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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:29:52 PM EDT
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Just need to put the disclaimer out there, do your own research. Don’t trust masked. That’ll be it from me about this guy. I’m not going to get anymore involved. He’s already showed his hand by googling me and trying to dox me.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:31:38 PM EDT
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Just need to put the disclaimer out there, do your own research. Don’t trust masked. That’ll be it from me about this guy. I’m not going to get anymore involved. He’s already showed his hand by googling me and trying to dox me. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:32:45 PM EDT
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This may be a dumb question. Is it legal to purchase an AK47 style other?
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:33:41 PM EDT
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I never said it was. I offered a PERSONAL opinion based on the information I've received. We designed our Other Weapon WITH Atf and SLFU. I took a different approach and stayed directly between the lines. It was and is an informed decision for our product. I have an account with SB - We sell the SBM4 direct. SB tactical are awesome people. If I thought putting an SBA-3 on our product was the right way to go, it'd be there. I don't so, it's not. You don't have to buy from me. You don't have to purchase what I say. I'm not God. That being said, liability isn't on us anymore...As of Tuesday, I don't quite care what you do. If the ATF randomly changes their mind next week - That sounds like a YOU problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yeah that's a load of bullshit. The SBA3 has been out for a while now and we have the SBA4 too. Neither of them were the first to be adjustable by the user. Magpul is coming out with theirs is that is also adjustable. Your ATF agent isn't the law. We designed our Other Weapon WITH Atf and SLFU. I took a different approach and stayed directly between the lines. It was and is an informed decision for our product. I have an account with SB - We sell the SBM4 direct. SB tactical are awesome people. If I thought putting an SBA-3 on our product was the right way to go, it'd be there. I don't so, it's not. You don't have to buy from me. You don't have to purchase what I say. I'm not God. That being said, liability isn't on us anymore...As of Tuesday, I don't quite care what you do. If the ATF randomly changes their mind next week - That sounds like a YOU problem. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doxing is not cool |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:37:46 PM EDT
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This may be a dumb question. Is it legal to purchase an AK47 style other? |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:38:22 PM EDT
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This may be a dumb question. Is it legal to purchase an AK47 style other? https://www.redplanetarsenal.com/ |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:39:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly it isn’t an issue for me. Like I said. Same username for everything. Wish the mods would see it though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly it isn’t an issue for me. Like I said. Same username for everything. Wish the mods would see it though. You literally said unless he googled my name. I'm an FFL, my name and address are google-able. What's the problem? Quoted: Alright dude I get it. But you really need to quit a fear mongering. Making an other is not rocket science. I apologize that it was seen this way. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:41:07 PM EDT
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This may be a dumb question. Is it legal to purchase an AK47 style other? |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:41:33 PM EDT
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I don't give this thread long before its nuked. Anyone have anymore popcorn? I ran out.  
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:41:45 PM EDT
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This may be a dumb question. Is it legal to purchase an AK47 style other? Long answer is everything but the 7.62 x39 is good to go. But then madsmith is making them in that caliber. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:48:25 PM EDT
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What the fuck is doxing? You literally said unless he googled my name. I'm an FFL, my name and address are google-able. What's the problem? I'm not attempting to fear monger. I apologize that it was seen this way. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:50:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly it isn’t an issue for me. Like I said. Same username for everything. Wish the mods would see it though. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted. What did I allegedly do that was a problem? Acting like the victim when you aggravate the situation, is really kind of sick... |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:52:19 PM EDT
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This may be a dumb question. Is it legal to purchase an AK47 style other? 
Sec. 53a-3. Definitions. "(19) “Firearm” means any sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver or other weapon, whether loaded or unloaded from which a shot may be discharged;" 
State v. Kalman And for shits and giggles lets toss this out there. 
And for even more shits and giggles. The Copy/Duplicates any such rifles test SLFU put out there. 
