[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Not Registering ANYTHING!!! (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 12/19/2013 7:11:16 PM EDT
| I like to throw this question out there. Does anyone know someone who is not complying with the new laws and not registering anything? I know someone who said to me the other day that he isn't registering anything because he said rebellion is what brought this country freedom and he also said the paperwork looks like a pain in the ass. He makes some good points. I am all registered but he put his foot down. Have you or someone you know said F-this I'm not registering? I heard that in the past non-compliance is usually 80-90% when it comes to assualt weapons registration. Also I thought I would have been happy to send my forms off bit instead I got a feeling of regret and uneasiness. Kind of like I lost some freedom. Which I did. It was weird |
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Yes. More than a handful. And I respect the hell out of them for it.
But I do believe that more people are registering this time around than before. Part of that is more information is out there, the other part is that there is more "sheep" type thinking out there. I shoot often and currently do not have the resources to fight any weapons charges. I will be registering. I do not believe that this will result in a confiscation, but understand that the threat is potentially there. If it comes to confiscation, they are not getting mine. |
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Its one of those things that we're best keeping quiet about. I do support anyone who's not registering though. I just hope they never get caught. Here's one thing though.. you gotta figure that unless those people acquired their AW(s) through private transfer, the state police are going to have a record/copy of their CT gun store purchases. So maybe that gun owner who didn't register could say " I sold mine through private transfer a while back before the law was passed" if ever questioned about it. But what if that person has a pattern of buying AW's from CT gun stores throughout the years? What if the records show that on a consistent basis, that person bought at least 1 "AW" every couple years for the past 10-15 years? Its not like the police are gonna believe that that person just suddenly gave up on gun owning and sold all their shit because they saw a new law coming. They're always gonna suspect that person of still having at least most, if not all of those guns still. And who knows where the fascists take it from there with their suspicion and investigation?
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| You have to remember Malloy's interview with Chaz and AJ where he said " you got to keep your guns right" so he definitely was pushing for us turning them in. I respect everyone who is not registering. But you're right in saying they already have most if this on paper anyways unless it was a private transfer but they don't have the money manpower to police us all. It was a feel good Law that's not going to do anything to make us safer. One thing I do know that even if it comes down to confiscation, they will never get mine. |
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You have to remember Malloy's interview with Chaz and AJ where he said " you got to keep your guns right" so he definitely was pushing for us turning them in. I respect everyone who is not registering. But you're right in saying they already have most if this on paper anyways unless it was a private transfer but they don't have the money manpower to police us all. It was a feel good Law that's not going to do anything to make us safer. One thing I do know that even if it comes down to confiscation, they will never get mine. Confiscation was never really on the table. It was a fear tactic. Confiscation would had been impossible. |
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Quoted: You have to remember Malloy's interview with Chaz and AJ where he said " you got to keep your guns right" so he definitely was pushing for us turning them in. I respect everyone who is not registering. But you're right in saying they already have most if this on paper anyways unless it was a private transfer but they don't have the money manpower to police us all. It was a feel good Law that's not going to do anything to make us safer. One thing I do know that even if it comes down to confiscation, they will never get mine. And I'll just add this… I firmly believe anyone who gets caught will not likely get convicted of anything if they don't have a prior record and they owned the gun prior to 4/13, but that person will still get arrested and definitely lose their seized AW permanently with no chance of ever getting another one within CT. Also, let's just say the police find a person in possession of an AW. They obviously will take the AW away, but will they take all the other (non-AW) guns away that that person owns while the charge is pending? I find it hard to believe that the state would allow someone to keep their permit or other guns while they have an "illegal possession of AW" charge pending against them. Its just some shit to think about. Best thing to do if you're not gonna register is move at least some (or all) of your shit outta state, same thing I said right before the law was passed. |
| I know more who aren't then are. Of the one's who aren't, some are exempt, some aren't out of principle but most don't understand the law. Of the one's that are, some are exempt but are doing it anyways, other's feel that they have more to lose if caught, even if not prosecuted to the full extent of the law (damage to reputations, impact on family, etc). It's a tough choice for everyone, no matter what their position and I don't give any of them any grief about thier choice. Time will tell what the right answer was... |
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I've talked to more guys who are tossing their 11+ mags and replacing them with 10 rounders for the few hi-cap handguns they have. They're just not going to go through the declaration forms for one or two magazines.
