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10/13/2007 5:56:28 AM EDT
Has anyone renewed their CCW lately?  What is involved?  Do you have to take the course over again?  

Also, was wondering if you have to wait until it expires to renew it?

thanks
10/13/2007 6:59:48 AM EDT
[#1]
When I got mine renewed. I had to take the class again. It had been more then a year since I first took my ccw class but that was about 2 years ago.
I always wondered if an "advanced ccw" classes would qualify. So you could get better training instead of the stuff you already learned...
10/13/2007 7:46:34 AM EDT
[#2]
Did you have a MN permit that expired, or was close to expiring?
10/13/2007 9:12:23 AM EDT
[#3]
Minnesota permits to carry are good for 5-years as the law stands now.  Permits will usually have an expiration date listed on them.  You will need to take another course within the 12-months prior to making your renewal application.

CY6
Greg Sullivan "Sully"
SLR15 Rifles
TheDefensiveEdge.com
10/13/2007 10:13:14 AM EDT
[#4]
Do you know if you have to wait until your within the 12month period?  Mine expires in 2010.  I was thinking it might not be a bad idea to try and get it renewed in 2008.....prior to elections.  If the law stays, then I would have "wasted" 2 years of my permit.  If the law changes....and we lose the "shall issue" status but current valid and lawful permits are good until they expire, I just might "gain" 3 years of permit I might not otherwise be able to get.

10/13/2007 11:27:07 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Minnesota permits to carry are good for 5-years as the law stands now.  Permits will usually have an expiration date listed on them.  You will need to take another course within the 12-months prior to making your renewal application.


That's why I asked. Permits shouldn't start expiring until June 2008, and you can't renew until you are within 90 days of expiration.

If someone tells you they've renewed their permit, they're probably thinking about their drivers license...

10/14/2007 2:05:02 AM EDT
[#6]
The class requirements for a renewal are the same as for the original permit.  I suspect that some individual instructors may tweak the class for their own prior students perhaps, but there is no legislatively permitted short cut or update class provision.

Since the class must be taken within 12 months of the renewal application, and you can submit the renewal in the 90 day window prior to the stated expiration date, the practical effect is that  you could take the renewal class roughly 15 months prior to the expiration date (assuming you had the wherewithall to be certain you made the trip to the Sheriff to drop off the renewal application in a timely manner.)

I have seen several renewal applicants come through my classes already.  As of 10-1-07, there were about 49500 permit holders in Minnesota. It will be interesting to see  the % of renewals as they become eligible to renew.

10/22/2007 4:14:30 PM EDT
[#7]
Not to "highjack" the thread but just a quick question:

Are there any numbers that determine the number of "permit" holders that have been involded in a shooting compared to "non-permit" members of Minnesota before and after the new law came into affect?

Just curious and Thanks!
10/23/2007 5:03:38 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Not to "highjack" the thread but just a quick question:

Are there any numbers that determine the number of "permit" holders that have been involded in a shooting compared to "non-permit" members of Minnesota before and after the new law came into affect?

Just curious and Thanks!
I think that Andrew Rothman over at the <Link edited ............dpmmn>  might know or have access to that information.
10/23/2007 5:56:55 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Minnesota permits to carry are good for 5-years as the law stands now.  Permits will usually have an expiration date listed on them.  You will need to take another course within the 12-months prior to making your renewal application.

CY6
Greg Sullivan "Sully"
SLR15 Rifles
TheDefensiveEdge.com
Exactly.

I know when doing a 'Renewal' you need to take another course within the 12 months, but the strange thing I've found...  I've had my CCW since college, and I noticed that every single time that I've MOVED to a new apartment/address, I've had to update my permit & drivers license addresses.  Each time I've filed an 'Address Change' on my CCW Permit the 'NEW' permit I've recieved in the mail has a NEW EXPIRATION DATE on it that is good for 5 years from the address change date.

I thought that was strange, personally.
10/25/2007 5:33:54 AM EDT
[#10]
Strange.

I was told by a police officer that my CCW permit wasn't valid unless the address on my Driver's License, and the address on my CCW Permit were the same, and that I had to update the addresses on BOTH my CCW Permit and MN DL within about 30 days of moving to the new address...

I don't think/know if that's in the law or not, but I do know that's what I was told.  Every time I've changed addresses, I've had to go to the issuing sheriff's office and fill out a 'change of address' form, pay the $$, and show them my ID.  Usually less than 1 week later there's a new CCW Permit in the mail at the new address - I cut up my old CCW Permit, and enjoy the new permit with new signature, and new Renewal date (for another 5 years).

Personally, I really enjoy taking the handguns class, and I intend to take one within the next year again anyway, so it's somewhat of a non-issue.  Right now, wedding stuff (they're kind of expensive I hear), and other things are consuming most of the 'disposable' income though.

-inuhbad
10/25/2007 6:59:52 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Strange.

I don't think/know if that's in the law or not, but I do know that's what I was told.


Few people change their address on their DL until it expires, but it is state law that you have 30 days to update your address after moving.

www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/DriverLicense/moving.htm

I've only ever heard of one person getting in trouble for it...but he was a MN "resident", here from out of state for a management job he didn't intend to have yet by the time his out of state license expired.  Got in trouble when he got pulled over for speeding and gave the wrong answer about where he was going, which indicated to the local officer that he was technically a "MN resident".  Didn't help that his license was still marked suspended because the NJ court lost their paperwork on a previous ticket

Use an old address on your license at your own risk.
10/25/2007 7:09:58 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Strange.

