Posted: 7/22/2013 8:50:12 AM EDT
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Again, I know it's been covered, uncovered and the last time I read certain threads it was up in the air and no one was sure....
* REGISTRATION/LAWS * Are "pre ban" AR's which were not listed by name exempt from registration? Example a PWA, Olympic etc? * Are these said "pre bans" still legal to transfer in the state of CT? * For magazine registration could I just state the manufacturer under make? For example Glock or, do I have to state the model of the firearm, ex Glock 17 or G17? * Can I list all my mags on one form? Or, do I need a separate form for each type of magazine? This would be stupid. * Am I suppose to fill out the bottom of the AW form that gets mailed back to me? Obviously, I must thumb print both. * I think that we are still waiting to find out about the SS # requirement right? * Are there going to be Pre Ban AW and Post Ban AW or did we find out that they will be all lumped together? Hence no more pinned stocks and "evil" features allowed? * Use the AW cert to register my pistol with a threaded barrel correct? * If you have registered AR's & Lowers can you have parts for them? Or, will you be in violation of the law for having parts that can convert a rifle into an AW? Example: am I a law breaker because I have an extra pistol grip laying around? * Is anyone entering anything under "unique markings" on the form? I was planning to use the infor on my DPS 3 form. What ever the DPS form says is what's going on the AW form verbatim. So, I was planning on entering N/A in this field. Probably forgetting something, we'll see. |
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Again, I know it's been covered, uncovered and the last time I read certain threads it was up in the air and no one was sure.... * REGISTRATION/LAWS * Are "pre ban" AR's which were not listed by name exempt from registration? Example a PWA, Olympic etc? Yes, that's what PA 13-220 appears to indicate * Are these said "pre bans" still legal to transfer in the state of CT? Yes, that's what PA 13-220 appears to indicate * For magazine registration could I just state the manufacturer under make? For example Glock or, do I have to state the model of the firearm, ex Glock 17 or G17? The magazine registration form gives examples right on the form on how to register. For "Type" you can probably put "Glock 9mm" or something to that effect. Only way to know is to submit the form and see if they reject it. Here is the example from the application form: Make (if available): Ammunition Storage Components Type: 6.5 Grendel Capacity: 17 Number of Magazines: 20 * Can I list all my mags on one form? Or, do I need a separate form for each type of magazine? This would be stupid. Yes you can list multiple groups of similar/identical magazines on one form. There are 13 lines available. * Am I suppose to fill out the bottom of the AW form that gets mailed back to me? Obviously, I must thumb print both. Yes. You leave the "Certificate Number" field empty, the state fill that out then sends the lower half of the form back to you. * I think that we are still waiting to find out about the SS # requirement right? Yes. Some claim they've been told by DESPP or State Police that the form will be rejected without the SS#. No word yet from those who have submitted forms sans SS# if this is really the case. * Are there going to be Pre Ban AW and Post Ban AW or did we find out that they will be all lumped together? Hence no more pinned stocks and "evil" features allowed? The law does not appear to prohibit adding or removing features from registered assault weapons. * Use the AW cert to register my pistol with a threaded barrel correct? Yes. * If you have registered AR's & Lowers can you have parts for them? Or, will you be in violation of the law for having parts that can convert a rifle into an AW? Example: am I a law breaker because I have an extra pistol grip laying around? * Is anyone entering anything under "unique markings" on the form? I was planning to use the infor on my DPS 3 form. What ever the DPS form says is what's going on the AW form verbatim. So, I was planning on entering N/A in this field. Probably forgetting something, we'll see. Your questions have been mostly discussed and answered in several previous threads and in the NEW stickied FAQ at the top of CTHTF. Answers to most in red. |
| SBHaven I appreciate the reply. I just find it wild that you don't have to register a pre ban. How do they not consider it an AW? By features and or "AR type alone" one would think that it would be mandated. Imagine having to try and explain this to a LEO if they ever find it in your possession. Trying to explain that you don't need a certificate because its a pre ban. I think that you would end up having to sort it out down at the station in hand cuffs. |
