Posted: 7/23/2013 1:08:20 PM EDT
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Interesting. I like how they put the little language in at the end by saying it "may" avoid the ban state's definition of detachable magazine. Question is does the method they show to eject the magazine constitute disassembly of the firearm action under our stupid laws? Even with a fixed magazine you'd still be limited to 10 rounds. 
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| something else I noticed: every single gun they fired did not lock open when the mag was empty, rather the bolt got stuck halfway, then dropping the receiver caused the bolt to close, required it to be re-cocked after re-assembly to get another round in the chamber. |
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something else I noticed: every single gun they fired did not lock open when the mag was empty, rather the bolt got stuck halfway, then dropping the receiver caused the bolt to close, required it to be re-cocked after re-assembly to get another round in the chamber. IMHO a small price to pay. If you have to charge it, so what? You are already separating the halves. Technically this should be legal by definition of detachable magazine and would not constitute an AW if you only had 10 round mags. (a fixed +10 mag is an AW) |
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The bolt hold open engages like normal, you just have to release it prior to splitting the firearm.
It is BS, I agree. I'd rather have a normal mag catch. However, I prefer it over a ban/registration, so for now I will tolerate it. The important thing is the continued sale and transfer within the law of long arms to the general public. A generational ban (which is what this is) cannot be tolerated. The language at the end was CYA, and came at the advice of my lawyer. This way, I didn't have to create a video for every state. -MR2 |
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A vendor of mine contacted NYST, they told him their view re: the "detachable magazine" section:
"As long as the magazine cannot be removed while the firearm is in operation, it is NY SAFE legal". AR MR2 fits the bill, as the mag can't be released until the firing pin, bolt carrier, hammer, and buffer are disconnected from one another, and therefor out of operation. You're right about CT, they have publicly stated they will no longer render an opinion. Luckily, we got AR MR2 in front of them before that. CT will not call AR MR2 illegal, simply they won't comment in writing that it is legal. CA will not offer an opinion in any way, and this has been the case for every one of the 54 or so compliance products on the market. I actually went back to Darin Prince to get his take on it, and he said he's never been able to draw out an opinion one way or the other. Gotta love our "servants". I'm not a fan. |
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AR MR2 fits the bill, as the mag can't be released until the firing pin, bolt carrier, hammer, and buffer are disconnected from one another, and therefor out of operation. You're right about CT, they have publicly stated they will no longer render an opinion. Luckily, we got AR MR2 in front of them before that. CT will not call AR MR2 illegal, simply they won't comment in writing that it is legal. this is promising |
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The problem with this is once you block the magazine release with this product you are then limited to just 10 rounds in the "fixed" magazine. Meaning you'd probably have to either use a fixed 10 round magazine or permanently bock a "large capacity magazine" to 10 rounds and use it as the fixed magazine. Its nice to have a product like this as an option, but I don't know if I'd want to use it in my AR along with a fixed 10 round magazine just to get around the need for the "certificate of possession" for lawfully possessed AR's. Now if there is some way around the "copies or duplicates" of AR-15's that were in production on 4/4/13 ban language, then I could see this + the fixed 10 round magazine possibly being useful in getting around the single feature limit so one could possess an AR platform firearm.
