Posted: 5/3/2013 7:57:30 AM EDT
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Maybe this is one of those things that you should "shut up until the dust settles" but I want to throw it out there.
I just read the portion of the new law pertaining to magazines. The law says you can't distribute/import/sell/transfer ect. ect. One thing I noticed is it said obviously you can manufacture them for sale out of state. I did not see anything saying that you cannot make them yourself for personal use, so as long as you dont transfer or distribute it. All of that being said, if anyone isnt up to date with this amazing project created by a fellow liberty-minded crypto anarchist called www.defcad.com Basically, what Im saying is, the CAD drawings for these are IMPOSSIBLE to regulate. If I had a 3D printer, which can be had for less than a thousand bucks now, based on everyone elses interpretation of this law, would i be able to print magazines, and then order the springs and followers for them online and assemble them? So as long as they are not transferred/sold.distributed/imported? thoughts please. |
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Can I rent your printer when your done.  If this is legal, we should absolutely get one co-op style. I can see gun stores buying one and "renting printing time" to print our mags or anything else, there isnt many places to rent these, other people would be interested, these is one for rent at a maker den in New Haven, you have to be a member and pay 50/ a month to access their machines, I emailed htem asking baout using their machine to print mags and they never answered. |
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I just read the portion of the new law pertaining to magazines. The law says you can't distribute/import/sell/transfer ect. ect. One thing I noticed is it said obviously you can manufacture them for sale out of state. I did not see anything saying that you cannot make them yourself for personal use, so as long as you dont transfer or distribute it. From the new law: (d) A large capacity magazine may be possessed, purchased or imported by:
(1) Members or employees of the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties or when off duty; (2) Employees of a Nuclear Regulatory Commission licensee operating a nuclear power generating facility in this state for the purpose of providing security services at such facility, or any person, firm, corporation, contractor or subcontractor providing security services at such facility; or (3) Any person, firm or corporation engaged in the business of manufacturing large capacity magazines in this state that manufactures or transports large capacity magazines in this state for sale within this state to persons specified in subdivision (1) or (2) of this subsection or for sale outside this state. If you "manufacture" LCM's you can possess them for sale within this state to exempted individuals or for sale outside of the state. There is nothing prohibiting the use of magazine parts or having a completely unassembled LCM. The problem is, unless your one of the exempted parties, once you fully assemble a working LCM that is capable of holding more than 10 rounds post April 4th, 2013 you did not have "lawful possession" of it, hence it is illegal and is not supposed to be registered. |
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Either way you would still have to register them. Are you referring to me? I disagree with the laws but would like to keep my house/freedom So you can manufacture for sale to the exempt groups. So what if you manufaxture them and no one sells them, can I sit on them indefinitely? |
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If this is the same guy I saw on a morning news show a couple of weeks ago, he had made a poly lower also. Every govt intrusion has a genius that will create a work around, or a black/ grey market. It's the American way. Bootleggers Union. Yeah theres videos of them printing a lower, installing an LPK, upper, stock. The lower survives usualy arround 100 rounds before the buffer snaps the plastic at the stock. Im excited to see where this goes, because this will make all of their laws un enforacable. |
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Either way you would still have to register them. Are you referring to me? I disagree with the laws but would like to keep my house/freedom So you can manufacture for sale to the exempt groups. So what if you manufaxture them and no one sells them, can I sit on them indefinitely? I think everyone here disagrees with the laws and would like to keep your house/freedom. I would think they would make you show that you are making them to sell to exempt groups. I would imagine you would have to have an actual business with tax returns and some other paperwork. If for some reason the state finds you using them, they would have to be registered. My guess is that you would be defending yourself in court if the state found out. |
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Maybe this is one of those things that you should "shut up until the dust settles" but I want to throw it out there. I just read the portion of the new law pertaining to magazines. The law says you can't distribute/import/sell/transfer ect. ect. One thing I noticed is it said obviously you can manufacture them for sale out of state. I did not see anything saying that you cannot make them yourself for personal use, so as long as you dont transfer or distribute it. All of that being said, if anyone isnt up to date with this amazing project created by a fellow liberty-minded crypto anarchist called www.defcad.com Basically, what Im saying is, the CAD drawings for these are IMPOSSIBLE to regulate. If I had a 3D printer, which can be had for less than a thousand bucks now, based on everyone elses interpretation of this law, would i be able to print magazines, and then order the springs and followers for them online and assemble them? So as long as they are not transferred/sold.distributed/imported? thoughts please. My thought is that anyone with a join date of April 2013 asking these kinds of questions is either an a$$hole or someone trolling for ideas from the other side (i.e. journalist, etc.), or both. I'll eventually warm up to you. Good luck in getting people to help you with ideas to circumvent the law though. EDIT: I have a bunch of friends that I've recently encouraged to join AFRCOM. If the OP is one of those friends and has finally joined only to get this kind of reception from me, I apologize. 