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SBHaven I appreciate the reply. I just find it wild that you don't have to register a pre ban. How do they not consider it an AW? By features and or "AR type alone" one would think that it would be mandated. Imagine having to try and explain this to a LEO if they ever find it in your possession. Trying to explain that you don't need a certificate because its a pre ban. I think that you would end up having to sort it out down at the station in hand cuffs. I had to do that once many moons ago during the fed ban years at Wooster Mountain when a police officer who was there talking to someone else saw me shooting a 1980's vintage Mini-14 with 30 round magazines and what he thought was a flash hider. Got into a lengthy discussion on the legality of "preban" firearms/magazines with him. He refused to believe, probably because I was in my late teens, what I was telling him until another person who overheard the conversation stepped in and confirmed what I was telling him. From then on I started carrying a copy of the laws with me during the Fed ban years to point out to the non believers that my stock Mini and its 30 rounders were legal to shoot. More than once after that I had to pull out the paperwork and show the person (including RO's) claiming I was breaking the law, the actual law. For those who choose to register both their assault weapons and large capacity magazines, I would plan on keeping a copy of the certificate of possession for the assault weapon with me in my range bag or gun case at all times, I would also keep a copy of the completed/notarized magazine registration application in my range bag as well, just in case. 
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i am also wondering if pre-bans are legal to transfer. it would almost appear that they are. Quoted:
i am also wondering if pre-bans are legal to transfer. it would almost appear that they are. Yes "prebans" that were not banned by name under the pre 4/4/13 law and which were manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 are apparently legal to transfer according to the law. While they are considered assault weapons they are apparently exempt from being registered and from the prohibition on transferring them. Seriously read the law (quoted below), I and others have posted it repeatedly every single time this question comes up in these threads. And yet the question keeps being asked. Quoted:
question - the pre-bans that are registered - if you bought one, say last year, did you have to switch the registration? how did that even work? Not quite sure what you are asking. If you registered your "assault weapon" (obtained a "certificate of possession") back in 1993/1994 you could not and still cannot (with certain exceptions) sell or transfer that firearm to another person within the state of Connecticut. Here, again, is the law language that appears to exempt "prebans" manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 and not banned by name under the pre 4/4/13 law... Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):
Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. |
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Yes "prebans" that were not banned by name under the pre 4/4/13 law and which were manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 are apparently legal to transfer according to the law. While they are considered assault weapons they are apparently exempt from being registered and from the prohibition on transferring them. Seriously read the law (quoted below), I and others have posted it repeatedly every single time this question comes up in these threads. And yet the question keeps being asked. Not quite sure what you are asking. If you registered your "assault weapon" (obtained a "certificate of possession") back in 1993/1994 you could not and still cannot (with certain exceptions) sell or transfer that firearm to another person within the state of Connecticut. Here, again, is the law language that appears to exempt "prebans" manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 and not banned by name under the pre 4/4/13 law... Quoted:
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i am also wondering if pre-bans are legal to transfer. it would almost appear that they are. Yes "prebans" that were not banned by name under the pre 4/4/13 law and which were manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 are apparently legal to transfer according to the law. While they are considered assault weapons they are apparently exempt from being registered and from the prohibition on transferring them. Seriously read the law (quoted below), I and others have posted it repeatedly every single time this question comes up in these threads. And yet the question keeps being asked. Quoted:
