before, ya still need a form 4 So, the SMG must have been made prior to 1960 as well as NOT have been demiliterized. So, no going out and buying a chopped up STEN kit and putting a new receiver tube on it. That will only win you a free trip to ClubFed for 10 years. SMG M1 carbines, M3 grease guns, Thompsons, and REALLY old AKs. (I think there were some made in 1957) Personally, I'd rather have a 10 barrel crank operated gattling gun that shoots 22lr. Anything bigger would become ridiculously expensive to take out more than 2-3 times a year. Plus, the crank operated ones are NOT considered a machine gun. 
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+1 for the C&R The list for C&R sub-machine guns gets updated by the BATFE. As said before, ya still need a form 4 So, the SMG must have been made prior to 1960 as well as NOT have been demiliterized. So, no going out and buying a chopped up STEN kit and putting a new receiver tube on it. That will only win you a free trip to ClubFed for 10 years. SMG M1 carbines, M3 grease guns, Thompsons, and REALLY old AKs. (I think there were some made in 1957) Personally, I'd rather have a 10 barrel crank operated gattling gun that shoots 22lr. Anything bigger would become ridiculously expensive to take out more than 2-3 times a year. Plus, the crank operated ones are NOT considered a machine gun. http://www.gatlingguns.net/images/gat3.jpg where do you find .22 gatlin guns or the plans to make? |
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+1 for the C&R The list for C&R sub-machine guns gets updated by the BATFE. As said before, ya still need a form 4 So, the SMG must have been made prior to 1960 as well as NOT have been demiliterized. So, no going out and buying a chopped up STEN kit and putting a new receiver tube on it. That will only win you a free trip to ClubFed for 10 years. SMG M1 carbines, M3 grease guns, Thompsons, and REALLY old AKs. (I think there were some made in 1957) Personally, I'd rather have a 10 barrel crank operated gattling gun that shoots 22lr. Anything bigger would become ridiculously expensive to take out more than 2-3 times a year. Plus, the crank operated ones are NOT considered a machine gun. http://www.gatlingguns.net/images/gat3.jpg where do you find .22 gatlin guns or the plans to make? I've seen those twn 10/22 gatling gun conversions. I think Sportsman's Guide sells em. Pic of the Bugger ETA And then sir, make one of these!!! |
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What machine guns can be owned here in Minnesota without an FFL? I went to a shoot and some guys had some really old ones and the range had new ones. I would love to have the Glock they had there. Thanks. If they had a Glock that was full auto then they are some type of 07 FFL SOT meaning they can build their own, or demo factory MGs for Law Enforcement but they are not transferable to the public. If you want to own a transferable machinegun you need to look into ones that are deemed C&R. Think WWII era guns for C&R, but the funny thing is since full auto conversions were stopped in 1986 there have been zero new MGs added to the transferable pool for 24 years so eventually all transferable MGs will be C&R. That means MN will someday allow M16s MP5s and Macs |
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What machine guns can be owned here in Minnesota without an FFL? I went to a shoot and some guys had some really old ones and the range had new ones. I would love to have the Glock they had there. Thanks. If they had a Glock that was full auto then they are some type of 07 FFL SOT meaning they can build their own, or demo factory MGs for Law Enforcement but they are not transferable to the public. If you want to own a transferable machinegun you need to look into ones that are deemed C&R. Think WWII era guns for C&R, but the funny thing is since full auto conversions were stopped in 1986 there have been zero new MGs added to the transferable pool for 24 years so eventually all transferable MGs will be C&R. That means MN will someday allow M16s MP5s and Macs 2036 is getting closer |
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Heads up ladies before you all go and buy a crank for your 10/22 Trigger Assisted Devices are Illegal. 609.67 MACHINE GUNS AND SHORT-BARRELED SHOTGUNS. Subdivision 1.Definitions. (a) "Machine gun" means any firearm designed to discharge, or capable of discharging automatically more than once by a single function of the trigger. (b) "Shotgun" means a weapon designed, redesigned, made or remade which is intended to be fired from the shoulder and uses the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. (c) "Short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length less than 26 inches. (d) "Trigger activator" means a removable manual or power driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that, when attached to a firearm, the rate at which the trigger may be pulled increases and the rate of fire of the firearm increases to that of a machine gun. (e) "Machine gun conversion kit" means any part or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machine gun, and any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled, but does not include a spare or replacement part for a machine gun that is possessed lawfully under section 609.67, subdivision 3. Subd. 2.Acts prohibited. Except as otherwise provided herein, whoever owns, possesses, or operates a machine gun, any trigger activator or machine gun conversion kit, or a short-barreled shotgun may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than five years or to payment of a fine of not more than $10,000, or both. Subd. 3.Uses permitted. The following persons may own or possess a machine gun or short-barreled shotgun provided the provisions of subdivision 4 are complied with: (1) law enforcement officers for use in the course of their duties; (2) chief executive officers of correctional facilities and other personnel thereof authorized by them and persons in charge of other institutions for the retention of persons convicted or accused of crime, for use in the course of their duties; (3) persons possessing machine guns or short-barreled shotguns which, although designed as weapons, have been determined by the superintendent of the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension or the superintendent's delegate by reason of the date of manufacture, value, design or other characteristics to be primarily collector's items, relics, museum pieces or objects of curiosity, ornaments or keepsakes, and are not likely to be used as weapons |