Allow me offer this about confiscation. During the deliberations, It was most certainly on the table and it was being considered. It wasn't just a ploy. The reason it didn't go anywhere was that even the proponents knew that the courts would have handed them a defeat. Rather, they are taking this less confrontational but incremental step toward confiscation by requiring a registration/declaration of assorted AWs and their magazine. So, at the end of the day they'll have a pretty good picture about who has what all in one place. Right now the information is out there but diffused between departments. The registraiton puts all the relevant data in one office. They're not going through this exercise for no reason. They want/need to know where black rifles are. This data will be used at some date in the future. They'll find a way to outlaw the EBR eventually. They won't go with a mass grab, however. They will pick the low hanging fruit: those who may not have properly identified their hardware or have something in their background to not allow a renewal of their permit. It'll be quiet and barely reported. But, eventually, they will pare down the quantity of AWs in this state. I mean, WHY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE? Why do you think the state is spending money they don't have to find out where the firearms are? It doesn't require a lot of thinking to realize why. This is a foregone conclusion. How and why they will do it is anyone's guess. It could be with some "emergency declaration" similar to New Orleans only statewide that does it. We just don't know. And, finally, I'd like to ask those who are registering but have definitively stated that the state would not get your rifles, period. So, you get a note in the mail asking you to surrender your AR at a place and date certain or the State will gladly pick it up from you at a time and date certain. What will you do? They know you have them because you've told them. If you registered it, you can't just sell it without telling he state you did and providing them with the info about the sale. So, will you be waiting on the porch as the crusier drives up and they thank you for your cooperation? See, this is where the cookie crumbles. I, personally, do truly believe that given a second term, Malloy will find a way to reduce the number of AWs in his state, period. I don't know how he'll do it but he will. Then, we'll see if there is a wholesale resistance against the confiscation or, if the citizens of this state will comply as normal. Truth be told, that's what will happen. No one wants a bloodbath so we will go quietly. Rome |
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The post above about the low number of registrations is spot on. Every time registration has been done elsewhere, estimated compliance rates are under, sometimes way under 50%. It will be no different here in CT. I'd wager that most gun owners simply are not aware that their guns may be caught by the new laws. I know of several who laughed at me when I told the their guns were now banned, they simply didn't believe that the politicians they voted for went after their guns. They thought only those evil black rifles and super high capacity magazines were affected. Even after showing them the law they still refused to believe me. <shrugs>
There are some who like to try and shame those who are choosing to register, as if registration means one rolls over and stops fighting against these unconstitutional laws. Choosing to register or not is a personal, selfish, decision that each of us has to decide on. There are some real serious consequences to not registering. Consequences that could lead to serious jail time, loss of 2A rights, and more. Choosing to register also comes with some potential consequences, among them confiscation at some later point. fortunately if there is wide spread confiscation word will get out giving people time to hide or move out of state the items the state is trying to confiscate. Some politicians like Malloy, Lawlor Bye, Blumenthal, DeLauro and others would absolutely LOVE to confiscate our guns. But they are frustrated by the Constitution/Bill of Rights that is preventing them from doing so. Progressives however have a game plan to eventually regulate all guns out of existence. They are using incrementalism to work their way through their game plan. They are stacking the courts in the process so the law will uphold that game plan even when it plainly goes against the intent and wording of the Constitution/Bill of Rights. |
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Yes. More than a handful. And I respect the hell out of them for it. But I do believe that more people are registering this time around than before. Part of that is more information is out there, the other part is that there is more "sheep" type thinking out there. I shoot often and currently do not have the resources to fight any weapons charges. I will be registering. I do not believe that this will result in a confiscation, but understand that the threat is potentially there. If it comes to confiscation, they are not getting mine. Remember, you already registered. The state now owns that/those rifle(s), not you. If they amend the law and require you to turn them in or face arrest, you've already complied once and now they've got you by the nuts. You don't own registered firearms. They do. If you don't have a rifle to turn in, they will come after you. And you will comply again because, in your own words, you "don't have the resources to fight any weapons charges." |
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And, finally, I'd like to ask those who are registering but have definitively stated that the state would not get your rifles, period. So, you get a note in the mail asking you to surrender your AR at a place and date certain or the State will gladly pick it up from you at a time and date certain. What will you do? They know you have them because you've told them. If you registered it, you can't just sell it without telling he state you did and providing them with the info about the sale. So, will you be waiting on the porch as the crusier drives up and they thank you for your cooperation? The simple answer is, I moved it out of state. Until the state outlaws moving out of state, or driving the AW or LCM out of state, they cannot prevent someone from simply taking the AW or LCM out of state and leaving it there out of reach of CT's gun grabbing hands. Of course moving it out of state is a win for them too just as confiscating it would be. |
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You have to remember Malloy's interview with Chaz and AJ where he said " you got to keep your guns right" so he definitely was pushing for us turning them in. I respect everyone who is not registering. But you're right in saying they already have most if this on paper anyways unless it was a private transfer but they don't have the money manpower to police us all. It was a feel good Law that's not going to do anything to make us safer. One thing I do know that even if it comes down to confiscation, they will never get mine. Confiscation was never really on the table. It was a fear tactic. Confiscation would had been impossible. Thanks to everyone who is registering to comply with 4/4/13, it is "less" impossible than ever before. How can you not see this? This is the law that makes it possible. They used fear to get you to comply now and they'll use fear to get you to comply again. |
