Posted: 9/23/2012 2:09:17 PM EDT
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Ive looked at Box o truth but it give me anything i felt as useful unless i was going to do some shooting with sheetrock.
Im just wondering how think/deep and tall Id wanna make an earthen berm backstop to stop everything from .22 up to .308/.30-06? Ive seen that even '06 will penetrate a berm to about 2ft roughly and .223/5.56 typically goes about 8 to 10 inches. Any thoughts? |
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I've read that you can pile up rocks and broken concrete then cover with dirt and that will stop any potential pass thru. Although you have to be diligent about keeping it covered sufficiently with dirt or risk ricochets. The article said if you post on Craigslist people will line up to give you the broken concrete and stuff.
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Option, yes.
Practical... I dunno. When I put a round down range I dont want there to be a possibility of it bouncing off a rock or chip of concrete and going wayward and either hitting a house or person or just as bad, someones livestock. Id rather it hit the berm and be stopped dead in less then 3 to 5ft cause there may be a time when I decide to cast my own bullets im gonna want to go to my berm and dig out the deformed bullets 
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| A while back my parents wanted a pond put in at out house. There are company's out there that will come out and test your soil to see if it is good enought to hold water it if is you got yourself a pond/berm. Two birds one stone! The only catch is if someone wants to fish it you would have to let them but I don't think you have to have it posted. I can't remember what the place was called but I'm sure the Oklahoma wildlife department would be able to help. It always an idea... I personally like the no cost part! |
| I have heard of using old tires stacked with dirt filled in, and then the the dirt put on top of it. I guess it kinda acts like those barriers that the military went to. When I asked the old guy about ricochets he said not a problem because the dirt covered the tires and the tires absorbed some of the impact thus spreading the density. It is a though. |
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find an old culvert/wash out and cut one of the banks down piling the dirt onto what is going to be the back stop.
course if the land you are creating your backstop/berm on don't have a culvert you can always dig into the rise of the land piling the dirt ontop of the backstop (think of lex's south range). |
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I like the idea of tracker tires filled with dirt and also the use of railroad ties no only as a backing but to help keep the berm from loosing face so to speak. Never been to Lex, don't have a hunting license yet. It's a good thing you don't have a hunting license. Dad said you couldn't hit the ground with a 1911 if you dropped it. 
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I like the idea of tracker tires filled with dirt and also the use of railroad ties no only as a backing but to help keep the berm from loosing face so to speak. Never been to Lex, don't have a hunting license yet. It's a good thing you don't have a hunting license. Dad said you couldn't hit the ground with a 1911 if you dropped it.
At least I can see the ground 
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I like the idea of tracker tires filled with dirt and also the use of railroad ties no only as a backing but to help keep the berm from loosing face so to speak. Never been to Lex, don't have a hunting license yet. It's a good thing you don't have a hunting license. Dad said you couldn't hit the ground with a 1911 if you dropped it.
At least I can see the ground  it's been a long lime since dad saw his toes without bending over.
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Here's their description: The NRA Range Source Book Description The complete treatise on shooting ranges. Forty-four sections of information on range operation and construction hints collected for you in a three-ring binder. A guide to every aspect of range development that needs to be considered whether starting fresh, adding on or updating your range. Complete Source Book includes Outdoor and Indoor Range packets.
It's on clearance for like $30 so I'm not sure if they're going to continue selling it. |
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Here's their description: The NRA Range Source Book Description The complete treatise on shooting ranges. Forty-four sections of information on range operation and construction hints collected for you in a three-ring binder. A guide to every aspect of range development that needs to be considered whether starting fresh, adding on or updating your range. Complete Source Book includes Outdoor and Indoor Range packets. It's on clearance for like $30 so I'm not sure if they're going to continue selling it. Cool, have to see about ordering that on payday |
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Dad and George were setting up a 1000 yd range when an oil drilling platform was built in the middle of their range. He had gone as far as buying the steel plates from Wideners And George had done some dirt work. They were basically going shoot into the side of a hill but still needed a flat spot for setting targets. They were going to build a movable bench.