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| I understand until registration day everyone is free to get magazines however they want. I was asking to get a more broad interpretation of this law. And as far as the dude being concerned about my join date, my political views don't necessarily mesh with the majority of other 2A supporters. I don't believe firearms ownership is a 2A issue. I don't acknowledge the states power in telling you what you can or can't own or do. Period. A lot of the vitriol of this crowd is misguided, and IMO can make a world of a difference if they'd put their support in the right direction. It is possible now to conduct business transactions 100% anonymously with no central authority to oversee or trace the funds. The same logic apoes to the free flow of information, soon this information which now can be manifested into physical goods |
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I understand until registration day everyone is free to get magazines however they want. Everyone is free to ignore the new law and buy LCM's, but if that magazine is date stamped and that date stamp is post April 4, 2013 then they hold an illegal LCM. If caught with it then they can be prosecuted. Of course nothing stops one from defacing the magazine to remove the date stamp. Of course currently being caught with an illegal LCM one receives an infraction and a fine of not more than ninety dollars for a first offense. For each subsequent offence one can receive a class D felony. After January 1, 2014 one receives a class D felony for each LCM obtained on or after April 4, 2013. And if one is convicted of a felony they loose their right to firearms in this state. |
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I understand until registration day everyone is free to get magazines however they want. Everyone is free to ignore the new law and buy LCM's, but if that magazine is date stamped and that date stamp is post April 4, 2013 then they hold an illegal LCM. If caught with it then they can be prosecuted. Of course nothing stops one from defacing the magazine to remove the date stamp. Of course currently being caught with an illegal LCM one receives an infraction and a fine of not more than ninety dollars for a first offense. For each subsequent offence one can receive a class D felony. After January 1, 2014 one receives a class D felony for each LCM obtained on or after April 4, 2013. And if one is convicted of a felony they loose their right to firearms in this state. How could you actually have an illegal LCM right now? You mean loaded to standard capacity LCM? The magazines themselves are not illegal to have, only to buy....but good luck buying one in state anyways. |
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I understand until registration day everyone is free to get magazines however they want. Everyone is free to ignore the new law and buy LCM's, but if that magazine is date stamped and that date stamp is post April 4, 2013 then they hold an illegal LCM. If caught with it then they can be prosecuted. Of course nothing stops one from defacing the magazine to remove the date stamp. Of course currently being caught with an illegal LCM one receives an infraction and a fine of not more than ninety dollars for a first offense. For each subsequent offence one can receive a class D felony. After January 1, 2014 one receives a class D felony for each LCM obtained on or after April 4, 2013. And if one is convicted of a felony they loose their right to firearms in this state. How could you actually have an illegal LCM right now? You mean loaded to standard capacity LCM? The magazines themselves are not illegal to have, only to buy....but good luck buying one in state anyways. One would have an illegal LCM if they purchased a disassembled magazine that holds more than 10 rounds and assembled it into a working magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Nothing in the new law appears to prohibit buying disassembled magazines for parts. One can legally buy an LCM in a free state, but the moment you bring it into CT you are in possession of an illegal magazine since it was obtained after April 4th, 2013. |
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One can legally buy an LCM in a free state, but the moment you bring it into CT you are in possession of an illegal magazine since it was obtained after April 4th, 2013. True but nearly impossible to prove unless there is a date code on the mag. Very true. Without a date stamp on the magazine it would be hard to prove and even then one can grind off the date code. Unless of course one keeps the receipt showing the purchase date of the magazine and the police search one's home and find it... Unlike NY's laws our wonderful laws do not, as of now, prohibit defacing the magazine to remove the unique identifier, date or serial number. Won't be surprised to see that fixed though if people start getting busted with date stamped magazines that have the information defaced. The problem is that after January 1st, 2014 registration cut off date, if for what ever reason the police find in your possession more LCM's than you have registered, you could be screwed with a Felony. Most will never face this problem but an unfortunate few will. |
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What if you put 10 round limiters in your 30 round mags. Still have to register them, yes or no? Also would the limiter have to be perminately fixed in place? yes still have to register them, because the law says you have to register any that can accept more than 10 rounds or be capable of easily being converted to accept more than 10 rounds, which could easily be done by simply removing the limiter. there is no way to permanently fix a limiter in place. because the only thing you could connect it to is the baseplate, which can easily be replaced. true 10rd mags have a body that is only long enough to accept 10 rounds. |
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What if you put 10 round limiters in your 30 round mags. Still have to register them, yes or no? Also would the limiter have to be perminately fixed in place? yes still have to register them, because the law says you have to register any that can accept more than 10 rounds or be capable of easily being converted to accept more than 10 rounds, which could easily be done by simply removing the limiter. there is no way to permanently fix a limiter in place. because the only thing you could connect it to is the baseplate, which can easily be replaced. true 10rd mags have a body that is only long enough to accept 10 rounds. Install a limiter and permanently affix the baseplate to the magazine body with epoxy or weld. Poof! permanent. |
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there is no way to permanently fix a limiter in place. because the only thing you could connect it to is the baseplate, which can easily be replaced. true 10rd mags have a body that is only long enough to accept 10 rounds. Not quite true. For Glock magazines the company MagazineBlocks.com uses a block that not attached to the base plate for Glock magazines. As such one would have to use epoxy to permanently affix the base plate so it can no longer be removed. An example of their magazine block: 
Glock 10 round magazines have bodies beyond the length required to hold 10 rounds. Here's a few examples: 
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What if you put 10 round limiters in your 30 round mags. Still have to register them, yes or no? Also would the limiter have to be perminately fixed in place? yes still have to register them, because the law says you have to register any that can accept more than 10 rounds or be capable of easily being converted to accept more than 10 rounds, which could easily be done by simply removing the limiter. there is no way to permanently fix a limiter in place. because the only thing you could connect it to is the baseplate, which can easily be replaced. true 10rd mags have a body that is only long enough to accept 10 rounds. Install a limiter and permanently affix the baseplate to the magazine body with epoxy or weld. Poof! permanent. that would work :) I'm not a fan of that myself though. the whole purpose for the baseplate being removable is so it can be cleaned and lubed, or refreshed with new parts. springs do wear out, and sometimes followers wear too. Quoted:
Glock 10 round magazines have bodies beyond the length required to hold 10 rounds. I've actually never seen a true 10rd mag from glock before. thanks, good to know |