I was told by a police officer that my CCW permit wasn't valid unless the address on my Driver's License, and the address on my CCW Permit were the same, and that I had to update the addresses on BOTH my CCW Permit and MN DL within about 30 days of moving to the new address...


-inuhbad
You were told wrong.  The MCPPA does NOT require that you have a permit with your current valid MN address on it.  I think it makes sense so as to avoid turning a 5 minute traffice stop into, well, a longer one.  But it is not required.

But, let's say you wanted to buy a handgun from a dealer ...if your DL and Permit to not match as to home address, I would bet some pretty good $$ that you will be unable to buy the gun from the dealer.  Of course, you could always get a free purchase permit after the move and save the $10.

10/25/2007 7:51:40 AM EDT
[#13]
Good points, P Horvick, but I'd rather pay the $10 and extend the 'life' of my permit (though it's not really an issue).

But it *DID* result in me spending ~25 minutes in handcuffs while sitting on the street curb, getting a lecture and a warrantless search by a UMPD officer.  

Quoted:
I've only ever heard of one person getting in trouble for it...
I've gotten a ticket for that (IIRC in the spring of '05) from UMPD (can ya tell they're not my favorite draconian style Department ).  It was later dropped (on the basis that I immediately update the address) when I challenged it downtown at the prosecutor's office (it had my 'Permanent Address' at my hometown when I was in college! That's BAAAAAAD!  ).

Funny, because (IIRC) it was THIS incident that caused my MN DL and my CCW Permit to *NOT* have the same address, later resulting in the 25 minute shakedown hassle...  
10/25/2007 9:32:44 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Good points, P Horvick, but I'd rather pay the $10 and extend the 'life' of my permit (though it's not really an issue).
I assume you do know that any extension due to a change in address is not supposed to happen.  It is a fluke.  That is not supposed to happen!  Nice when it did I suppose...
10/26/2007 4:56:35 AM EDT
[#15]
I'm a non-resident permit holder.  Wisconsin law doesn't require me to get a new DL when I change addresses within Wisconsin.  And MN CCW law doesn't require me to get a new card when I move, only that I notify the issuing sheriff.  So for several years there, the address on my DL matched the address on my CCW, but both addresses were not current.  So I was legal, and since they matched, it wouldn't cause a stir.  Since then, my WI DL has expired and been renewed, so now the addresses don't match.  Maye I should get a new CCW card and see if my expiration date gets extended 5 years.
10/26/2007 6:26:28 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I assume you do know that any extension due to a change in address is not supposed to happen.  It is a fluke.  That is not supposed to happen!  Nice when it did I suppose...
Yup.  It's a fluke.  But a Fluke that I enjoy...  It's nice that my issuing Sheriff does it though, and I presume it varies from one county to another.  
10/26/2007 6:25:06 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
You were told wrong.  The MCPPA does NOT require that you have a permit with your current valid MN address on it.  I think it makes sense so as to avoid turning a 5 minute traffice stop into, well, a longer one.  But it is not required.

But, let's say you wanted to buy a handgun from a dealer ...if your DL and Permit to not match as to home address, I would bet some pretty good $$ that you will be unable to buy the gun from the dealer.  Of course, you could always get a free purchase permit after the move and save the $10.




To help clarify this here is a quote from the statute:


Minnesota Statute 624.714
 Subd. 7a. Change of address; loss or destruction of permit. (a) Within 30 days after
changing permanent address, or within 30 days of having lost or destroyed the permit card, the permit holder must notify the issuing sheriff of the change, loss, or destruction. Failure to provide notification as required by this subdivision is a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25.

CY6
Greg Sullivan "Sully"
SLR15 Rifles
TheDefensiveEdge.com
10/26/2007 7:07:31 PM EDT
[#18]
Ugh.  Having to register with the police every time you move feels pretty Soviet to me.  Is this really what we want in this country?  Don't any of you consider this a giant infringement on your rights?

I have been contemplating get a MN CCW permit, but I don't need all the hassles and costs.  They grudgingly passed this thing, but it needs to be improved greatly.  
10/28/2007 5:19:12 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Ugh.  Having to register with the police every time you move feels pretty Soviet to me.  Is this really what we want in this country?  Don't any of you consider this a giant infringement on your rights?

I have been contemplating get a MN CCW permit, but I don't need all the hassles and costs.  They grudgingly passed this thing, but it needs to be improved greatly.  


How often do you move?  You have to get a new driver's license or there is a fine for that as well.
10/28/2007 6:23:09 PM EDT
[#20]
FYI,

Minnesot Statute 171.11 DUPLICATE LICENSE; CHANGE OF DOMICILE OR NAME.
When any person, after applying for or receiving a driver's license, shall change permanent domicile from the address named in such application or in the license issued to the person, or shall change a name by marriage or otherwise, such person shall, within 30 days thereafter, apply for a duplicate driver's license upon a form furnished by the department and pay the required fee. The application or duplicate license shall show both the licensee's old address and new address or the former name and new name as the case may be.


CY6
Greg Sullivan "Sully"
SLR15 Rifles
TheDefensiveEdge.com