You need to consider if you will have a fixed firing point and various target distant set ups or a fixed target set up and moving firing points. Dad will tell you that moving firing points is much easier to set up than having fixed firing points. You have a much better range if you have a fixed firing point (shelter, concrete bench, etc) though. As much as dad likes shooting at TriCity and OKC Gun Club from underneath a roof, he's always said the closer you can get to simulating the real situations where you will use your rifle, the better you are. Shooting prone and on my butt in the grass is something he insisted I do growing up. Even with property to shoot on, I don't think my dad would go to much trouble to set up a shooting range. |
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Dad and George were setting up a 1000 yd range when an oil drilling platform was built in the middle of their range. He had gone as far as buying the steel plates from Wideners And George had done some dirt work. They were basically going shoot into the side of a hill but still needed a flat spot for setting targets. They were going to build a movable bench. You need to consider if you will have a fixed firing point and various target distant set ups or a fixed target set up and moving firing points. Dad will tell you that moving firing points is much easier to set up than having fixed firing points. You have a much better range if you have a fixed firing point (shelter, concrete bench, etc) though. As much as dad likes shooting at TriCity and OKC Gun Club from underneath a roof, he's always said the closer you can get to simulating the real situations where you will use your rifle, the better you are. Shooting prone and on my butt in the grass is something he insisted I do growing up. Even with property to shoot on, I don't think my dad would go to much trouble to set up a shooting range. Good points. While Im still young, I figure Ill have moving firing points mainly because of the style/type of shooting I plan on doing. Maybe later when I get old and ugly like Dan, Ill modify it to movable targets and set firing point. |
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Dad and George were setting up a 1000 yd range when an oil drilling platform was built in the middle of their range. He had gone as far as buying the steel plates from Wideners And George had done some dirt work. They were basically going shoot into the side of a hill but still needed a flat spot for setting targets. They were going to build a movable bench. You need to consider if you will have a fixed firing point and various target distant set ups or a fixed target set up and moving firing points. Dad will tell you that moving firing points is much easier to set up than having fixed firing points. You have a much better range if you have a fixed firing point (shelter, concrete bench, etc) though. As much as dad likes shooting at TriCity and OKC Gun Club from underneath a roof, he's always said the closer you can get to simulating the real situations where you will use your rifle, the better you are. Shooting prone and on my butt in the grass is something he insisted I do growing up. Even with property to shoot on, I don't think my dad would go to much trouble to set up a shooting range. Good points. While Im still young, I figure Ill have moving firing points mainly because of the style/type of shooting I plan on doing. Maybe later when I get old and ugly like Dan, Ill modify it to movable targets and set firing point. I think dad would suggest you should start shooting shotguns. He said you always put out a lot of lead before you hit your target.... 
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Dad and George were setting up a 1000 yd range when an oil drilling platform was built in the middle of their range. He had gone as far as buying the steel plates from Wideners And George had done some dirt work. They were basically going shoot into the side of a hill but still needed a flat spot for setting targets. They were going to build a movable bench. You need to consider if you will have a fixed firing point and various target distant set ups or a fixed target set up and moving firing points. Dad will tell you that moving firing points is much easier to set up than having fixed firing points. You have a much better range if you have a fixed firing point (shelter, concrete bench, etc) though. As much as dad likes shooting at TriCity and OKC Gun Club from underneath a roof, he's always said the closer you can get to simulating the real situations where you will use your rifle, the better you are. Shooting prone and on my butt in the grass is something he insisted I do growing up. Even with property to shoot on, I don't think my dad would go to much trouble to set up a shooting range. Good points. While Im still young, I figure Ill have moving firing points mainly because of the style/type of shooting I plan on doing. Maybe later when I get old and ugly like Dan, Ill modify it to movable targets and set firing point. I think dad would suggest you should start shooting shotguns. He said you always put out a lot of lead before you hit your target....