question - the pre-bans that are registered - if you bought one, say last year, did you have to switch the registration? how did that even work? Not quite sure what you are asking. If you registered your "assault weapon" (obtained a "certificate of possession") back in 1993/1994 you could not and still cannot (with certain exceptions) sell or transfer that firearm to another person within the state of Connecticut. Here, again, is the law language that appears to exempt "prebans" manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 and not banned by name under the pre 4/4/13 law... Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):
Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. Dumb question, but what would an example be of a gun that (a) is a pre-ban and (b) didn't need to be registered during the first go around in 1994? |
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Dumb question, but what would an example be of a gun that (a) is a pre-ban and (b) didn't need to be registered during the first go around in 1994? Quoted:
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i am also wondering if pre-bans are legal to transfer. it would almost appear that they are. Yes "prebans" that were not banned by name under the pre 4/4/13 law and which were manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 are apparently legal to transfer according to the law. While they are considered assault weapons they are apparently exempt from being registered and from the prohibition on transferring them. Seriously read the law (quoted below), I and others have posted it repeatedly every single time this question comes up in these threads. And yet the question keeps being asked. Quoted:
question - the pre-bans that are registered - if you bought one, say last year, did you have to switch the registration? how did that even work? Not quite sure what you are asking. If you registered your "assault weapon" (obtained a "certificate of possession") back in 1993/1994 you could not and still cannot (with certain exceptions) sell or transfer that firearm to another person within the state of Connecticut. Here, again, is the law language that appears to exempt "prebans" manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 and not banned by name under the pre 4/4/13 law... Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):
Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. Dumb question, but what would an example be of a gun that (a) is a pre-ban and (b) didn't need to be registered during the first go around in 1994? Paratrooper stock on an M1 carbine Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Dumb question, but what would an example be of a gun that (a) is a pre-ban and (b) didn't need to be registered during the first go around in 1994? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/mr_joshua/DSCN1365.jpg so basically pre-ban lowers for AR-15s? what about complete AK-74's made before '94? and closed bolt MAC's made before '94? man just when i think i understand the laws here, my understanding is completely overturned.
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so basically pre-ban lowers for AR-15s? what about complete AK-74's made before '94? and closed bolt MAC's made before '94? man just when i think i understand the laws here, my understanding is completely overturned. Quoted:
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Dumb question, but what would an example be of a gun that (a) is a pre-ban and (b) didn't need to be registered during the first go around in 1994? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/mr_joshua/DSCN1365.jpg so basically pre-ban lowers for AR-15s? what about complete AK-74's made before '94? and closed bolt MAC's made before '94? man just when i think i understand the laws here, my understanding is completely overturned. MACs were banned by name in 2000 and lumped with the '94 ban... Edit... Non-transferable Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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MACs were banned by name in 2000 and lumped with the '94 ban... Edit... Non-transferable Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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Dumb question, but what would an example be of a gun that (a) is a pre-ban and (b) didn't need to be registered during the first go around in 1994? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/mr_joshua/DSCN1365.jpg so basically pre-ban lowers for AR-15s? what about complete AK-74's made before '94? and closed bolt MAC's made before '94? man just when i think i understand the laws here, my understanding is completely overturned. MACs were banned by name in 2000 and lumped with the '94 ban... Edit... Non-transferable Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I assume an AK would still be good to go then? or even a non-FN FAL? Obviously only if over 20 years old. |
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Wow I guess I was gone for a while...I never heard about prebans not needing to be registered.... 
