Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login
Posted: 2/3/2006 10:54:51 PM EDT
Just curious what the Minnesota members use?


I am looking for Suggestions.


Is the Federal TRU stuff any good?
223A = Hi-Shok Soft Point
223D = Sierra Hollow Point
223E = Sierra Boat Tail Hollow Point
223F = Nosler Ballistic Tip
223L = Hi-Shock Soft Point

Any other thoughts?
Or is Federal XM193 5.56 good enough?
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 1:11:00 AM EDT
I really like the Nosler ballistic tip. Even though I only have it in .308. Besides regular surplus ammo that I keep loaded in mags at all times I keep one 20 rounder filled with TAP ammo. Although its pretty much useless if I had to defend myself with it since my AR's are always in the safe. Thats where the .357 Magnum with Hydrashocks comes in handy.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:27:40 AM EDT
I have a small stash of T223E. It seems to be good stuff. I haven't tried it in the new rifle yet, but I could shoot MOA with it in my other one. It appears to be loaded in military brass, and sealed, but is match grade quality. I'm sure fedgunner will be along shortly to fill you in with all the details. In the mean time you can check this out. I think they also have a balistic gelatin test on their web page somewhere.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:23:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
Just curious what the Minnesota members use?


I am looking for Suggestions.


Is the Federal TRU stuff any good?
223A = Hi-Shok Soft Point
223D = Sierra Hollow Point
223E = Sierra Boat Tail Hollow Point
223F = Nosler Ballistic Tip
223L = Hi-Shock Soft Point

Any other thoughts?
Or is Federal XM193 5.56 good enough?



Federal XM193 for me.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:35:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/4/2006 4:36:12 AM EDT by GoBlue]
I just picked up some Black Hills 68gr match to try out.
Other than that, its usually 00 buck in the boom stick or XM193.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:08:17 AM EDT
Federal TRU for me
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 8:03:44 AM EDT
Thanks For the Info.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:31:55 PM EDT
Sierra 77gr OTM here.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:46:01 PM EDT
I suggest the kind that feeds through your magazine the best, because you know how those Minnesota zombies can get if your weapon jams.



Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:23:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/4/2006 6:23:24 PM EDT by XDBACKUPGUN]
Can you believe some of the people on this board.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 9:04:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:18:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:

Originally Posted By NAKED-GUNMAN:
I suggest the kind that feeds through your magazine the best, because you know how those Minnesota zombies can get if your weapon jams.









He is just Harrassing me.....Gloftoe is taking care of him.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:24:46 AM EDT
I hate to even think about self defense, if I had to I would.
I prefer the green tip S&B, the black tip Basnean(sp)
this UAE cheap stuff.
Shit, the wwb will go through 1/4 inch cast iron. I have never tried this over priced name brand ammo.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:33:28 AM EDT
Black Hills 75Gr OTM (no issues in 1/9 16")

IMI 193 / Win Q3131 (backup)

Mark
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:10:42 PM EDT
I use Federal/ATK 50 Gr. Frangible, but I am in an urban environment where an overpenetrating bullet could go through 3 or 4 houses. Cheaper than TAP and the soft point stuff, too.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 10:26:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
I use Federal/ATK 50 Gr. Frangible, but I am in an urban environment where an overpenetrating bullet could go through 3 or 4 houses. Cheaper than TAP and the soft point stuff, too.



Huh?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 10:29:43 PM EDT
Black Hills 68gr OTM

I have some TAP #80265 75gr BTHP, but I haven't gotten out to see if it will shoot through my rife yet.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 4:53:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hollywood304:

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
I use Federal/ATK 50 Gr. Frangible, but I am in an urban environment where an overpenetrating bullet could go through 3 or 4 houses. Cheaper than TAP and the soft point stuff, too.



Huh?



Which part didn't you understand?

I use FRANGIBLE ammunition so as not to overpenetrate my thin walls and kill the neighbors.

It is less expensive than TAP or other soft point ammo as well, and feeds effectively.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 7:36:27 AM EDT
Federal TRU for me, shoots very well in my weapon............ even if it is wolferized.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 8:48:42 AM EDT

I use FRANGIBLE ammunition so as not to overpenetrate my thin walls and kill the neighbors.