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Remember, you already registered. The state now owns that/those rifle(s), not you. If they amend the law and require you to turn them in or face arrest, you've already complied once and now they've got you by the nuts. You don't own registered firearms. They do. If you don't have a rifle to turn in, they will come after you. And you will comply again because, in your own words, you "don't have the resources to fight any weapons charges." Quoted:
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Yes. More than a handful. And I respect the hell out of them for it. But I do believe that more people are registering this time around than before. Part of that is more information is out there, the other part is that there is more "sheep" type thinking out there. I shoot often and currently do not have the resources to fight any weapons charges. I will be registering. I do not believe that this will result in a confiscation, but understand that the threat is potentially there. If it comes to confiscation, they are not getting mine. Remember, you already registered. The state now owns that/those rifle(s), not you. If they amend the law and require you to turn them in or face arrest, you've already complied once and now they've got you by the nuts. You don't own registered firearms. They do. If you don't have a rifle to turn in, they will come after you. And you will comply again because, in your own words, you "don't have the resources to fight any weapons charges." So when I move out of CT I have to turn my "registered" firearms and LCM's into the state? Guess I missed that in the old/new law. |
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So when I move out of CT I have to turn my "registered" firearms and LCM's into the state? Guess I missed that in the old/new law. What if you stay? Hmmm? What then? The guns owns be here when they come looking off them.... I won't need legal resources to fight it at that point, because no lawyer is going to get them back if there is a move for confiscation. Do you think they will stop at registrants? They already know what you bought through a dealer? Want to talk about fear tactics? Wait until the state police sit there wanting to know where all of the firearms you don't own anymore ended up? |
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It is indeed a tough personal choice. We are victim's of the constant trend of blurring what is fundamentally morally and Constitutionally right and wrong. It's OK to be gay but not to criticize it(Duck Dynasty controversy) It's OK to be on welfare as a permanent way of life, but not advocate to try and better yourself. Continue to restrict and weaken the 2nd, but not acknowledge mental illness (who kills in their right mind? but too insensitive), or lack of proper parenting(racist), or lack of enforcement of current laws (budget cuts/funding reductions for courts and corrections). I personally chose to register because I still want to use my firearms, practice/train, have fun, and enjoy the shooting sports as well as being prepared to defend my home and family without fear of being arrested. And because I bought all my firearms legally they already know what I have, just a matter of time with technology before they start to cross reference sales records with "compliance". Many of us have served in the military, work hard, do our best to be good parents, obey the law, be good citizens, neighbors etc. Yet we have been made to feel like we're the enemy, future felons, a potential risk and danger to society. Quite frankly, I truly felt violated when I turned in my paperwork, I've done nothing wrong but now for lack of compliance I'm a newly minted "bad guy" come January 1st. Comply, get rid of your stuff, or risk arrest if you have a fire, get broken into, get ratted out by some libbie neighbor or pissed off lover or wife, get rear ended on your way to a range etc. Not much of a choice. Surrender to confiscation, not happening. Unless SWAT is at my door I will move instantly, screw everything else. Stand up and don't register I am with you, I took the oath like many others. For me, even though I'm ashamed, I've made a temporary compromise until I can move to freedom once again while it still exists.
I stuck my neck out and wrote a letter to the Courant which to my amazement was publised recently, "Avoided becoming an instant Felon", basically protesting the new useless law and pointing out some of what I just said. Of course it was censored and sanitized yet still got the basic points across. I knew a potential shitstorm would follow, but my wife has stood by me, despite getting some not so friendly looks at work. Some family members are now afraid to come to my house, (didn't know I had firearms) even though they've never been even remotely concerned about me before, but mostly have been congratulated for having the balls to stand up and speak the truth. And yes, I outed myself as a firearms owner. Will my home be broken into? Hopefully my security system, dog, safe and accessible protection when I'm home will suffice if that happens. I said in previous posts I'll fight and do what I can while I'm still here, I've reached an age where my kid's are gone and I feel I've earned the right to stand up for my principals in the face of adversity. |
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Honestly curious what YOU will do when they come for your UNREGISTERED guns?
I assume it will be the same as what a lot of us will do who registered our guns. I will support you and I would suspect you would support me but who knows? This is not my line in the sand, I can move elsewhere if I really want to but for now the job and family roots I have tie me to this state so I'll comply with this unjust law. You can most certainly try and tell me what you think I will do IF they ever come for my registered weapons. I have options and can take my weapons to the range and carry my ccw with 12 rounds mags filled to 10 without wondering if today is the day that I need to use them and what if I need to show an officer my ccw with an illegal mag in it or someone sees me putting a dreaded rifle in my trunk and freaks out. As I said I will support those who don't register but don't ever assume to tell me how i will react IF they ever come for what is rightfully mine under the State and US Constitutions. |
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Plenty of most. Most don't know they have to, or worse yet, insist they don't. "No way muh Buh-rettuh clips needs-a be reh-jus-turd!"
I respect their decision just as much as I respect others to register. But there's  on both sides of the aisle. From insisting the Beretta clips don't need registering because "they just doesn't make sense I don't believe it" to "Should I register my uppers and lowers separately just in case" and "Should I register my pump 12ga just in case?".
