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Posted: 4/15/2020 2:04:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AOW stamp is only needed if the firearm is <26" AND has a vertical grip Also, if you are Form 1ing an AOW, the stamp cost is $200, not $5 like when you buy an AOW direct from an FFL/SOT Yes, and if you're building a new CT other (which is what this thread is about doing) on a new lower, you have to have a vertical grip, which is why you have to have the AOW stamp if you put a folding brace on an other and your length, when folded is less than 26". I never mentioned the $5 AOW stamp, that's only if you're buying something that's already built as an AOW, and you'll have to wait a lot longer than e-filing a form 1 AOW stamp for $200. In your situation with a preban pistol lower, you don't need the vertical front grip to build the gun, and you can also use barrels shorter than 12", but a CT "other" cannot be built like that. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 2:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, and if you're building a new CT other (which is what this thread is about doing) on a new lower, you have to have a vertical grip, which is why you have to have the AOW stamp if you put a folding brace on an other and your length, when folded is less than 26". I never mentioned the $5 AOW stamp, that's only if you're buying something that's already built as an AOW, and you'll have to wait a lot longer than e-filing a form 1 AOW stamp for $200. In your situation with a preban pistol lower, you don't need the vertical front grip to build the gun, and you can also use barrels shorter than 12", but a CT "other" cannot be built like that. I was just bringing light to the fact that doing an AOW yourself is a whole different cost expenditure than like when Freedom Shoppe was offering AOWs. Additionally, there is no written part of CT law requiring a vertical grip. The vertical grip is monkey see monkey do. But people can do as they please. |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 2:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was just bringing light to the fact that doing an AOW yourself is a whole different cost expenditure than like when Freedom Shoppe was offering AOWs. Additionally, there is no written part of CT law requiring a vertical grip. The vertical grip is monkey see monkey do. But people can do as they please. Yeah, I've struggled to find anything written anywhere requiring the vertical grip, but it certainly does seem generally accepted to have it...it doesn't bug me to have it (I have one on my preban SBR because I like having it). A TAC-14 or Shockwave is technically the same classification right? Nobody puts VFG's on them to sell them in CT. Red Planet builds AOW's that you can order with a $5 stamp...you just have to wait however long it takes for that to be approved by the ATF. Probably just as long as buying a silencer? |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 2:42:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I've struggled to find anything written anywhere requiring the vertical grip, but it certainly does seem generally accepted to have it...it doesn't bug me to have it (I have one on my preban SBR because I like having it). A TAC-14 or Shockwave is technically the same classification right? Nobody puts VFG's on them to sell them in CT. Red Planet builds AOW's that you can order with a $5 stamp...you just have to wait however long it takes for that to be approved by the ATF. Probably just as long as buying a silencer? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was just bringing light to the fact that doing an AOW yourself is a whole different cost expenditure than like when Freedom Shoppe was offering AOWs. Additionally, there is no written part of CT law requiring a vertical grip. The vertical grip is monkey see monkey do. But people can do as they please. Yeah, I've struggled to find anything written anywhere requiring the vertical grip, but it certainly does seem generally accepted to have it...it doesn't bug me to have it (I have one on my preban SBR because I like having it). A TAC-14 or Shockwave is technically the same classification right? Nobody puts VFG's on them to sell them in CT. Red Planet builds AOW's that you can order with a $5 stamp...you just have to wait however long it takes for that to be approved by the ATF. Probably just as long as buying a silencer?  I like the Tac-14 point. Quick, delete the thread! LolI wish Dan was here to show us his anatomically ergonomic vertical grip   |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 5:00:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Incorrect, unless the piston design uses some sort of captured buffer system in the upper and a non-traditonal BCG they require a standard AR buffer system. I personally have a Taiwanese T91 12.5" upper on a pre-ban pistol lower. In order to have a no buffer tube and normal functionality you'd need something like a MCX upper and pic rail stock/brace adapter ($$$$$ but very nice), or if you want a shorter buffer tube, there are kits from the likes of Deadfoot (also $$$$) but I don't see the allure there. I did something a little unique and hard to notice. I used the LWRC UCIW compact buffer system and modified the SBa3 to fit (cut it shorter) the tube. Took about an inch off compared to a regular carbine setup. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401569/IMG_20181001_120706-01-689221.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Am I correct that using a piston driven upper shortens the overall legal length in an other build since the buffer tube is not necessary ? Was looking at the wolf piston 12.5" 556 uppers that century just got in. I did something a little unique and hard to notice. I used the LWRC UCIW compact buffer system and modified the SBa3 to fit (cut it shorter) the tube. Took about an inch off compared to a regular carbine setup. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401569/IMG_20181001_120706-01-689221.jpg That looks very nice and have a pistol receiver that is waiting. The question was for my cousins other build. Thank You |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 6:09:16 PM EDT
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Good news- it only took 5months for a form 4
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Posted: 4/15/2020 7:10:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good news- it only took 5months for a form 4 Nice I got stuff in atf jail |
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Posted: 4/16/2020 8:24:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good news- it only took 5months for a form 4 Wow that's nuts. Last time I did a couple cans it was like 13 months. I have a couple more down at the dealer I haven't submitted yet. Was going to stop down this week or next week and do it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2020 1:49:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good news- it only took 5months for a form 4 Is that individual or trust? I'm going on 8 months right now. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 11:38:07 AM EDT
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Anyone done a 10/22 charger other?