"(16) “Rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger;" "(18) “Pistol” or “revolver” means any firearm having a barrel less than twelve inches;" Posted edited and updated with additional links |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 6:57:13 PM EDT
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What the fuck is doxing? You literally said unless he googled my name. I'm an FFL, my name and address are google-able. What's the problem? posting it on this or any forum is not cool. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:02:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Um doing that is not cool!
posting it on this or any forum is not cool. Quote HistoryQuoted:Um doing that is not cool!
posting it on this or any forum is not cool. He asked if someone had googled it. Quoted:
I am, I have no idea how he would have my name unless he googled my username here. I have no idea who he is. I'm incredibly confused. What the fuck is doxing? Was googling it wrong? Why the fuck was it there to begin with? |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:04:04 PM EDT
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What the fuck is doxing?  From Wikipedia:
Doxing
Doxing, or doxxing, is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting private or identifying information about an individual or organization. The methods employed to acquire this information include searching publicly available databases and social media websites, hacking, and social engineering. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:05:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:05:31 PM EDT
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The more you know. From Wikipedia:
Doxing
Doxing, or doxxing, is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting private or identifying information about an individual or organization. The methods employed to acquire this information include searching publicly available databases and social media websites, hacking, and social engineering. Well, I fucked up then. Wasn't done to be malicious. I'll go back and fix it. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:08:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:09:54 PM EDT
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Oh. Well, I fucked up then. Wasn't done to be malicious. I'll go back and fix it. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:17:36 PM EDT
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Do you guys argue about getting free beer?
I might hold off on a lower for a few more weeks and see how things go. I will in the meantime build a 12.5 for my current “other” |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:18:45 PM EDT
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Do you guys argue about getting free beer?
I might hold off on a lower for a few more weeks and see how things go. I will in the meantime build a 12.5 for my current “other” |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:18:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:20:24 PM EDT
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Do you guys argue about getting free beer?
I might hold off on a lower for a few more weeks and see how things go. I will in the meantime build a 12.5 for my current “other” |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:23:07 PM EDT
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Do you guys argue about getting free beer?
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:23:29 PM EDT
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Coors latte
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:40:11 PM EDT
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I have resorted to pop chips since I am out of popcorn but Ill certainly take free beer.
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:01:25 PM EDT
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I have resorted to pop chips since I am out of popcorn but Ill certainly take free beer. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:12:45 PM EDT
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I'm hear four the gang bang
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:14:38 PM EDT
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My rear four the gang bang |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:14:51 PM EDT
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I'm hear four the gang bang |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:18:27 PM EDT
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Never forgive. Never forget. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:22:54 PM EDT
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LOL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My rear four the gang bang 
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:33:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:37:03 PM EDT
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It was a joke Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:42:17 PM EDT
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My billet lowers shipped ....
Now to trade some shit to get some uppers |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:56:21 PM EDT
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Of course. Who is giving away the beer? Is it really free? Are they licensed to do so? Does the ATF (you know since Alcohol is their preview) or state say its legal? What kind of beer is it? You know all the important things to argue (and bitch and moan) over. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you guys argue about getting free beer?
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Posted: 2/18/2020 9:02:55 PM EDT
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He’s using the red letters.
We’re all fucked. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 9:12:45 PM EDT
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Here's a question.
Lets say this whole thing sticks and no one gets arrested for messing up. Etc. What will this do to the preban market. Others already hurt them once. Being able to build your own now from scratch and not have to eat a 20% excise + insurance tax makes others the way tk go for a build that gets as close as possible to "the real thing". |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 9:14:28 PM EDT
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Here's a question. Lets say this whole thing sticks and no one gets arrested for messing up. Etc. What will this do to the preban market. Others already hurt them once. Being able to build your own now from scratch and not have to eat a 20% excise + insurance tax makes others the way tk go for a build that gets as close as possible to "the real thing". |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 9:15:17 PM EDT
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Here's a question. Lets say this whole thing sticks and no one gets arrested for messing up. Etc. What will this do to the preban market. Others already hurt them once. Being able to build your own now from scratch and not have to eat a 20% excise + insurance tax makes others the way tk go for a build that gets as close as possible to "the real thing". |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 12:28:56 PM EDT
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I'll throw some gas on this fire...