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The problem with this is once you block the magazine release with this product you are then limited to just 10 rounds in the "fixed" magazine. Meaning you'd probably have to either use a fixed 10 round magazine or permanently bock a "large capacity magazine" to 10 rounds and use it as the fixed magazine. Its nice to have a product like this as an option, but I don't know if I'd want to use it in my AR along with a fixed 10 round magazine just to get around the need for the "certificate of possession" for lawfully possessed AR's. Now if there is some way around the "copies or duplicates" of AR-15's that were in production on 4/4/13 ban language, then I could see this + the fixed 10 round magazine possibly being useful in getting around the single feature limit so one could possess an AR platform firearm. <shrugs> i wouldnt buy it to modify my currently owned stuff, but its a nice option to shove it up malloys ass |
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The problem with this is once you block the magazine release with this product you are then limited to just 10 rounds in the "fixed" magazine. Meaning you'd probably have to either use a fixed 10 round magazine or permanently bock a "large capacity magazine" to 10 rounds and use it as the fixed magazine. Its nice to have a product like this as an option, but I don't know if I'd want to use it in my AR along with a fixed 10 round magazine just to get around the need for the "certificate of possession" for lawfully possessed AR's. Now if there is some way around the "copies or duplicates" of AR-15's that were in production on 4/4/13 ban language, then I could see this + the fixed 10 round magazine possibly being useful in getting around the single feature limit so one could possess an AR platform firearm. <shrugs> i wouldnt buy it to modify my currently owned stuff, but its a nice option to shove it up malloys ass the key to this kit, is it theoretically would allow you to buy/sell a post-ban AR with no legal repercussions. (pre-ban AR's [manufactured before sept 94'] are still legal to buy/sell/transfer per 53-202m) |
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The problem with this is once you block the magazine release with this product you are then limited to just 10 rounds in the "fixed" magazine. Meaning you'd probably have to either use a fixed 10 round magazine or permanently bock a "large capacity magazine" to 10 rounds and use it as the fixed magazine. Its nice to have a product like this as an option, but I don't know if I'd want to use it in my AR along with a fixed 10 round magazine just to get around the need for the "certificate of possession" for lawfully possessed AR's. Now if there is some way around the "copies or duplicates" of AR-15's that were in production on 4/4/13 ban language, then I could see this + the fixed 10 round magazine possibly being useful in getting around the single feature limit so one could possess an AR platform firearm. <shrugs> i wouldnt buy it to modify my currently owned stuff, but its a nice option to shove it up malloys ass the key to this kit, is it theoretically would allow you to buy/sell a post-ban AR with no legal repercussions. (pre-ban AR's [manufactured before sept 94'] are still legal to buy/sell/transfer per 53-202m) and also to register, if you want, your stuff that you have now, and then pick up more lowers and use this device to piss off the libs |
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The problem with this is once you block the magazine release with this product you are then limited to just 10 rounds in the "fixed" magazine. Meaning you'd probably have to either use a fixed 10 round magazine or permanently bock a "large capacity magazine" to 10 rounds and use it as the fixed magazine. Its nice to have a product like this as an option, but I don't know if I'd want to use it in my AR along with a fixed 10 round magazine just to get around the need for the "certificate of possession" for lawfully possessed AR's. Now if there is some way around the "copies or duplicates" of AR-15's that were in production on 4/4/13 ban language, then I could see this + the fixed 10 round magazine possibly being useful in getting around the single feature limit so one could possess an AR platform firearm. <shrugs> i wouldnt buy it to modify my currently owned stuff, but its a nice option to shove it up malloys ass the key to this kit, is it theoretically would allow you to buy/sell a post-ban AR with no legal repercussions. (pre-ban AR's [manufactured before sept 94'] are still legal to buy/sell/transfer per 53-202m) and also to register, if you want, your stuff that you have now, and then pick up more lowers and use this device to piss off the libs Who’s selling lowers? |
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the key to this kit, is it theoretically would allow you to buy/sell a post-ban AR with no legal repercussions. (pre-ban AR's [manufactured before sept 94'] are still legal to buy/sell/transfer per 53-202m) Quoted:
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The problem with this is once you block the magazine release with this product you are then limited to just 10 rounds in the "fixed" magazine. Meaning you'd probably have to either use a fixed 10 round magazine or permanently bock a "large capacity magazine" to 10 rounds and use it as the fixed magazine. Its nice to have a product like this as an option, but I don't know if I'd want to use it in my AR along with a fixed 10 round magazine just to get around the need for the "certificate of possession" for lawfully possessed AR's. Now if there is some way around the "copies or duplicates" of AR-15's that were in production on 4/4/13 ban language, then I could see this + the fixed 10 round magazine possibly being useful in getting around the single feature limit so one could possess an AR platform firearm. <shrugs> i wouldnt buy it to modify my currently owned stuff, but its a nice option to shove it up malloys ass the key to this kit, is it theoretically would allow you to buy/sell a post-ban AR with no legal repercussions. (pre-ban AR's [manufactured before sept 94'] are still legal to buy/sell/transfer per 53-202m) How would this product allow one to sell a post ban AR-15 that is already defined as an assault weapon by the updated "banned by name" list? |