Thinking something like a 500 Shockwave but actually enjoyable to shoot |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 1:04:49 PM EDT
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I just got a stamp back in 68 days. There seems to be zero consistency.
ETA: Form 4 can. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 2:58:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just got a stamp back in 68 days. There seems to be zero consistency. ETA: Form 4 can. Trust or individual? Wow, I wonder if I should call Delta and see if my stamp is sitting there. Or maybe call the ATF branch for an update? (I haven't called once this time around) I don't even know which ATF branch to call anymore. It's been a while between form 4 submissions. |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 3:32:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trust or individual? Wow, I wonder if I should call Delta and see if my stamp is sitting there. Or maybe call the ATF branch for an update? (I haven't called once this time around) I don't even know which ATF branch to call anymore. It's been a while between form 4 submissions. Individual |
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Posted: 4/21/2020 10:29:05 PM EDT
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Individual
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Posted: 4/21/2020 11:20:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone done a 10/22 charger other? Thinking something like a 500 Shockwave but actually enjoyable to shoot They make Shockwaves in 20ga..... |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 8:41:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2020 8:46:42 AM EDT
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That's what I thought. I'll just keep twirling my thumbs.
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Posted: 4/22/2020 9:14:57 AM EDT
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How many of you doing 80%'rs for your others?
Have you used the state's new form? Asking for a friend, seriously. |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 9:28:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes- I used one for sbs https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/222795/78DFB6F9-6116-49DE-BE06-54DFFA218B1B_jpe-1380410.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They make Shockwaves in 20ga..... Yes- I used one for sbs https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/222795/78DFB6F9-6116-49DE-BE06-54DFFA218B1B_jpe-1380410.JPG That’s pretty awesome. Needs a +1 extension to be perfect. |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 9:42:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s pretty awesome. Needs a +1 extension to be perfect. I was unable to find a +1 mag extension for the 20ga so i will cut the barrel flush in the future |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:07:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They make Shockwaves in 20ga..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anyone done a 10/22 charger other? Thinking something like a 500 Shockwave but actually enjoyable to shoot They make Shockwaves in 20ga.....  Are u really comparing the recoil of a 22 with that of a 20ga. |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:19:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes- I used one for sbs https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/222795/78DFB6F9-6116-49DE-BE06-54DFFA218B1B_jpe-1380410.JPG I really want to do a 20ga SBS. Been eyeing up a Model 11 at my LGS. Good price and the owner has always been good w/ me on trades. |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:35:33 AM EDT
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I have a model 11 sbs- it’s cool but is such an outdated system. It’s not tons of fun to shoot but that’s just my opinion. I would like a semi 20 ga to sbs
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:39:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not tons of fun to shoot but that’s just my opinion. For what reasons? Jamming, recoil, gas? |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:41:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For what reasons? Jamming, recoil, gas? Recoil. The gun also tends to beat itself and the user up- cracked for grips are common ant that is from the gun beating itself up More than likely the gun needs to be serviced and a part replaced- that would fix the fore grip issue. I don’t care for the recoil |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 10:53:38 AM EDT
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@nutter
Thx. I did a bunch of reading on it, because I had an opportunity to get an older (great shape) Browning A5 12ga, for free. Everyone said the Model 11 had a better recoil system and didn't get beat-up and I figured the 20ga would also be quieter and funner to shoot SBS. Hence, why I was going down that path. Plus, the SBS look, of either of those, is just cool. But, you're saying the Mossberg is just better, overall? |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 11:30:25 AM EDT
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I think an A5 in 20 would be awesome. Hell I say do both. I was just stating my opinions on the guns. If you have an A5- do it. If you want a model 11 - do it. Build em all , this is Murcia
As a side note- I am not a big shotgun guy |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 1:00:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are u really comparing the recoil of a 22 with that of a 20ga. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anyone done a 10/22 charger other? Thinking something like a 500 Shockwave but actually enjoyable to shoot They make Shockwaves in 20ga..... Are u really comparing the recoil of a 22 with that of a 20ga. No. You mentioned that a Shockwave in 12ga is unpleasant for you to shoot. I recommended the 20ga variant thinking you might like it. |
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Posted: 4/22/2020 2:12:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. You mentioned that a Shockwave in 12ga is unpleasant for you to shoot. I recommended the 20ga variant thinking you might like it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anyone done a 10/22 charger other? Thinking something like a 500 Shockwave but actually enjoyable to shoot They make Shockwaves in 20ga..... Are u really comparing the recoil of a 22 with that of a 20ga. No. You mentioned that a Shockwave in 12ga is unpleasant for you to shoot. I recommended the 20ga variant thinking you might like it. In all fairness 20 is less than 22 so the recoil should also be less... amiright? 
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Posted: 4/22/2020 2:57:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Recoil. The gun also tends to beat itself and the user up- cracked for grips are common ant that is from the gun beating itself up More than likely the gun needs to be serviced and a part replaced- that would fix the fore grip issue. I don't care for the recoil It was like the HBCC of shotguns
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