I especially love the screwballs that JUST realized they have to register and are scrambling to get it done in time... |
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So when I move out of CT I have to turn my "registered" firearms and LCM's into the state? Guess I missed that in the old/new law. What if you stay? Hmmm? What then? They will have to come with a warrant first. Nothing, at the moment, stops me from simply driving the AW/LCM to another state and storing them there. Doubt the police will have the manpower to sit on every single gun owner and prevent them from driving out of state to store the firearms, nor do they have the manpower or the will to blockade the boarder to prevent people from leaving and searching their cars. A lot of this "what if they do <insert fearful thing here>" happened back in 93/94 as well. Few if any of the doom and gloom predictions or "what if's" came true. Same will happen this time around, until the next mass shooting here in CT. They cannot mass confiscate or mass demand where the guns are, they can try but they'd loose pretty quick in court. What they will do is tighten the noose on use/ownership via incrementalism. As they do so more and more will either choose to move out of CT, move their guns out of CT, hide them, or comply with what ever law they enact. If and when the time comes, I will simply move my firearm out of the state rather than let the gun grabbers take them. |
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The guns owns be here when they come looking off them.... I won't need legal resources to fight it at that point, because no lawyer is going to get them back if there is a move for confiscation. Do you think they will stop at registrants? They already know what you bought through a dealer? Want to talk about fear tactics? Wait until the state police sit there wanting to know where all of the firearms you don't own anymore ended up? Quoted:
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So when I move out of CT I have to turn my "registered" firearms and LCM's into the state? Guess I missed that in the old/new law. What if you stay? Hmmm? What then? The guns owns be here when they come looking off them.... I won't need legal resources to fight it at that point, because no lawyer is going to get them back if there is a move for confiscation. Do you think they will stop at registrants? They already know what you bought through a dealer? Want to talk about fear tactics? Wait until the state police sit there wanting to know where all of the firearms you don't own anymore ended up? What if all the rifles I bought in a LGS were ultimately sold FTF? |
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The question that should be asked here is what do you plan on doing when they come to take them. If history is any clue, there will be at least 3% who will not take kindly to someone trying to confiscate their lawfully owned property. That response is liable to include things flying at very fast speeds at those trying to take their property. Being conservative and saying that 3% of the 200,000 or so firearm owners who decide to say no with the barrel of their gun, that translates into roughly 6,000 potentially violence encounters for the police to deal with as they knock on doors. Of course this is all speculation and I'm not advocating a violent response or breaking the law with this post. |
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So when I move out of CT I have to turn my "registered" firearms and LCM's into the state? Guess I missed that in the old/new law. What if you stay? Hmmm? What then? The guns owns be here when they come looking off them.... I won't need legal resources to fight it at that point, because no lawyer is going to get them back if there is a move for confiscation. Do you think they will stop at registrants? They already know what you bought through a dealer? Want to talk about fear tactics? Wait until the state police sit there wanting to know where all of the firearms you don't own anymore ended up? What if all the rifles I bought in a LGS were ultimately sold FTF? You sure they are not going to want to check things out "just to be safe"? |
| I registered because I have too much to loose. I'm younger and only a year into marriage . We want children soon. I'm a proud supporter of the 2nd but I won't put that in front of my family . As much as I hate to comply, it's a useless fight for me not to. I love to shoot so the day I got cought with an unregistered AW and get slapped with a felony , I'd loose much more then just my guns. Potentially loose my job, which could make me loose my house. That is just not worth it. If they come to take them, fine . I will try and move them out of state if I can or worst case let them go. I can rebound from loosing some guns which can be replaced in other states. I could not come back from felony charges. I've been heckled for this but it's the best choice for me and my family. |
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It's not the 1700-1800's any more. For most, a felony renders us economically un-viable. Too much on the line for knee deep in brass fantasy. Sucks...will try to move when feasible, but trapped for now. These tools keep electing our present gov, so we're along for the ride.
We had a decent run since '94...we'll prob go the way of NY if and when another incident occurs. The writing is on the wall. The mediocre turnout at the rallies is an indicator that the bulk of CT just doesn't care. |
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I registered because I have too much to loose. I'm younger and only a year into marriage . We want children soon. I'm a proud supporter of the 2nd but I won't put that in front of my family . As much as I hate to comply, it's a useless fight for me not to. I love to shoot so the day I got cought with an unregistered AW and get slapped with a felony , I'd loose much more then just my guns. Potentially loose my job, which could make me loose my house. That is just not worth it. If they come to take them, fine . I will try and move them out of state if I can or worst case let them go. I can rebound from loosing some guns which can be replaced in other states. I could not come back from felony charges. I've been heckled for this but it's the best choice for me and my family. Nothing to feel bad about, this is a real delema for a lot of people and most who are registerring willingly are in this same boat. |
| Yup, sucks but at least they sent out notice. Unless it's a nationally declared immediate confiscation (how could they pull that off?) you can still move them out to a friend/relative or even a storage locker in a free state. Worst case here they strike unannounced in force, even then with electronic media/forums etc. people will find out & move fast to get their stuff out. CT. law says you can move them. Doomsday scenarios etc., I've had enough, looking forward to closing this talk and hopefully having some fun in 2014 while we still can. |
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After dutifully registering their rifles and shotguns in NYC, the powers that be are now sending out letters to lawfully registered gun owners to turn their weapons in. It happened in NYC, and it can happen here. that law has been in effect for over 20 years. but they just so happend to send out letters now becuase of pressure from bloomberg. |
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I know lots of people who are not registering anything and others who may register only a few things. Most are sick of it and have had enough.