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The problem with this is once you block the magazine release with this product you are then limited to just 10 rounds in the "fixed" magazine. Meaning you'd probably have to either use a fixed 10 round magazine or permanently bock a "large capacity magazine" to 10 rounds and use it as the fixed magazine. Its nice to have a product like this as an option, but I don't know if I'd want to use it in my AR along with a fixed 10 round magazine just to get around the need for the "certificate of possession" for lawfully possessed AR's. Now if there is some way around the "copies or duplicates" of AR-15's that were in production on 4/4/13 ban language, then I could see this + the fixed 10 round magazine possibly being useful in getting around the single feature limit so one could possess an AR platform firearm. <shrugs> i wouldnt buy it to modify my currently owned stuff, but its a nice option to shove it up malloys ass the key to this kit, is it theoretically would allow you to buy/sell a post-ban AR with no legal repercussions. (pre-ban AR's [manufactured before sept 94'] are still legal to buy/sell/transfer per 53-202m) How would this product allow one to sell a post ban AR-15 that is already defined as an assault weapon by the updated "banned by name" list? If it is a stripped lower that isn't named in the new ban then theoretically one could use this device while assembling said lower into a complete firearm which would then be compliant according to state law. |
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The problem with this is once you block the magazine release with this product you are then limited to just 10 rounds in the "fixed" magazine. Meaning you'd probably have to either use a fixed 10 round magazine or permanently bock a "large capacity magazine" to 10 rounds and use it as the fixed magazine. Its nice to have a product like this as an option, but I don't know if I'd want to use it in my AR along with a fixed 10 round magazine just to get around the need for the "certificate of possession" for lawfully possessed AR's. Now if there is some way around the "copies or duplicates" of AR-15's that were in production on 4/4/13 ban language, then I could see this + the fixed 10 round magazine possibly being useful in getting around the single feature limit so one could possess an AR platform firearm. <shrugs> i wouldnt buy it to modify my currently owned stuff, but its a nice option to shove it up malloys ass the key to this kit, is it theoretically would allow you to buy/sell a post-ban AR with no legal repercussions. (pre-ban AR's [manufactured before sept 94'] are still legal to buy/sell/transfer per 53-202m) How would this product allow one to sell a post ban AR-15 that is already defined as an assault weapon by the updated "banned by name" list? If it is a stripped lower that isn't named in the new ban then theoretically one could use this device while assembling said lower into a complete firearm which would then be compliant according to state law. True, which is why I alluded to that in my earlier post. If you can get around the banned by name ban on "AR-15" then this product is useful. However, for existing post ban AR-15's that are already considered assault weapons, this product doesn't get around the fact that the AR-15 is banned by name.
Like was said earlier, anything that can be used to get around this restrictive law is a good thing. Anything that pisses off Dictator Malloy and his gun grabbing cohorts is a good thing. |
| so theoretically, if you have a AR that is banned by name, you can strip it down and bring the lower receiver to another state and trade it for a lower receiver that is not banned by name. then add this part to the receiver while still in that state. then you can have it "imported" into CT legally. just remember that if you are not a resident of the state you do these transactions in, you'd need to do everything through FFL's to avoid breaking federal law. |
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I went and took a look at all my lowers. Those are my OA, Stags, Deltons and PSAs. None have a model name of AR15 on them. Even the Aero and EAs I sold off didn't have a model name AR15.
Not sure if my Olympic arms is banned. They banned a ton of OA models, but my rifle doesn't have a model name on the lower. The rest of my lowers aren't banned by name, but by type. This device is a nice bit of hardware, but doesn't help me. All my stripped lowers were bought on dps-3-c's. Once the state gets through their backlog, it will be common knowledge I own them. So I don't have a problem registering those. Going forward, I think that mag release is the best alternative to the bullet buttons and monster grips. I can't wait for a range day when I see spade grips on AR15s mounted on tripods. I'd love to keep my preban off the rolls. It was bought with a handshake and cash. This is one issue I think the state needs to make legal ruling on. 
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True, which is why I alluded to that in my earlier post. If you can get around the banned by name ban on "AR-15" then this product is useful. However, for existing post ban AR-15's that are already considered assault weapons, this product doesn't get around the fact that the AR-15 is banned by name.