What would be the benefit of not registering prebans if your registering post bans though?--I'm seriously asking. Why register a "preban" that can have all the evil features when the law says it doesn't have to be registered? |
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But, because my pre-ban is named. I have to register. That's fucked up. Because I didn't pick pre-ban lower "B" instead, that turns out to not be named. I get screwed. This state blows!  Quoted:
But, because my pre-ban is named. I have to register. That's fucked up. Because I didn't pick pre-ban lower "B" instead, that turns out to not be named. I get screwed. This state blows! Uh Wat? If your "preban" was banned by name under the pre-4/4/13 law, its always been illegal since the previous AWB was passed back in the mid 90's. If you didn't register it back then you cannot register it now. Reread the following statute (which was quoted earlier in this thread) from PA 13-220, again. It exempt "prebans" from the new 53-202a updated by PA 13-3 (ETA and PA 13-220) which contains the expanded banned by name list. Sec. 11. Section 53-202m of the general statutes is repealed and the following is substituted in lieu thereof (Effective from passage):
Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, as amended by this act, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a of the general statutes, revision of 1958, revised to January 1, 2013, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994. |
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Uh Wat? If your "preban" was banned by name under the pre-4/4/13 law, its always been illegal since the previous AWB was passed back in the mid 90's. If you didn't register it back then you cannot register Quoted:
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But, because my pre-ban is named. I have to register. That's fucked up. Because I didn't pick pre-ban lower "B" instead, that turns out to not be named. I get screwed. This state blows! Uh Wat? If your "preban" was banned by name under the pre-4/4/13 law, its always been illegal since the previous AWB was passed back in the mid 90's. If you didn't register it back then you cannot register ^^^^^^^^^ This |
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But, because my pre-ban is named. I have to register. That's fucked up. Because I didn't pick pre-ban lower "B" instead, that turns out to not be named. I get screwed. This state blows! Uh Wat? If your "preban" was banned by name under the pre-4/4/13 law, its always been illegal since the previous AWB was passed back in the mid 90's. If you didn't register it back then you cannot register ^^^^^^^^^ This Don't you just love it when you click on the wrong link!!!! Ok, my pre-ban is A-ok!! Now, to get my blood pressure back to normal.
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Why register a "preban" that can have all the evil features when the law says it doesn't have to be registered? Quoted:
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Wow I guess I was gone for a while...I never heard about prebans not needing to be registered....
What would be the benefit of not registering prebans if your registering post bans though?--I'm seriously asking. Why register a "preban" that can have all the evil features when the law says it doesn't have to be registered? Well I just figured if your registering post bans then they know you have evil weapons at your house what's the difference if you register a preban as well. Seems like it wouldn't hurt anything. I mean if all you have is preban receivers than you don't have to register any and your all set and its a beautiful thing.... My other issue is my 1 preban is already registered with the ATF, so to me it really doesn't matter if I register it with the state also. I'm not saying my theory works for everyone or that everyone should agree, I'm kinda just considering what the options are and the benefits of doing it each way. |
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Don't you just love it when you click on the wrong link!!!! Ok, my pre-ban is A-ok!! Now, to get my blood pressure back to normal.Quoted:
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But, because my pre-ban is named. I have to register. That's fucked up. Because I didn't pick pre-ban lower "B" instead, that turns out to not be named. I get screwed. This state blows! Uh Wat? If your "preban" was banned by name under the pre-4/4/13 law, its always been illegal since the previous AWB was passed back in the mid 90's. If you didn't register it back then you cannot register ^^^^^^^^^ This Don't you just love it when you click on the wrong link!!!! Ok, my pre-ban is A-ok!! Now, to get my blood pressure back to normal.Hahaha I think that's what the state wants, all of us to drop dead from all the bullshit they're causing us. |
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Well I just figured if your registering post bans then they know you have evil weapons at your house what's the difference if you register a preban as well. Seems like it wouldn't hurt anything. I mean if all you have is preban receivers than you don't have to register any and your all set and its a beautiful thing.... My other issue is my 1 preban is already registered with the ATF, so to me it really doesn't matter if I register it with the state also. I'm not saying my theory works for everyone or that everyone should agree, I'm kinda just considering what the options are and the benefits of doing it each way. I'm not following you logic or reasoning. What would registering a preban gain you other than generating more paperwork for you and DESPP? |