I understand that federal and state laws are cumulative; meaning you have to comply with both simultaneously. I also understand that the State and feds have different legal definitions of various firearms. So...why do we put fore grips on our "others" here? It's not required to skirt any state definitions. If one were to build a braced, 12.5" other without the fore grip, it's still an other according to the state. Federally, it would be defined as a pistol. You would not be in violation of any law. Discuss.... |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 1:51:58 PM EDT
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I'll throw some gas on this fire... I understand that federal and state laws are cumulative; meaning you have to comply with both simultaneously. I also understand that the State and feds have different legal definitions of various firearms. So...why do we put fore grips on our "others" here? It's not required to skirt any state definitions. If one were to build a braced, 12.5" other without the fore grip, it's still an other according to the state. Federally, it would be defined as a pistol. You would not be in violation of any law. Discuss....
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Posted: 2/19/2020 2:35:00 PM EDT
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I'll throw some gas on this fire... I understand that federal and state laws are cumulative; meaning you have to comply with both simultaneously. I also understand that the State and feds have different legal definitions of various firearms. So...why do we put fore grips on our "others" here? It's not required to skirt any state definitions. If one were to build a braced, 12.5" other without the fore grip, it's still an other according to the state. Federally, it would be defined as a pistol. You would not be in violation of any law. Discuss.... |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 3:11:46 PM EDT
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So...why do we put fore grips on our "others" here? It's not required to skirt any state definitions. If one were to build a braced, 12.5" other without the fore grip, it's still an other according to the state. Federally, it would be defined as a pistol. You would not be in violation of any law. I remember back when the Freedom Shoppe first started selling others, they didn't have a fore-grip. They'd put one on and transfer to you as an AOW (I guess for a little piece of mind that it's status was defined?). I think the fore-grip addition just stuck as SOP. Also, by putting the fore-grip on, being that we've already met the 26" rule, it's not a pistol, but just a "firearm". |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 3:44:18 PM EDT
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You don't have to. I remember back when the Freedom Shoppe first started selling others, they didn't have a fore-grip. They'd put one on and transfer to you as an AOW (I guess for a little piece of mind that it's status was defined?). I think the fore-grip addition just stuck as SOP. Also, by putting the fore-grip on, being that we've already met the 26" rule, it's not a pistol, but just a "firearm". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So...why do we put fore grips on our "others" here? It's not required to skirt any state definitions. If one were to build a braced, 12.5" other without the fore grip, it's still an other according to the state. Federally, it would be defined as a pistol. You would not be in violation of any law. I remember back when the Freedom Shoppe first started selling others, they didn't have a fore-grip. They'd put one on and transfer to you as an AOW (I guess for a little piece of mind that it's status was defined?). I think the fore-grip addition just stuck as SOP. Also, by putting the fore-grip on, being that we've already met the 26" rule, it's not a pistol, but just a "firearm". |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 4:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The addition of the forward grip to make sure the ATF doesn't view it as a pistol since it is designed to be fired with 2 hands. But, getting it away from pistol designation, both state and federally, is good. |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 5:25:25 PM EDT
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Sorry if I come to this discussion late. I've started an deleted a few other posts on this topic, not wanting to get sucked into the rhetoric. However I've read it all because I try to always keep myself informed with our shooting sports and the convoluted mis-mash of rules called "laws" in this state. I'm still confused. To my mind there is nothing stopping anyone from making a full-bore AR15 from these "other" lowers, period. Who's going to know? Really?
You would think the state would require a suffix like the letter "P" affixed to any lower sold after the ar15 rifle were outlawed. That would make it easier for them to determine if any particular lower was sold exclusively as an "other". My other question; who's to know or be able to determine if a new, higher quality lower designated for an "other" was swapped for an older, less attractive rifle lower. They look identical (except for markings) and contain all identical parts. In the field, there would be no way to determine if any particular "other" lower was being used incorrectly. And, in reality, what freakin difference would it make. As long as you didn't end up with two AR15s but had one AR15 and one "other" it all comes out in the wash, right? This all seems to me like a huge boondoggle......just like the AK47 ban. Finally what's going to happen when the first "other" gets used in a crime? How will the state address that? I can see Lamont stuttering... "Well, it's not an AR15 but an 'other". An other? What's that? How could they exist after the ban on the ar15??? Dumb and dumber I swear. I have no issue with the "other". If they float your boat go for it. I'm just saying it's going to be a shitstorm. |
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