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Interesting. I like how they put the little language in at the end by saying it "may" avoid the ban state's definition of detachable magazine. Question is does the method they show to eject the magazine constitute disassembly of the firearm action under our stupid laws? Even with a fixed magazine you'd still be limited to 10 rounds. The other issue is that IF (and that's a big IF) non-named AR-15 type firearms are not assault weapons by "name" under the new list, and an individual used that device to avoid such a firearm being considered an assault weapon on feature count...even if they install 10 rounders with that that device- they are screwed if they own compatible large capacity magazines....since they would be in constructive possession of an assault weapon. |
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Reference please re: constructive possession of standard capacity magazines and the AWB? I think what JAD is referring to is subparagraph (F) highlighted in red below. Its possible that having lawfully possessed large capacity magazines for the AR that are not permanently blocked to 10 rounds could constitute a "part" to convert or assemble an AR firearm that isn't an assault weapon, into an assault weapon under our states laws. (E) Any semiautomatic firearm regardless of whether such firearm is listed in subparagraphs (A) to (D), inclusive, of this subdivision, and regardless of the date such firearm was produced, that meets the following criteria:
(i) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: (I) A folding or telescoping stock; (II) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; (III) A forward pistol grip; (IV) A flash suppressor; or (V) A grenade launcher or flare launcher; or (ii) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the ability to accept more than ten rounds; or (iii) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than thirty inches; or (iv) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: (I) An ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside of the pistol grip; (II) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward pistol grip or silencer; (III) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to fire the firearm without being burned, except a slide that encloses the barrel; or (IV) A second hand grip; or (v) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the ability to accept more than ten rounds; or (vi) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following: (I) A folding or telescoping stock; and (II) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; or (vii) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or (viii) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder; or (ix) Any semiautomatic firearm that meets the criteria set forth in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013; or (F) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in any provision of subparagraphs (B) to (E), inclusive, of this subdivision, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in any provision of subparagraphs (B) to (E), inclusive, of this subdivision, may be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; |
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The other issue is that IF (and that's a big IF) non-named AR-15 type firearms are not assault weapons by "name" under the new list, and an individual used that device to avoid such a firearm being considered an assault weapon on feature count...even if they install 10 rounders with that that device- they are screwed if they own compatible large capacity magazines....since they would be in constructive possession of an assault weapon. Quoted:
The other issue is that IF (and that's a big IF) non-named AR-15 type firearms are not assault weapons by "name" under the new list, and an individual used that device to avoid such a firearm being considered an assault weapon on feature count...even if they install 10 rounders with that that device- they are screwed if they own compatible large capacity magazines....since they would be in constructive possession of an assault weapon. I'll go one step even more stupider. How about having possession of an AR15 with this contraption along with the original parts that you replaced it with? Wouldn't that be an AW? C.G.S. 53-202a(1)(A)(ii):
"Assault Weapon" means... (ii) ... any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; It seems to me that I could just pull this thing out and put my rear takedown pin back in -- netting me nothing in the eyes of the law unless I through the old parts in the trash. |
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I'll go one step even more stupider. How about having possession of an AR15 with this contraption along with the original parts that you replaced it with? Wouldn't that be an AW? It seems to me that I could just pull this thing out and put my rear takedown pin back in -- netting me nothing in the eyes of the law unless I through the old parts in the trash. Quoted:
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The other issue is that IF (and that's a big IF) non-named AR-15 type firearms are not assault weapons by "name" under the new list, and an individual used that device to avoid such a firearm being considered an assault weapon on feature count...even if they install 10 rounders with that that device- they are screwed if they own compatible large capacity magazines....since they would be in constructive possession of an assault weapon. I'll go one step even more stupider. How about having possession of an AR15 with this contraption along with the original parts that you replaced it with? Wouldn't that be an AW? C.G.S. 53-202a(1)(A)(ii):
"Assault Weapon" means... (ii) ... any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subparagraph (A)(i) of this subdivision, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; It seems to me that I could just pull this thing out and put my rear takedown pin back in -- netting me nothing in the eyes of the law unless I through the old parts in the trash. True The takedown pin wouldn't be the problem- my understanding is that the takedown pin in the mag-lock kit is just a quick-remove pin. The mag block/release is the important pin. Dispose of some how... |
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I think what JAD is referring to is subparagraph (F) highlighted in red below. Its possible that having lawfully possessed large capacity magazines for the AR that are not permanently blocked to 10 rounds could constitute a "part" to convert or assemble an AR firearm that isn't an assault weapon, into an assault weapon under our states laws. Quoted:
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Reference please re: constructive possession of standard capacity magazines and the AWB? I think what JAD is referring to is subparagraph (F) highlighted in red below. Its possible that having lawfully possessed large capacity magazines for the AR that are not permanently blocked to 10 rounds could constitute a "part" to convert or assemble an AR firearm that isn't an assault weapon, into an assault weapon under our states laws. (E) Any semiautomatic firearm regardless of whether such firearm is listed in subparagraphs (A) to (D), inclusive, of this subdivision, and regardless of the date such firearm was produced, that meets the following criteria:
(i) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: (I) A folding or telescoping stock; (II) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; (III) A forward pistol grip; (IV) A flash suppressor; or (V) A grenade launcher or flare launcher; or (ii) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the ability to accept more than ten rounds; or (iii) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than thirty inches; or (iv) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following: (I) An ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside of the pistol grip; (II) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward pistol grip or silencer; (III) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to fire the firearm without being burned, except a slide that encloses the barrel; or (IV) A second hand grip; or (v) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the ability to accept more than ten rounds; or (vi) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following: (I) A folding or telescoping stock; and (II) Any grip of the weapon, including a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing; or (vii) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or (viii) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder; or (ix) Any semiautomatic firearm that meets the criteria set forth in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013; or (F) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in any provision of subparagraphs (B) to (E), inclusive, of this subdivision, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in any provision of subparagraphs (B) to (E), inclusive, of this subdivision, may be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person; (E)(V)(ii) and what you highlighted, indeed. |
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Reference please re: constructive possession of standard capacity magazines and the AWB? Public Act 13-3 defines an assault weapon as any firearm with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds. It also defines an AW as "parts" which can convert a firearm into an AW. If you have standard (30rnd) magazines and this device on your AR then you would also have an AW. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Public Act 13-3 defines an assault weapon as any firearm with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds. It also defines an AW as "parts" which can convert a firearm into an AW. If you have standard (30rnd) magazines and this device on your AR then you would also have an AW. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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Reference please re: constructive possession of standard capacity magazines and the AWB? Public Act 13-3 defines an assault weapon as any firearm with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds. It also defines an AW as "parts" which can convert a firearm into an AW. If you have standard (30rnd) magazines and this device on your AR then you would also have an AW. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah, I understood that part. :) |
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It seems to me that I could just pull this thing out and put my rear takedown pin back in -- netting me nothing in the eyes of the law unless I through the old parts in the trash. Wow. I just have to call myself out on that massive grammar fail. HOLY CRAP! Someone with half a brain and some dignity!! that's a rarity these days! |
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Quoted: Yeah, I understood that part. :) Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Reference please re: constructive possession of standard capacity magazines and the AWB? Public Act 13-3 defines an assault weapon as any firearm with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds. It also defines an AW as "parts" which can convert a firearm into an AW. If you have standard (30rnd) magazines and this device on your AR then you would also have an AW. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah, I understood that part. :) Sorry for the rehash, I was posting from my phone last night and it didn't show page 2 with all the replies  |
| not sure how the new law is in CT, but in NY having parts that could turn your ar style rifle back into its orginal configuration means nothing. and in NY the law is not by make and model, it is by features alone. i am very confident that we are going to beat this law down in NY with the legal attacks we have going, but if for some strange reason we were stuck with this abomination i would entertain buying this product because; frankly, its the best looking option to be in conformance with these bullshit laws. the stocks that are modified to not be pistol grips look horrendous. some states like commiefornia are screwed and have been for longer than us in the north east. i hope you guys in ct are fighting with law suits to get this bullshit thrown the hell out! |
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not sure how the new law is in CT, but in NY having parts that could turn your ar style rifle back into its orginal configuration means nothing. and in NY the law is not by make and model, it is by features alone. i am very confident that we are going to beat this law down in NY with the legal attacks we have going, but if for some strange reason we were stuck with this abomination i would entertain buying this product because; frankly, its the best looking option to be in conformance with these bullshit laws. the stocks that are modified to not be pistol grips look horrendous. some states like commiefornia are screwed and have been for longer than us in the north east. i hope you guys in ct are fighting with law suits to get this bullshit thrown the hell out! See the above quoted sections of law. We have a statutorily defined constructive possession clause- as we have had, since the original feature ban was implemented. |