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10/28/2012 4:16:56 PM EDT
I know this has been answered because I've read the answer before lol.  I cant remember though...so I'm sorry to you put you guys through this again.

If I wanted to build an sbr do I need a pre ban lower?  If I used a muzzle brake, no bayo lug, and pinned stock, would it still need to be a pre ban, or would a post ban lower and a tax stamp be fine?

Thanks guys.
10/28/2012 4:21:28 PM EDT
[#1]
Post-ban SBR's are fine.

You just have to abide by the normal AWB rules.
10/28/2012 4:27:34 PM EDT
[#2]
Oh beautiful thanks Dan!
10/29/2012 5:39:20 AM EDT
[#3]
Yep you can do a post-ban SBR but need to comply with the AWB.


(in before someone reminds us that a SBR with a barrel under 12" is also a pistol so you need a preban lower for that)  
10/29/2012 9:09:17 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Yep you can do a post-ban SBR but need to comply with the AWB.


(in before someone reminds us that a SBR with a barrel under 12" is also a pistol so you need a preban lower for that)  


DAMNT!  Thats what I was thinking....I knew there was a reason I thought I remembered that a preban lower was needed to do something like a 10.5" barrel.
SO in order to do a barrel 10.5" I would need a preban lower?  Just so I'm sure...?
10/29/2012 9:52:09 AM EDT
[#5]
Weren't you going to attach a brake?  Most are designed to add 1.5".
10/29/2012 10:28:21 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Weren't you going to attach a brake?  Most are designed to add 1.5".


Touche'  Johnny A

10/29/2012 2:28:17 PM EDT
[#7]
10/29/2012 2:44:45 PM EDT
[#8]
BR, what configuration are you thinking?

I'm thinking of doing another SBR, but on a post-ban this time.   I'm looking at the "Kino" configuration from
BCM.   It's a 12.5" with mid-length handguards and front sight, but carbine gas.
10/29/2012 4:08:06 PM EDT
[#9]
Double tap
10/29/2012 4:12:28 PM EDT
[#10]
An 11.5 with a pinned battle comp or similar would be over 12inches
a 10.5 would require a longer muzzle device but would be doable.

For shits and giggles you could pin a 6 inch fake can to a 7.5 legally but that would rival the aids cannon




If you want to use a Suppresor and be able to use your adjusting stock get the preban

If you can live with never using a Suppresor on it ( You could pin a Suppresor mount brake but use may or may not be legal in state )and either a fixed or pinned stock get the postban

The difference is $100 postban lower or a $600+ preban lower.



10/29/2012 4:22:45 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
BR, what configuration are you thinking?

I'm thinking of doing another SBR, but on a post-ban this time.   I'm looking at the "Kino" configuration from
BCM.   It's a 12.5" with mid-length handguards and front sight, but carbine gas.


That sounds pretty cool Dan, I'll look into that.

I was contemplating an mk18 mod 1 clone though, to be the little brother of my m4a1 block II clone.

I actually have a battlecomp 1.5 on one of my 14.5" barrels and I'm just passed 16"....

The only downfall of going postban would be the fact that I would never be able to suppress it.
My plans were to only suppress an mk12 clone though, so not too big of a deal

EDIT: Just watched that video lol funny stuff there!
So why do you need to have a pre ban lower if your going less than 12"?
Wouldn't you only need a pistol permit?
10/29/2012 4:46:34 PM EDT
[#12]
The Gemtech Halo clamps on to some muzzle devices.
11/8/2012 5:08:07 PM EDT
[#13]
Anyone have an idea how long YHM muzzle brake is? I have a 10.5" 300 Blk barrel need to get to 12.000000001" thanks! Can I use a suppressor on a post ban sbr lower.?
11/9/2012 4:56:52 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Anyone have an idea how long YHM muzzle brake is? I have a 10.5" 300 Blk barrel need to get to 12.000000001" thanks! Can I use a suppressor on a post ban sbr lower.?


sounds like someone is making an AIDSCANNON.....

ETA, according to SFLU, you can use a can on a postban rifle, as long as you use a QD brake/comp to attach the can

ETA again, if your making an aidscannon, it technically falls outside of the AWB, so you could use a FH....
11/9/2012 5:35:38 AM EDT
[#15]
I have seen pictures but define aidscannon....
11/9/2012 5:37:57 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
I have seen pictures but define aidscannon....


pistol buffer tube, no stock.  bbl 12.1 inches long.

not a rifle, not a pistol.
11/9/2012 5:39:12 AM EDT
[#17]
Negative.
11/9/2012 6:11:59 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Anyone have an idea how long YHM muzzle brake is? I have a 10.5" 300 Blk barrel need to get to 12.000000001" thanks! Can I use a suppressor on a post ban sbr lower.?


sounds like someone is making an AIDSCANNON.....

ETA, according to SFLU, you can use a can on a postban rifle, as long as you use a QD brake/comp to attach the can

ETA again, if your making an aidscannon, it technically falls outside of the AWB, so you could use a FH....


He's using a 10.5" barrel so it would be classified as a pistol.  AIDSCannon has a 12.x barrel and no stock.



11/9/2012 7:06:28 AM EDT
[#19]
If I pin the comp / break which is 3" on it will be over 12." Do you need an sbr lower for said aids cannon
11/9/2012 7:12:43 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
If I pin the comp / break which is 3" on it will be over 12." Do you need an sbr lower for said aids cannon


If you don't put a stock on it then it's not an SBR.
If you pin a muzzle device on it for more than 12" total barrel length then it's not a pistol.  
––- you could permanently attach a flash hider to get over 12" too, because they are legal on postban "firearms" that are neither pistols/rifles


Example:
7.5" barrel with a 5.6" flash hider permanently installed would be 12.1" and therefore not a pistol.   No stock?  Therefore not a rifle.
Voila!   Aidscannon.