Posted: 7/13/2009 10:02:36 AM EDT
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I had a question about ar15 lower receivers and transferring them to another individual in state only. My buddy is getting his pistol permit and I just had a thought the the other day, because hes gonna have a permit he doesn't have to wait for any background checks, etc..,so if i wanted another AR15 lower receiver and he bought it online, it got shipped to the FFL could he pick it up and then sell it or transfer it to me without the FFL involved or any wait or do I have to undergo the 2week background check as usual? thank you.
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| well we both have clean records, both have bought rifles before and everything im just gonna wait a few months b4 i get my permit and hes doing his like right now it was a hypothetical scenario like if ever got a ton of money and decided to build another rifle could we do the purchase like that and I just wanted to know whether it would be totally legal or just to be safe wait the 14 days |
| I maybe wrong but Isn't there something in the federal form that has a box indication "I am the buyer"? If his friend checks "yes" with the intention of circumventing the waiting period for his "friend", who can't readily purchase it himself sounds like a straw purchase. Whether or not he can legally own a firearm is irrelavant. More importantly, lying on the form may cause a visit. |
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I maybe wrong but Isn't there something in the federal form that has a box indication "I am the buyer"? If his friend checks "yes" with the intention of circumventing the waiting period for his "friend", who can't readily purchase it himself sounds like a straw purchase. Whether or not he can legally own a firearm is irrelavant. More importantly, lying on the form may cause a visit. Yup. |
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I maybe wrong but Isn't there something in the federal form that has a box indication "I am the buyer"? If his friend checks "yes" with the intention of circumventing the waiting period for his "friend", who can't readily purchase it himself sounds like a straw purchase. Whether or not he can legally own a firearm is irrelavant. More importantly, lying on the form may cause a visit. Yup. Ya but it says you can circumvent that if the purchase your making is a bona fide gift for another individual, so it can swing both ways... i wouldnt want to try it out but thanks alot for all your input guys |
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I maybe wrong but Isn't there something in the federal form that has a box indication "I am the buyer"? If his friend checks "yes" with the intention of circumventing the waiting period for his "friend", who can't readily purchase it himself sounds like a straw purchase. Whether or not he can legally own a firearm is irrelavant. More importantly, lying on the form may cause a visit. Yup. Ya but it says you can circumvent that if the purchase your making is a bona fide gift for another individual, so it can swing both ways... i wouldnt want to try it out but thanks alot for all your input guys But what you described is not a gift. Listen to the people in this thread- they know what they are tallking about. If you do not want to get you pistol permit now(or if you are not of age yet), get your hunting license- it is a good thing to have, and legally removes you from the waiting period for longarms |
Not to hijack this thread but I wanted to know if I can purchase and give a Mosin Nagant M44 to my Brother in law ? He had his pistol permit but let it lapse, he has a shotgun already. I started getting into the curio and relic arms and purchased 2 M44's and wanted to give him one for helping out my family. How do I go about giving him the rifle, do I just give it to him or do I have to sign off on any papers ? Have not received the rifles yet, they will be here this weekend at my ffl. Or should I just have him sign off on one when I go to pick it up ? Really do not want him to wait, need a shooting buddy 
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Not to hijack this thread but I wanted to know if I can purchase and give a Mosin Nagant M44 to my Brother in law ? He had his pistol permit but let it lapse, he has a shotgun already. I started getting into the curio and relic arms and purchased 2 M44's and wanted to give him one for helping out my family. How do I go about giving him the rifle, do I just give it to him or do I have to sign off on any papers ? Have not received the rifles yet, they will be here this weekend at my ffl. Or should I just have him sign off on one when I go to pick it up ? Really do not want him to wait, need a shooting buddy it is a little more complicated if you use a C&R license to purchase, but I dont think you did, so yes, if it is a gift, a true gift with rifle going to him with no money coming back, yes you can. Personally, when I have done that, I have simply paid in advance or on the spot and had the person fill out their paperwork in their name at the gunshop, but I understand that you dont want to wait, so... |
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To the OP––-Wait the 14,it is going to take you at least that long to find and get shipped any of the other stuff that you will be building up your lower with anyway so why mess about?
Any smart dealer sniffs out what you and your buddy are trying to do and they will cut short the transaction and boot you real quick. Sounds nuts but they have to protect themselves! |
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Quoted: As long as he isn't prohibited from purchasing the firearm, it is not a straw purchase. A "straw purchase" under Federal law occurs when a a person makes a false statement to a FFL on a 4473 that they are the "actual buyer" of the firearm when in fact they are not. It is not dependent on whether the "actual buyer" is a prohibited person or not. In the OP scenario both subjects would be violating federal law. |