Posted: 12/4/2013 3:34:10 PM EDT
| Question is, do we have to register Preban lowers that were transferred by a licensed dealer with the approval of the state police years ago? |
| Which I already knew but confirmed with Detective Demato today at the SLFU while I had him on the phone. Pre94 firearms don't need to be registered and are still transferable BUT need "concrete proof they were made prior to Sept 13, 94. example at letter from the manufacture". I don't recall seeing that statement in the law, I think its to cover ourself but what do I know. He also confirmed the constructive possession clause. As long as the firearm and LCMs were ordered before 4/4/13 you can still transfer and register them after 1/1/14. Was told to send in the forms with a receipt or contract stating it was ordered before 4/4. I'm sure he answers the same questions everyday all day but he was very helpful. |
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If one has a lower within the SN range listed below:
'L051001-L063000 - Mixed Pre-Ban Assembled Rifles and Pre-Sept 94 Lowers' How does one prove it is a pre ban since Bushmaster informed me that they no longer had the records and they were turned over to the ATF after their move from ME? Does this rifle now need to be registered without a letter certifying it as such? Whom does the burden of proof fall on under this new law? I have an Eagle Arms rifle as well and an email form them stating that it was built as a complete rifle before the ban date of 9/13/94 is that sufficient or should I purchase the notarized letter they offer for $30? |
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If one has a lower within the SN range listed below: 'L051001-L063000 - Mixed Pre-Ban Assembled Rifles and Pre-Sept 94 Lowers' How does one prove it is a pre ban since Bushmaster informed me that they no longer had the records and they were turned over to the ATF after their move from ME? Does this rifle now need to be registered without a letter certifying it as such? Whom does the burden of proof fall on under this new law? I have an Eagle Arms rifle as well and an email form them stating that it was built as a complete rifle before the ban date of 9/13/94 is that sufficient or should I purchase the notarized letter they offer for $30? I am in the same boat here... I have an old Sendra lower and cannot acquire the record of when it was made from Bushmaster since all of those records were turned over to the ATF earlier this year. It sucks even more because Sendra hasn't produced anything since like 1986 but I do not have any official 'Proof" of when it was made. Looks like I have to register it. Am I wrong...?? |
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I am in the same boat here... I have an old Sendra lower and cannot acquire the record of when it was made from Bushmaster since all of those records were turned over to the ATF earlier this year. It sucks even more because Sendra hasn't produced anything since like 1986 but I do not have any official 'Proof" of when it was made. Looks like I have to register it. Am I wrong...?? Quoted:
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If one has a lower within the SN range listed below: 'L051001-L063000 - Mixed Pre-Ban Assembled Rifles and Pre-Sept 94 Lowers' How does one prove it is a pre ban since Bushmaster informed me that they no longer had the records and they were turned over to the ATF after their move from ME? Does this rifle now need to be registered without a letter certifying it as such? Whom does the burden of proof fall on under this new law? I have an Eagle Arms rifle as well and an email form them stating that it was built as a complete rifle before the ban date of 9/13/94 is that sufficient or should I purchase the notarized letter they offer for $30? I am in the same boat here... I have an old Sendra lower and cannot acquire the record of when it was made from Bushmaster since all of those records were turned over to the ATF earlier this year. It sucks even more because Sendra hasn't produced anything since like 1986 but I do not have any official 'Proof" of when it was made. Looks like I have to register it. Am I wrong...?? all sendras are preban |
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I am in the same boat here... I have an old Sendra lower and cannot acquire the record of when it was made from Bushmaster since all of those records were turned over to the ATF earlier this year. It sucks even more because Sendra hasn't produced anything since like 1986 but I do not have any official 'Proof" of when it was made. Looks like I have to register it. Am I wrong...?? Quoted:
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If one has a lower within the SN range listed below: 'L051001-L063000 - Mixed Pre-Ban Assembled Rifles and Pre-Sept 94 Lowers' How does one prove it is a pre ban since Bushmaster informed me that they no longer had the records and they were turned over to the ATF after their move from ME? Does this rifle now need to be registered without a letter certifying it as such? Whom does the burden of proof fall on under this new law? I have an Eagle Arms rifle as well and an email form them stating that it was built as a complete rifle before the ban date of 9/13/94 is that sufficient or should I purchase the notarized letter they offer for $30? I am in the same boat here... I have an old Sendra lower and cannot acquire the record of when it was made from Bushmaster since all of those records were turned over to the ATF earlier this year. It sucks even more because Sendra hasn't produced anything since like 1986 but I do not have any official 'Proof" of when it was made. Looks like I have to register it. Am I wrong...?? You don't need "proof" to not register a gun you know to be preban. DPS encourages dealers to require proof when transferring prebans. You don't need "proof" to not register a gun you know to be preban. You don't need "proof" to not register a gun you know to be preban. Is proof a nice thing to have? Sure. Is proof required for every preban out there? No. |
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I glad that I contacted Bushmaster some time ago and got a confirmation letter stating that it is a Preban. So I don't forget, I keep a copy of the letter in my wallet so if I do go to the range I have it.
Isn't there a list somewhere here that shows the mfg name and serial numbers for their Preban rifles? |
No one will bust your balls at a gun range. Sure many will look over your shoulder and say ooohh aahh is that an M16 or AK47? Then to be polite your say it's my AR15. Is that an Assault weapoonn? Yep. Have a nice day! 