On a side note I had a conversation with the state the other day. If you have an item ordered prior to APRIL 4 and do not get it until after JAN 1 you may still register it. You must have the dealer provide a copy of the redacted invoice (to prove arrival date) and submit it with your registration. That's a plus at least. |
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How to have a problem:
-alarm goes off because your door is unlocked...police do a walkthrough before trying to secure the house, stuff laying around or in closet/under bed -house gets burglarized...do you report all, some? What? Failure to report? Guns get recovered. - House burns, FD & PD on scene -Domestic arrest, wife fills in the blanks -wife/kid hears noises calls PD and asks/allows a walk through -wife "gives" police soon to be ex-husbands guns to "get rid of" -car accident on the way to range I've seen all but the last one in person. Get a safe. |
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And, finally, I'd like to ask those who are registering but have definitively stated that the state would not get your rifles, period. So, you get a note in the mail asking you to surrender your AR at a place and date certain or the State will gladly pick it up from you at a time and date certain. What will you do? They know you have them because you've told them. If you registered it, you can't just sell it without telling he state you did and providing them with the info about the sale. So, will you be waiting on the porch as the crusier drives up and they thank you for your cooperation? See, this is where the cookie crumbles. I, personally, do truly believe that given a second term, Malloy will find a way to reduce the number of AWs in his state, period. I don't know how he'll do it but he will. Then, we'll see if there is a wholesale resistance against the confiscation or, if the citizens of this state will comply as normal. Truth be told, that's what will happen. No one wants a bloodbath so we will go quietly. Rome if confiscation comes tin the scenario you pose, they will get my lowers ban-sawed in-half, the rest of the firearm I will keep, as it is just a pile of metal. Not happy about that, but the way I see the state already has taken my god given rights away and theoretically my evil guns too, at this point the state has stolen my lowers and HC mags. If the cops go kicking doors, shooting dogs and burning houses for guns, you unregistered folks going to go patriots on the establishment? unlike the sheep that register? FBHO and Fuck Malloy! |
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if confiscation comes tin the scenario you pose, they will get my lowers ban-sawed in-half, the rest of the firearm I will keep, as it is just a pile of metal. Not happy about that, but the way I see the state already has taken my god given rights away and theoretically my evil guns too, at this point the state has stolen my lowers and HC mags. They'll still want the uppers to parade around as having seized an AW. Perhaps a state police have a finished 80% lower they can pair it with for the photo-op. |
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I can't wait to start trashing all of the ban threads come January 1st  No! keep the "I missed the deadline, now what?" threads With the guys join date of "jan 2014" under their screen name. |
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I like to throw this question out there. Does anyone know someone who is not complying with the new laws and not registering anything? I know someone who said to me the other day that he isn't registering anything because he said rebellion is what brought this country freedom and he also said the paperwork looks like a pain in the ass. He makes some good points. I am all registered but he put his foot down. Have you or someone you know said F-this I'm not registering? I heard that in the past non-compliance is usually 80-90% when it comes to assualt weapons registration. Also I thought I would have been happy to send my forms off bit instead I got a feeling of regret and uneasiness. Kind of like I lost some freedom. Which I did. It was weird I know someone who refused to register his AK-47 back in 1994. He's regretting not doing it because he's forced to keep it hidden and he won't bring it to the range out fo fear someone will stop him and check to see if it's registered or not. The way I see it, this is Connecticut, and in Connecticut we need to fill out a blizzard of paperwork to get the firearms to begin with so we're not telling anyone anything they don't already know. I registered my AR-15 in '94 since they already knew I had it. They promised they woudl leave me alone once it was registered, and so far they've kept their promise so I have no cause to resist this time around. It's when they decide to go back on their word and try to confiscate them that I'll tell them to go to hell. In the meantime, I can bring my AR-15 to the range and my friend can't bring his AK-47. You makes your choices and you takes your chances. |
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I know someone who refused to register his AK-47 back in 1994. He's regretting not doing it because he's forced to keep it hidden and he won't bring it to the range out fo fear someone will stop him and check to see if it's registered or not. The way I see it, this is Connecticut, and in Connecticut we need to fill out a blizzard of paperwork to get the firearms to begin with so we're not telling anyone anything they don't already know. I registered my AR-15 in '94 since they already knew I had it. They promised they woudl leave me alone once it was registered, and so far they've kept their promise so I have no cause to resist this time around. It's when they decide to go back on their word and try to confiscate them that I'll tell them to go to hell. In the meantime, I can bring my AR-15 to the range and my friend can't bring his AK-47. You makes your choices and you takes your chances. Quoted:
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I like to throw this question out there. Does anyone know someone who is not complying with the new laws and not registering anything? I know someone who said to me the other day that he isn't registering anything because he said rebellion is what brought this country freedom and he also said the paperwork looks like a pain in the ass. He makes some good points. I am all registered but he put his foot down. Have you or someone you know said F-this I'm not registering? I heard that in the past non-compliance is usually 80-90% when it comes to assualt weapons registration. Also I thought I would have been happy to send my forms off bit instead I got a feeling of regret and uneasiness. Kind of like I lost some freedom. Which I did. It was weird I know someone who refused to register his AK-47 back in 1994. He's regretting not doing it because he's forced to keep it hidden and he won't bring it to the range out fo fear someone will stop him and check to see if it's registered or not. The way I see it, this is Connecticut, and in Connecticut we need to fill out a blizzard of paperwork to get the firearms to begin with so we're not telling anyone anything they don't already know. I registered my AR-15 in '94 since they already knew I had it. They promised they woudl leave me alone once it was registered, and so far they've kept their promise so I have no cause to resist this time around. It's when they decide to go back on their word and try to confiscate them that I'll tell them to go to hell. In the meantime, I can bring my AR-15 to the range and my friend can't bring his AK-47. You makes your choices and you takes your chances. that's mostly my thinking and has been since i moved back to CT in 09 and had to "WTF really?" my way through learning the old laws. i know people who say they will would build an AR and not make it compliant or go to XXXX state buy things and bring it here or know have an AK-47 type that was banned. they don't care it's illegal and "fuck CT and their stupid laws" type thinking, while i agree i just ask them where they are going to shoot such a gun? take it to a public range? if i had the personal property that would allow me to do far enough into the woods no one could find me while i was shooting i would do a few things different to be honest. but i can not do that and i like to not have going to jail hanging over my head any time i get in a car or bring guns somewhere to shoot. also you friend with the AK can now take it out in public if he likes. they are legal now. i'm thinking i should get an original Colt "AR-15" just as a thank you to Malloy, maybe get something engraved into it. not sure yet. |
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Quoted: if confiscation comes tin the scenario you pose, they will get my lowers ban-sawed in-half, the rest of the firearm I will keep, as it is just a pile of metal. Not happy about that, but the way I see the state already has taken my god given rights away and theoretically my evil guns too, at this point the state has stolen my lowers and HC mags. If the cops go kicking doors, shooting dogs and burning houses for guns, you unregistered folks going to go patriots on the establishment? unlike the sheep that register? FBHO and Fuck Malloy! Quoted: Quoted: And, finally, I'd like to ask those who are registering but have definitively stated that the state would not get your rifles, period. So, you get a note in the mail asking you to surrender your AR at a place and date certain or the State will gladly pick it up from you at a time and date certain. What will you do? They know you have them because you've told them. If you registered it, you can't just sell it without telling he state you did and providing them with the info about the sale. So, will you be waiting on the porch as the crusier drives up and they thank you for your cooperation? See, this is where the cookie crumbles. I, personally, do truly believe that given a second term, Malloy will find a way to reduce the number of AWs in his state, period. I don't know how he'll do it but he will. Then, we'll see if there is a wholesale resistance against the confiscation or, if the citizens of this state will comply as normal. Truth be told, that's what will happen. No one wants a bloodbath so we will go quietly. Rome if confiscation comes tin the scenario you pose, they will get my lowers ban-sawed in-half, the rest of the firearm I will keep, as it is just a pile of metal. Not happy about that, but the way I see the state already has taken my god given rights away and theoretically my evil guns too, at this point the state has stolen my lowers and HC mags. If the cops go kicking doors, shooting dogs and burning houses for guns, you unregistered folks going to go patriots on the establishment? unlike the sheep that register? FBHO and Fuck Malloy! |
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As was said either here or in another thread, everyone has their line in the sand. The line, which if the state crosses, they'll hide them, bury them, loose them in a tragic horrible boating accident, move them out of the state, destroy them, or maybe even retaliate violently, do any thing other than comply and let the state eventually take their guns. For some not registering because of these new laws is their line in the sand. For others that line hasn't been reached yet. There are valid reasons, like it or not, for either complying or not complying with the latest round of anti rights laws just as there will be valid reasons to comply or not comply with the next round of anti rights law if and when they are passed in this state.
No telling when, or even if, enough people will get fed up with these progressive politicians and get motivated to finally take back this state and our rights. 