He hadnt seen much combat style rifle shooting has he?
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He hadnt seen much combat style rifle shooting has he? No and he'll tell you he doesn't EVER want to see any. That doesn't mean he won't respond though if he has too. He's all about the differences in where and how guns are used though. He can't carry a M4 into Wal-Mart but he will carry a 38. But that's weird too. He'll shoot that M4 a thousand times more than the 38 he carries in his pocket every day. 
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my back stop has 4" of rubber belt line then railroad ties then 6foot of sand
45 acp at point blank will not go threw 1/2" of rubber belt line 223 goes threw 6 layers of 1/2 belt line then stops you could hang on sheet of rubber belt line and shoot pistols with no back stop a lot of guys stack tires and fill them with sand sand is your friend 
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Wasn't Soonerman building a home range too? He may have some advice for you if so. Haven't seen him online for awhile though. Now that you mention it, I think tangochaser was to. But I think his impact area was at the side of a hill so he didn't have to worry about it. |
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I can only tell you how I built mine. From front to back- Railroad tie-Railroad tie-tires filled with dirt-railroad tie. Stops everything I've thrown at it. You do tend to chew up the front layer of RR ties. Thats why I currently have two layers. Oh, teo ties deep, tires with dirt and then a single stack of ties. I like it ETA: What all have you thrown at it? |
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I can only tell you how I built mine. From front to back- Railroad tie-Railroad tie-tires filled with dirt-railroad tie. Stops everything I've thrown at it. You do tend to chew up the front layer of RR ties. Thats why I currently have two layers. Oh, teo ties deep, tires with dirt and then a single stack of ties. I like it ETA: What all have you thrown at it? Probably the hottest is 30-06/8mm/7.62x54. I really wouldnt worry about a .50 beowolf or anything like that. I just had one layer of RR ties(nothing else) when I was only shooting pistols out here. The rifle fire tended to go right through it
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I like the idea of tracker tires filled with dirt and also the use of railroad ties no only as a backing but to help keep the berm from loosing face so to speak. Never been to Lex, don't have a hunting license yet. It's a good thing you don't have a hunting license. Dad said you couldn't hit the ground with a 1911 if you dropped it.
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Dad and George were setting up a 1000 yd range when an oil drilling platform was built in the middle of their range. He had gone as far as buying the steel plates from Wideners And George had done some dirt work. They were basically going shoot into the side of a hill but still needed a flat spot for setting targets. They were going to build a movable bench. You need to consider if you will have a fixed firing point and various target distant set ups or a fixed target set up and moving firing points. Dad will tell you that moving firing points is much easier to set up than having fixed firing points. You have a much better range if you have a fixed firing point (shelter, concrete bench, etc) though. As much as dad likes shooting at TriCity and OKC Gun Club from underneath a roof, he's always said the closer you can get to simulating the real situations where you will use your rifle, the better you are. Shooting prone and on my butt in the grass is something he insisted I do growing up. Even with property to shoot on, I don't think my dad would go to much trouble to set up a shooting range. A lot of truth there. Hard to make a shot when you have never practiced that situation––muscle memory. |
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Would that book be available in a book store or only online through the NRA? Aren't you an NRA member? if you are, check the NRA website. NRA books are also available on Amazon. No i let my membership laps. Nothing on amazon so ill have to plunker down the money to get it from the nra |
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Would that book be available in a book store or only online through the NRA? Aren't you an NRA member? if you are, check the NRA website. NRA books are also available on Amazon. No i let my membership laps. Nothing on amazon so ill have to plunker down the money to get it from the nra http://www.amazon.com/The-NRA-Range-Source-Book/dp/B0071LBHOY/ref=sr_1_fkmr3_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348966484&sr=8-1-fkmr3&keywords=NRA+book+shooting+range |