Too bad that in your neighborhood, that wouldn't be a bad thing...
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:01:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:

Originally Posted By Hollywood304:

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
I use Federal/ATK 50 Gr. Frangible, but I am in an urban environment where an overpenetrating bullet could go through 3 or 4 houses. Cheaper than TAP and the soft point stuff, too.



Huh?



Which part didn't you understand?

I use FRANGIBLE ammunition so as not to overpenetrate my thin walls and kill the neighbors.

It is less expensive than TAP or other soft point ammo as well, and feeds effectively.



The beauty of the .223/5.56 round is that it does not overpenetrate. Whether it is 55 gr FMJ or even up to the 75 & 77gr bullets, they still will penetrate less than handgun caliber bullets, especially after going through walls. The only ones that have issues with excessive penetration are the Federal 62gr TBBC, and maybe the M855.

The 50gr is maybe a little light as it will not have very deep penetration through tissue, especially if it were from the side.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:27:51 PM EDT
Useful links regarding walls and bullets:

The Original Box O' Truth

Rifles, Shotguns, and Walls

Insulated Walls

Everything at this site is pretty cool: The Box O' Truth
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 5:53:54 PM EDT
TRU dat
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 7:48:46 PM EDT
Hollywood304, just to let you know, this is what is found on the Box O' Truth website:


quoted from the Box O' Truth:

Lessons learned:

1. Sheetrock (drywall) doesn't slow any round down much. If you shoot in the house, walls will not stop any serious round.

2. Twelve pine boards will not stop a .223 round.

3. Shooting stuff is fun.



The original question of this thread was "what type of defensive ammo do you use in your AR15?"

I'm still using frangible just to be on the safe side Defending myself is important, but knowing what's beyond your target is just as important.

BTW, MNaloxone, how do you know my neighbors?

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 7:49:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FedGunner:
TRU dat



Fedgunner, what would YOU know about terminal ballistics?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:22:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Hollywood304, just to let you know, this is what is found on the Box O' Truth website:


quoted from the Box O' Truth:

Lessons learned:

1. Sheetrock (drywall) doesn't slow any round down much. If you shoot in the house, walls will not stop any serious round.

2. Twelve pine boards will not stop a .223 round.

3. Shooting stuff is fun.



The original question of this thread was "what type of defensive ammo do you use in your AR15?"

I'm still using frangible just to be on the safe side Defending myself is important, but knowing what's beyond your target is just as important.

BTW, MNaloxone, how do you know my neighbors?




It was the comment about going through 3-4 houses that I was questioning.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 5:19:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/8/2006 5:24:30 AM EDT by mcnielsen]
Well, 12 pine boards, divided by 3 equals 4 layers a .223 bullet might pass through in 3 houses. A heavier bullet might go through more...

ETA: Might. Not saying it would happen, but I'm not willing to take that chance in court if it came to that.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 6:57:32 AM EDT
Self defense ammo?

If someone ever breaks into my house, I'll just chain him to the hot water heater, coat him in gasoline, and set him on fire.

That'll learn him.



No, really, right now I have a couple mags of Q3131A as just-in-case...but my primary in-house go-to is an M1 Carbine loaded with softpoints.

Link Posted: 2/8/2006 8:50:43 AM EDT
I use my 50 BMG API so I can be shure to stop them if they have several vests on CYA.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 10:36:02 AM EDT
Heres another option.




Link Posted: 2/8/2006 10:38:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mcnielsen:
Well, 12 pine boards, divided by 3 equals 4 layers a .223 bullet might pass through in 3 houses. A heavier bullet might go through more...

ETA: Might. Not saying it would happen, but I'm not willing to take that chance in court if it came to that.



"Acceptable Collateral Damage"

What would have been interesting in their testing, would have been to construct the walls more like an actual house, with studs spaced differently throughout the different walls, maybe some wiring, paint or wallpaper (not sure what kind of difference that would make), siding on last wall. Also, it would have been beneficial to have gelatin to see what penetration depths ther would have been after going through the walls. From, the testing that I have read in magazines at work, the .223 does not penetrate very deep after going through only one wall.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 6:17:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 1:34:49 PM EDT
TRU dat.
Link Posted: 2/13/2006 5:06:15 PM EDT


no rifles will be fired in my house.........shotty.


Top Top