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But eventually in the future they will get shit organized, have some time to investigate and will have the manpower to do sweeps and such. And I'll just add this… I firmly believe anyone who gets caught will not likely get convicted of anything if they don't have a prior record and they owned the gun prior to 4/13, but that person will still get arrested and definitely lose their seized AW permanently with no chance of ever getting another one within CT. Also, let's just say the police find a person in possession of an AW. They obviously will take the AW away, but will they take all the other (non-AW) guns away that that person owns while the charge is pending? I find it hard to believe that the state would allow someone to keep their permit or other guns while they have an "illegal possession of AW" charge pending against them. Its just some shit to think about. Best thing to do if you're not gonna register is move at least some (or all) of your shit outta state, same thing I said right before the law was passed. Quoted:
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You have to remember Malloy's interview with Chaz and AJ where he said " you got to keep your guns right" so he definitely was pushing for us turning them in. I respect everyone who is not registering. But you're right in saying they already have most if this on paper anyways unless it was a private transfer but they don't have the money manpower to police us all. It was a feel good Law that's not going to do anything to make us safer. One thing I do know that even if it comes down to confiscation, they will never get mine. And I'll just add this… I firmly believe anyone who gets caught will not likely get convicted of anything if they don't have a prior record and they owned the gun prior to 4/13, but that person will still get arrested and definitely lose their seized AW permanently with no chance of ever getting another one within CT. Also, let's just say the police find a person in possession of an AW. They obviously will take the AW away, but will they take all the other (non-AW) guns away that that person owns while the charge is pending? I find it hard to believe that the state would allow someone to keep their permit or other guns while they have an "illegal possession of AW" charge pending against them. Its just some shit to think about. Best thing to do if you're not gonna register is move at least some (or all) of your shit outta state, same thing I said right before the law was passed. Arrests, charges, and jail time have already happened for "assault weapons". http://articles.courant.com/2011-08-24/community/hc-waterford-serviceman-weapons-0824-20110823_1_assault-rifle-assault-weapon-charges-informant "Sailor Arrested on Assault Weapon Charges" http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetailDisp.aspx?source=Pending&Key=b243644b-c795-4099-8f5a-11a5d151e1e8 "53-202c* ILL Poss Assault Wpn DFelony 18/17/2011Guilty Guilty 2/6/2012$0.00$0.00 Sentenced: 5 Years Jail, Execution Suspended After 1 Year, Probation 5 Years" |
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Arrests, charges, and jail time have already happened for "assault weapons". http://articles.courant.com/2011-08-24/community/hc-waterford-serviceman-weapons-0824-20110823_1_assault-rifle-assault-weapon-charges-informant "Sailor Arrested on Assault Weapon Charges" http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetailDisp.aspx?source=Pending&Key=b243644b-c795-4099-8f5a-11a5d151e1e8 "53-202c* ILL Poss Assault Wpn DFelony 18/17/2011Guilty Guilty 2/6/2012$0.00$0.00 Sentenced: 5 Years Jail, Execution Suspended After 1 Year, Probation 5 Years" Whole lot of derp to that incident. Guy knew it was illegal to have the gun in CT as it was banned by name. Yet he bought the gun in RI which means the RI FFL may have violated ATF guidelines, had it shipped to GA, went to GA got the gun and brought it back to CT. Then knowing you have in illegal firearm in your possession on a military base in CT for a short time you go and make anti government/anti military comments which causes an investigation which then leads to a subsequent arrest for said illegal firearm. <face palm> |
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Whole lot of derp to that incident. Guy knew it was illegal to have the gun in CT as it was banned by name. Yet he bought the gun in RI which means the RI FFL may have violated ATF guidelines, had it shipped to GA, went to GA got the gun and brought it back to CT. Then knowing you have in illegal firearm in your possession on a military base in CT for a short time you go and make anti government/anti military comments which causes an investigation which then leads to a subsequent arrest for said illegal firearm. <face palm> Quoted:
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Arrests, charges, and jail time have already happened for "assault weapons". http://articles.courant.com/2011-08-24/community/hc-waterford-serviceman-weapons-0824-20110823_1_assault-rifle-assault-weapon-charges-informant "Sailor Arrested on Assault Weapon Charges" http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetailDisp.aspx?source=Pending&Key=b243644b-c795-4099-8f5a-11a5d151e1e8 "53-202c* ILL Poss Assault Wpn DFelony 18/17/2011Guilty Guilty 2/6/2012$0.00$0.00 Sentenced: 5 Years Jail, Execution Suspended After 1 Year, Probation 5 Years" Whole lot of derp to that incident. Guy knew it was illegal to have the gun in CT as it was banned by name. Yet he bought the gun in RI which means the RI FFL may have violated ATF guidelines, had it shipped to GA, went to GA got the gun and brought it back to CT. Then knowing you have in illegal firearm in your possession on a military base in CT for a short time you go and make anti government/anti military comments which causes an investigation which then leads to a subsequent arrest for said illegal firearm. <face palm> There is a whole lot of derp, but it does go to show that the state will charge people for "assault weapon" violations unlike what the previous commentator assumed. |
