[ARCHIVED THREAD] - HTF cops (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/28/2013 5:33:09 PM EDT
| What type of ammo do yall carry for duty? Ball or hollow points? Im gettin back in the security field for the weekends for a few extra bucks and cant recall what ammo I used last time I was in security. |
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JHP all the way. I've heard of a few old timers that used to carry 1911's with ball ammo, but IMHO that's just plain crazy! Even in 45 acp ball ammo has a tendency to over penetrate, shoot the bad guy and maybe kill an innocent bystander with the same bullet, it has happened! |
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If you are buying the ammo yourself I highly encourage you to consider the Corbon DPX it pretty much outperforms anything else on the market, barring that Speer Golddots are what OHP carries and I think they are an excellent choice. So are Golden Sabers. All of the rounds I just mentioned have one thing in common. They are all bonded jacket rounds .
Take it for what it is worth and no I am not involved in LE at this time. |
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Not a cop, but you can't go wrong with Federal HST, or Gold Dot JHP. If you reload, Gold Dot sells components. I didnt think reloads were legal for on duty carry They aren't and I wouldn't carry them as a a self-defense round either, lest some ambulance-chasing lawyer get ahold of you for using a "killer round you designed yourself". But, you gotta practice sometime, loading your own Gold Dots for practice then loading factory ammo for carry isn't a bad option to save a few bucks. |
I dont think its illegal, but the fact that it can be a liability issue should someone need shooting. No one can cry wolf about a factory load, loaded to a specific recipe. But using a reload someone can cry foul that it was designed to kill... no matter how light the load was 
At least thats what my ASG instructor told us. I think my SDA instructor said the same thing. |
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If carrying reloads is illegal, please cite the statute forbidding LE to use reloads. It is usually against LE agency procedure rules to carry reloads, but not against the law. You're right, I misspoke. It's not illegal, just bad practice for liability reasons (hence why it's against department policies). Damn lawyers 
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I dont think its illegal, but the fact that it can be a liability issue should someone need shooting. No one can cry wolf about a factory load, loaded to a specific recipe. But using a reload someone can cry foul that it was designed to kill... no matter how light the load was
At least thats what my ASG instructor told us. I think my SDA instructor said the same thing. Who would have thought a bullet would kill you!.?!???! 
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Massad Ayoob has written extensively on this subject, he is an expert witness often called in shooting cases, he recommends not using reloads for self defense or duty carry, some attorneys will try to pull up the story that you are using special killer ammo, that regular ammo isn't deadly enough for you, so reloads can be a problem in the event of a self defense shooting. Some people don't like him, but he has saved the bacon of many good guys that had to shoot in the line of duty or self defense, and were prosecuted by over zealous DA's or sued by the bad guy's family. |
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I do know that my 1911 doesnt like gold dots. I think its something about the shape of the bullet or the angle of the feed ramp. Tried gold dots before and got a bunch of failure to feed and rounds getting hung up on the feed lips. You need to polish the feed ramp and the slide breech face. |
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Very carefully, change the dimensions and you could end up with a ruined frame that couldn't be repaired.
Now how do I do that? A felt wheel with jeweler's rouge on a Drexel will just polish, not take off much metal unless you are ham handed. Ham sounds better than chicken anyway. 
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Very carefully, change the dimensions and you could end up with a ruined frame that couldn't be repaired.
Now how do I do that? A felt wheel with jeweler's rouge on a Drexel will just polish, not take off much metal unless you are ham handed. Ham sounds better than chicken anyway.
Polish away. Just don't "grind". The purists will use a Q tip and 1200 or finer compound. Run the Q tip in the direction the nose of the bullet travels and the micro groves go in the direction the bullet travels. I've done it both ways, dremel and Q tip, and I can't tell a difference. |
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Very carefully, change the dimensions and you could end up with a ruined frame that couldn't be repaired.
Now how do I do that? A felt wheel with jeweler's rouge on a Drexel will just polish, not take off much metal unless you are ham handed. Ham sounds better than chicken anyway.
a bit of common sense and a rubber dental wheel in a dremel is all that is needed. |
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Ive settled with Hornady Critical Defense. They were just inside my budget at $25 
They are feeding, extracting and ejecting fine out of my 1911. Except for the firing part, so far im liking how their cycling in my gun. I used the hornaday custom 200gr xtp +p; all the 45 acp's I've owned except one would feed it like a fat kid eating candy |
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Ive settled with Hornady Critical Defense. They were just inside my budget at $25
They are feeding, extracting and ejecting fine out of my 1911. Except for the firing part, so far im liking how their cycling in my gun. Look into the Hornady Zombie Max then. It sounds dumb, but they are basically the same as the Critical Defense, just with a green tip instead of grey. They are usually at least a few dollars a box cheaper. |
| The only ammo so far that's given me feed issues are good dots and bare lead cast bullets. Otherwise my 1911 eats what I give it. I'm to broke to shoot it but the HP ammo I just got has dry cycled great. I just to broke to fire it to ensure I won't get jams, but I'm confident that I won't. Reviews had good things to say. |
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The only ammo so far that's given me feed issues are good dots and bare lead cast bullets. Otherwise my 1911 eats what I give it. I'm to broke to shoot it but the HP ammo I just got has dry cycled great. I just to broke to fire it to ensure I won't get jams, but I'm confident that I won't. Reviews had good things to say. Dry cycling is not equivalent to real shooting. You might be better off using ball ammo. 