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How about A Connecticut legal PRE-BAN Eagle Arms AR 15. Does it need to be Registerd? I assume it does. Sorry if that is a dumb question but I am a little confused. Thanks. It is all fucking confusing. According to what the boys told me and what the law states; I think that you DON'T have to register your pre ban Eagle. However, I'd wait for one of the more knowledgable people to confirm. |
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How about A Connecticut legal PRE-BAN Eagle Arms AR 15. Does it need to be Registerd? I assume it does. Sorry if that is a dumb question but I am a little confused. Thanks. Per the section of law quoted twice (here and here) earlier in this thread and referenced in the new CTHTF FAQ; if a firearm classified as an assault weapon was manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 and is not on the banned by name list of the pre 4/4/13 law then, as the law appears to indicate, such a firearm does not need to be registered and can be transferred. |
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Per the section of law quoted twice (here and here) earlier in this thread and referenced in the new CTHTF FAQ; if a firearm classified as an assault weapon was manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 and is not on the banned by name list of the pre 4/4/13 law then, as the law appears to indicate, such a firearm does not need to be registered and can be transferred. Quoted:
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How about A Connecticut legal PRE-BAN Eagle Arms AR 15. Does it need to be Registerd? I assume it does. Sorry if that is a dumb question but I am a little confused. Thanks. Per the section of law quoted twice (here and here) earlier in this thread and referenced in the new CTHTF FAQ; if a firearm classified as an assault weapon was manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 and is not on the banned by name list of the pre 4/4/13 law then, as the law appears to indicate, such a firearm does not need to be registered and can be transferred. So, if they are legal to transfer. How come some shops are not willing to accept a pre-ban lower? Shouldn't we be able to get these? |
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So, if they are legal to transfer. How come some shops are not willing to accept a pre-ban lower? Shouldn't we be able to get these? Quoted:
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How about A Connecticut legal PRE-BAN Eagle Arms AR 15. Does it need to be Registerd? I assume it does. Sorry if that is a dumb question but I am a little confused. Thanks. Per the section of law quoted twice (here and here) earlier in this thread and referenced in the new CTHTF FAQ; if a firearm classified as an assault weapon was manufactured prior to September 13, 1994 and is not on the banned by name list of the pre 4/4/13 law then, as the law appears to indicate, such a firearm does not need to be registered and can be transferred. So, if they are legal to transfer. How come some shops are not willing to accept a pre-ban lower? Shouldn't we be able to get these? because shops hafta play it safe, their anal virginity and ffl are at stake they are nervous because the clause was taken out in public act 13-3, then put back in, in the amended act, but the clause refers to sections of the law that no longer exist |
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because shops hafta play it safe, their anal virginity and ffl are at stake they are nervous because the clause was taken out in public act 13-3, then put back in, in the amended act, but the clause refers to sections of the law that no longer exist "Sec. 53-202m. Circumstances when assault weapons exempt from limitations on transfers and registration requirements" was not "taken out" of PA 13-3, nor was it repealed or modified by PA 13-3. In fact PA 13-3 only mentions 53-202m once in the language repealing and then rewriting Section 29-36n. PA 13-220 repealed 53-202m but used almost the exact language with the addition of 16 or so new words for the rewritten new, current, version of 53-202m. Cannot blame the shops for not publicly selling "prebans" or for FFL not publicly doing "preban" transfers in spite of what the repealed and revised 53-202m statute says. Their ass is on the line. I assume they'd be quadruple checking with their lawyers and anyone else they can when it comes to what's in PA 13-3 and PA 13-220. |
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Yea the way I'm looking at it is like this.....I'm already registering a bunch of post bans, so whats the difference if I register 1 more preban.....I dont have to look over my shoulder every time I bring it out, because I'm sure LEO wont understand the law and wont believe me because I must be evil since I have "evil weapons".
The day that a preban receiver transfers through an FFL is the day that I probably wont register it though. I just HOPE this happens before January. |
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I will probably register one of my ARs soon as a test then all the others I will wait and see. I will see what happens to my pre-bans by the end of the year. If still no decision I will register to be safe. I bought both of them from FFL so it is not like CT does not know about them already. They don't know about the 10 80% lowers I machined and built. I will register those.
I wish I could register my Colt that I bought in the 80s but refused to register the first time around. I would love to bring it home from Florida. |