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Quoted: 2036 is getting closer Why 2036? Also any of those weapons listed, M-16, MP-5 and whatever else would have to been registered under the 1968 amnesty, if it's not on the registry it is just a parts gun ............it's real simple There are Pre-May's around but you would have to hold and FFL to obtain one. The good news is that if you let your FFL go and you own a Pre-May you can still keep it. You cannot keep your Post-May guns if you let your FFL go, you would either have to sell it to someone who is quailified to purchase it with a Deptartment letterhead or cut it up I know it sounds goofy as hell, but that is the law |
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Quoted: Because in 2036, all legally registered transferable machine guns will be C&R because they will then ALL be 50+ years old. C&R makes them MN legal. Don't get me wrong, but Pre-May's will always be Pre-May's because they were not registered under the 1968 amnesty. |
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Because in 2036, all legally registered transferable machine guns will be C&R because they will then ALL be 50+ years old. C&R makes them MN legal. Don't get me wrong, but Pre-May's will always be Pre-May's because they were not registered under the 1968 amnesty. So what you are saying is that after 2018 all MGs that are legally transferable to individuals without an FFL will be C&R and that's all we get as non-FFL individuals? I always thought that up until May 1986 anyone could purchase and register MGs provided their state allowed it and those would also be transferable to other individuals. |
| thats why bitterbastard said all TRANSFERABLE MGs. pre-mays aren't fully transferable, they're PREMAYS. the consensus is that in 2036, which is 50 years after 1986, all fully transferable (premays aren't fully transferable) will fall under the C&R criteria of being 50 years old. don't mean shit if its a parts gun or not, goes by age. now we'll see if the ATF goes along with this or tries to screw people....too much time for me to care right now. |
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thats why bitterbastard said all TRANSFERABLE MGs. pre-mays aren't fully transferable, they're PREMAYS. the consensus is that in 2036, which is 50 years after 1986, all fully transferable (premays aren't fully transferable) will fall under the C&R criteria of being 50 years old. don't mean shit if its a parts gun or not, goes by age. now we'll see if the ATF goes along with this or tries to screw people....too much time for me to care right now. You know they will! Only way they won't is if we can get a huge majority into the house, senate, and an administration that believes what we believe and is that the BATFE is a joke along with every gun law made!! |
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(d) "Trigger activator" means a removable manual or power driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that, when attached to a firearm, the rate at which the trigger may be pulled increases and the rate of fire of the firearm increases to that of a machine gun. The catch phrase is "and rate of fire..." As I recall, the MN law does not consider the manually rotating BMF 10/22 trigger activators under this law. This type of device actually does not change rate of fire beyond what pulling the trigger can deliver in semi-auto mode. linky... |
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thats why bitterbastard said all TRANSFERABLE MGs. pre-mays aren't fully transferable, they're PREMAYS. the consensus is that in 2036, which is 50 years after 1986, all fully transferable (premays aren't fully transferable) will fall under the C&R criteria of being 50 years old. don't mean shit if its a parts gun or not, goes by age. now we'll see if the ATF goes along with this or tries to screw people....too much time for me to care right now. Right on! It is also worth noting that some MGs that were made in the 1980s which are transferable are deemed C&R even though they are not 50 years old. My West Hurly M1 Thompson SMG was made in 1984 or 1985, but because West Hurly built so few of them before the 1986 ban the ATF deemed the Thompsons to be C&R like the WWII Bridgeport, Savage or 1921/1928 Colts. |
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Quoted: Quoted: (d) "Trigger activator" means a removable manual or power driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that, when attached to a firearm, the rate at which the trigger may be pulled increases and the rate of fire of the firearm increases to that of a machine gun. The catch phrase is "and rate of fire..." As I recall, the MN law does not consider the manually rotating BMF 10/22 trigger activators under this law. This type of device actually does not change rate of fire beyond what pulling the trigger can deliver in semi-auto mode. linky... From that link: This innovative crank gives you the ability to fire your 10/22 or any semi-auto .22 cal. rifle or pistol faster than you could if you were just squeezing the trigger. Each complete crank of the handle fires the rifle four times, letting you achieve the maximum cyclic rate of fire. Activator is not designed for hunting applications. Go ahead and be the first test case |
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+1 for the C&R The list for C&R sub-machine guns gets updated by the BATFE. As said before, ya still need a form 4 So, the SMG must have been made prior to 1960 as well as NOT have been demiliterized. So, no going out and buying a chopped up STEN kit and putting a new receiver tube on it. That will only win you a free trip to ClubFed for 10 years. SMG M1 carbines, M3 grease guns, Thompsons, and REALLY old AKs. (I think there were some made in 1957) Personally, I'd rather have a 10 barrel crank operated gattling gun that shoots 22lr. Anything bigger would become ridiculously expensive to take out more than 2-3 times a year. Plus, the crank operated ones are NOT considered a machine gun. http://www.gatlingguns.net/images/gat3.jpg where do you find .22 gatlin guns or the plans to make? I've seen those twn 10/22 gatling gun conversions. I think Sportsman's Guide sells em. Pic of the Bugger ETA And then sir, make one of these!!! Dual guns with one trigger...Not legal in Minnesota. |