The range officers or police if called over might break your balls if you are doing stupid shit. Firing fast shooting things your not supposed to, so just be on your best behavior and no one will even look your way. To register an assault weapon that is a preban is no big deal. I was stupid and registered 6 of mine here yet last month sold 3 of them inside CT. I wanted to downsize my collection and just done it after I registered them. A preban is a preban and you can still sell them despite having a AW notarized form attached to it. I'm down to 3 AR15s now. My safe has a little wiggle room inside again.... |
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No one will bust your balls at a gun range. Sure many will look over your shoulder and say ooohh aahh is that an M16 or AK47? Then to be polite your say it's my AR15. Is that an Assault weapoonn? Yep. Have a nice day!
The range officers or police if called over might break your balls if you are doing shit stupid. Firing fast shooting things your not supposed to, so just be on your best behavior and no one will even look your way. To register an assault weapon that is a preban is no big deal. I was stupid and registered 6 of mine here yet last month sold 3 of them inside CT. I wanted to downsize my collection and just done it after I registered them. A preban is a preban and you can still sell them despite having a AW notarized form attached to it. I'm down to 3 AR15s now. My safe has a little wiggle room inside again.... Bullshit they won't. |
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If there is a list here that is awesome... even though i am not sure Sendra would be on there. anyone know where I can find this list if it exists? There is. Sticky at top of page. Drasen was in prison well before the AWB went into effect. There are old wives tales that some are post ban, but that's a bunch of horse apples. They are all preban |
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No one will bust your balls at a gun range. Bullshit they won't. I got in trouble sitting in someone elses chair once. That was a wild day. Never had cops bust me. Been shooting these for many, many years. Like a fag I do carry papers with me When I'm out with class 3 stuff, I try and hide in a corner. All them "Are you a hitman"? remarks do get real annoying, however. 
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I read they milled a circle in the magwell on the postban sendras,prebans do not have the circle.But that could be bullshit I just found this mentioned online too. Mine certainly has no milled circle on it. It also said that that info was unverified -so who knows. |
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No one will bust your balls at a gun range. Sure many will look over your shoulder and say ooohh aahh is that an M16 or AK47? Then to be polite your say it's my AR15. Is that an Assault weapoonn? Yep. Have a nice day!
The range officers or police if called over might break your balls if you are doing shit stupid. Firing fast shooting things your not supposed to, so just be on your best behavior and no one will even look your way. To register an assault weapon that is a preban is no big deal. I was stupid and registered 6 of mine here yet last month sold 3 of them inside CT. I wanted to downsize my collection and just done it after I registered them. A preban is a preban and you can still sell them despite having a AW notarized form attached to it. I'm down to 3 AR15s now. My safe has a little wiggle room inside again.... Bullshit they won't. Gotta agree, gun owners, particularly the fudds are some of the worst busy bodies I've ever met, right up on par with suburban soccer moms. The worst part is they seem to take joy in being the hall monitors. |
While the odds of being hassled at a gun range for an illegal firearm or a legal one that some uninformed dope thinks is illegal is rare, it can and does happen. The problem is because its rare, people assume it will never happen to them. I've been there and had it done to me on more than once occasion. 
Now this is pure speculation but I will not be surprised if police start making spot visits to gun ranges in hopes of catching someone with illegal firearms. I won't be surprised if we see undercover gun grabbers doing the same. I suspect that shortly after Jan 1 there will be a few high profile busts so Malloy, Lawlor and the rest of the gun grabbing assholes can get media face time to tout how the law is working and how those evil white racist bible thumping republicans had illegal baby killing assault machine guns and large capacity magazines along with massive amounts of ammo (like a brick of .22LR). The media has barrels of ink is just waiting to be splashed as they gleefully run stories on gun owners getting busted. |
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I just found this mentioned online too. Mine certainly has no milled circle on it. It also said that that info was unverified -so who knows. Quoted:
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I read they milled a circle in the magwell on the postban sendras,prebans do not have the circle.But that could be bullshit I just found this mentioned online too. Mine certainly has no milled circle on it. It also said that that info was unverified -so who knows. That's the old wives talks. Sendra was out of biz with the owner in the clink by the time the Ban passed. Nobody knows why the circle is there. That's a lot of trouble to indicate "post ban" on something that wouldn't matter. |
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I got in trouble sitting in someone elses chair once. That was a wild day. Never had cops bust me. Been shooting these for many, many years. Like a fag I do carry papers with me When I'm out with class 3 stuff, I try and hide in a corner. All them "Are you a hitman"? remarks do get real annoying, however. Quoted:
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No one will bust your balls at a gun range. Bullshit they won't. I got in trouble sitting in someone elses chair once. That was a wild day. Never had cops bust me. Been shooting these for many, many years. Like a fag I do carry papers with me When I'm out with class 3 stuff, I try and hide in a corner. All them "Are you a hitman"? remarks do get real annoying, however. Really? 
Ball busting at a range is nowhere near the same thing as being busted by a cop. I've had Range Safety Officers and other shooters tell me on numerous occasions that my guns were illegal. I would respond with "no, they are perfectly legal" and if they decided to kick it up a notch by insisting they were illegal I would ask them to please state the law they were referring to. After they pointed out features and fumbled about with their words for a bit, I would then proceed to "educate" them with what the law really says, and how it applied to the guns they were giving me a hard time about. Ball busting can/does happen all the time at ranges, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to go out and shoot. |
| Today I only shoot at private clubs, plus I try and shoot off peak hours to avoid BS with other members so this is why I feel the way I do. If you go to a public place in addition of acting like a commando will bring attention to yourself. Always have your documents with you if you get hassled. Ma-Ma-Malloy would love to prove his law is working by setting us up at a club so be on guard against their attacks. |