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The only ammo so far that's given me feed issues are good dots and bare lead cast bullets. Otherwise my 1911 eats what I give it. I'm to broke to shoot it but the HP ammo I just got has dry cycled great. I just to broke to fire it to ensure I won't get jams, but I'm confident that I won't. Reviews had good things to say. Dry cycling is not equivalent to real shooting. You might be better off using ball ammo.
I know that. But I don't have the funds to support shooting a box or two of these HP rounds to make sure my 45 likes them. If I did, I'd be at h and h or heartland popping off a few boxes. |
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The only ammo so far that's given me feed issues are good dots and bare lead cast bullets. Otherwise my 1911 eats what I give it. I'm to broke to shoot it but the HP ammo I just got has dry cycled great. I just to broke to fire it to ensure I won't get jams, but I'm confident that I won't. Reviews had good things to say. Dry cycling is not equivalent to real shooting. You might be better off using ball ammo.
I know that. But I don't have the funds to support shooting a box or two of these HP rounds to make sure my 45 likes them. If I did, I'd be at h and h or heartland popping off a few boxes. You know there is a company online , I cant recall which one that sells sampler boxes for this purpose . 50 rounds comprised of 5 or 10 rounds of each different type of hp ammo you specify |
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The only ammo so far that's given me feed issues are good dots and bare lead cast bullets. Otherwise my 1911 eats what I give it. I'm to broke to shoot it but the HP ammo I just got has dry cycled great. I just to broke to fire it to ensure I won't get jams, but I'm confident that I won't. Reviews had good things to say. Dry cycling is not equivalent to real shooting. You might be better off using ball ammo.
I know that. But I don't have the funds to support shooting a box or two of these HP rounds to make sure my 45 likes them. If I did, I'd be at h and h or heartland popping off a few boxes. You know there is a company online , I cant recall which one that sells sampler boxes for this purpose . 50 rounds comprised of 5 or 10 rounds of each different type of hp ammo you specify Did not know that |
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The only ammo so far that's given me feed issues are good dots and bare lead cast bullets. Otherwise my 1911 eats what I give it. I'm to broke to shoot it but the HP ammo I just got has dry cycled great. I just to broke to fire it to ensure I won't get jams, but I'm confident that I won't. Reviews had good things to say. Dry cycling is not equivalent to real shooting. You might be better off using ball ammo.
I know that. But I don't have the funds to support shooting a box or two of these HP rounds to make sure my 45 likes them. If I did, I'd be at h and h or heartland popping off a few boxes.
you get in a shooting scrape and your pistol won't cycle that ammo you'll wish you did without lunch for a week so you could test how your carry/duty ammo functioned in your pistol. |
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I just gotta make it through this weekend and Ill go back to my original post where if I get in a shoot out, it will be longer range vs close quarters and I can actually afford to wait on cops before i engage.
Not to be naive, but I do remember my Semper Fu. Id prefer to shoot but if that isnt an option... Weapon of opportunity is next. Wether that be a computer monitor or a stapler. I carry other self defense items too. My whole reasoning for this question to begin with was to remember if the preference was ball or HP for duty carry. I wasnt looking to get into a pissing contest over what ammo is best, how much is needed to be spent on top shelf ammo and how to test to make sure my gun likes it. Ive given myself other options also. |
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well if your pistol does jam then the monkey kung-fu is a option; course you could also carry a razor knife and can of wd40 as impromptu back up weapons
that's why I carried 6 mags cause I didn't want to get killed for lack of shooting back ; plus I'm an incredibly poor fucking shot.
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Double Tap Ammo
That is the company that sells the variety packs of ammo I know you used to be able to buy different sizes from a single box of 50 to a couple hundred rounds. Its a good way to determine what your pistol likes best. |
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Ok, Ill put it like this,
Since my ammo choice has come under scrutiny... IF I was to get in to a shooting match this weekend with a homie gangbanger, my situation could include all of the following: I would probably have to put rounds through clothing (just about any bullet can do that) Perhaps shoot through plywood parts of the checkout stand metal wire of cigarette lighter displays bags of chips maybe glass (with the "no guns" sign on them) computer monitor plexiglass of mini cigar displays just about any other barrier that you can think of that would be in a 7-11 Wtf kind of JHP could go through all of that and still drop a bitch? Im not planning on shooting through car doors or windows. If I had to engage a target it would either be outside where we could put a few cars between us, or inside where I can take cover behind the check out counter if need be. The only barrier I would NEED to punch through would be light to heave winter clothing, like a windbreaker, hoodie, light jacket to a heavy snow coat or parka at worse. So... Any suggestions? |