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Arrests, charges, and jail time have already happened for "assault weapons". http://articles.courant.com/2011-08-24/community/hc-waterford-serviceman-weapons-0824-20110823_1_assault-rifle-assault-weapon-charges-informant "Sailor Arrested on Assault Weapon Charges" http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetailDisp.aspx?source=Pending&Key=b243644b-c795-4099-8f5a-11a5d151e1e8 "53-202c* ILL Poss Assault Wpn DFelony 18/17/2011Guilty Guilty 2/6/2012$0.00$0.00 Sentenced: 5 Years Jail, Execution Suspended After 1 Year, Probation 5 Years" Whole lot of derp to that incident. Guy knew it was illegal to have the gun in CT as it was banned by name. Yet he bought the gun in RI which means the RI FFL may have violated ATF guidelines, had it shipped to GA, went to GA got the gun and brought it back to CT. Then knowing you have in illegal firearm in your possession on a military base in CT for a short time you go and make anti government/anti military comments which causes an investigation which then leads to a subsequent arrest for said illegal firearm. <face palm> And he would had been legal to possess it in CT today..... |
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Quoted: Arrests, charges, and jail time have already happened for "assault weapons". http://articles.courant.com/2011-08-24/community/hc-waterford-serviceman-weapons-0824-20110823_1_assault-rifle-assault-weapon-charges-informant "Sailor Arrested on Assault Weapon Charges" http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetailDisp.aspx?source=Pending&Key=b243644b-c795-4099-8f5a-11a5d151e1e8 "53-202c* ILL Poss Assault Wpn DFelony 18/17/2011Guilty Guilty 2/6/2012$0.00$0.00 Sentenced: 5 Years Jail, Execution Suspended After 1 Year, Probation 5 Years" Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You have to remember Malloy's interview with Chaz and AJ where he said " you got to keep your guns right" so he definitely was pushing for us turning them in. I respect everyone who is not registering. But you're right in saying they already have most if this on paper anyways unless it was a private transfer but they don't have the money manpower to police us all. It was a feel good Law that's not going to do anything to make us safer. One thing I do know that even if it comes down to confiscation, they will never get mine. And I'll just add this… I firmly believe anyone who gets caught will not likely get convicted of anything if they don't have a prior record and they owned the gun prior to 4/13, but that person will still get arrested and definitely lose their seized AW permanently with no chance of ever getting another one within CT. Also, let's just say the police find a person in possession of an AW. They obviously will take the AW away, but will they take all the other (non-AW) guns away that that person owns while the charge is pending? I find it hard to believe that the state would allow someone to keep their permit or other guns while they have an "illegal possession of AW" charge pending against them. Its just some shit to think about. Best thing to do if you're not gonna register is move at least some (or all) of your shit outta state, same thing I said right before the law was passed. Arrests, charges, and jail time have already happened for "assault weapons". http://articles.courant.com/2011-08-24/community/hc-waterford-serviceman-weapons-0824-20110823_1_assault-rifle-assault-weapon-charges-informant "Sailor Arrested on Assault Weapon Charges" http://www.jud2.ct.gov/crdockets/CaseDetailDisp.aspx?source=Pending&Key=b243644b-c795-4099-8f5a-11a5d151e1e8 "53-202c* ILL Poss Assault Wpn DFelony 18/17/2011Guilty Guilty 2/6/2012$0.00$0.00 Sentenced: 5 Years Jail, Execution Suspended After 1 Year, Probation 5 Years" |
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All of this stems from a psychological crack in how so many of you view your self and your relationship to the state. ALL OF US need to embrace the fact that they think of us as criminals. You need to believe this. Say to yourself, "I am a criminal". Sex offenders are registered so that it is easier to keep an eye on these undesirables. After they are registered, do they cease to be piles of shit?
Well just like them, you the gun owner, YOU offend. You are just as big a pile of shit to them, and they will CERTAINLY move to "Voluntary" surrendering of arms, just like Australia, England. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. It's your choice of course, what YOU decide to do, what allows YOU to sleep at night. For those that are curious, I will be moving any 'qualifying" items out of state, and will be moving my family, our votes, and our tax dollars out of state as well. CT can keep the sheep, and the politicians. |
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snip Whole lot of derp to that incident. Guy knew it was illegal to have the gun in CT as it was banned by name. Yet he bought the gun in RI which means the RI FFL may have violated ATF guidelines, had it shipped to GA, went to GA got the gun and brought it back to CT. Then knowing you have in illegal firearm in your possession on a military base in CT for a short time you go and make anti government/anti military comments which causes an investigation which then leads to a subsequent arrest for said illegal firearm. <face palm> And he would had been legal to possess it in CT today..... How so? Unless the Saiga Legion he bought was preban (are there any preban Saiga Legions in 7.62x39?) the "Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type" firearm would be just as illegal today as it was prior to 4/4/13. |
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snip Whole lot of derp to that incident. Guy knew it was illegal to have the gun in CT as it was banned by name. Yet he bought the gun in RI which means the RI FFL may have violated ATF guidelines, had it shipped to GA, went to GA got the gun and brought it back to CT. Then knowing you have in illegal firearm in your possession on a military base in CT for a short time you go and make anti government/anti military comments which causes an investigation which then leads to a subsequent arrest for said illegal firearm. <face palm> And he would had been legal to possess it in CT today..... How so? Unless the Saiga Legion he bought was preban (are there any preban Saiga Legions in 7.62x39?) the "Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type" firearm would be just as illegal today as it was prior to 4/4/13. There are no pre ban Saiga anythings as far as I know. |