Posted: 11/29/2005 2:03:14 PM EDT
| Does anyone offer an M-4 Carbine course in Oklahoma? I would be interested in attending if one exists!!! |
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Badlands offers a tactical carbine course, here's a link www.badlandstactical.net/ |
Just wondering if you've ever take one of their course's // have you taken any other course's to compare them with  I've been looking around at carbine course's and the round count they show seems awfully low compared to other's 4 day's - 500 rnds.......I'm not saying their not up to par or anything of the sort I have know Idea they may be the best in the buisness for all I know but the round count just seems low compared to most other classes that I've been looking at......I know/guess teaching methods vary....... If they had good review's from people who had taken their courses and maybee some other courses to compare them with .....I would be all for it since they are way closer than any of the other options I've looked at......... |
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I haven't taken any courses there. I have been to the facility and shot the sniper ranges though, and met some of the guys that run the place. I know that their sniper training courses are considered some of the best in the country and you won't hear a negative comment anywhere about them. As for the carbine class I didn't get to meet the person running it, I would however imagine that the round count is a minimum figure to bring, as it is with the sniper course. It would be cool find out about the course content. |
Well that's a good thing.........Like I said I wasn't at all trying to bad mouth them I'm all for a course that's closer to home.... |
| www.thepraesidiumgroup.com/ All instructors at The Praesidium Group are active Tulsa officers or operators. thay have a 2 day tactical carbine with a round count of 800 for $350 |
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For what you get in the training, is it worth it? I've seen some training done by highly regarded schools out west and it isn't that great. Just a rigid regimen of class work and trigger time, thinsgs you probably wouldn't undergo on your own but will pay someone to "coach" you through it. Engaging multiple targets at different distances, moving to cover, firing from cover, mag changes on the fly, etc are not critical skills for an everyday shooter. I've always questioned firearms intstructors and their agenda and curriculum. You would be surprised at the hesitation when asked why this or that technique is taught! If they can't answer why, just how, then there is serious shortcomings. Just be aware of what you want to achieve by attending and be sure their curriculum fits your needs. |
Considering the fact that I have been shooting religously for the last 27+ years I'm just interested to see if I think it's worth the money.... I might not think it would be benificial if it wasn't for the fact that I see how my own home defense technigues have evolved.......10 yr's ago I didn't have a need for a flashlight if their was a human figure in my house it would receive a bullet without me even thinking about trying to identify who it was"nobody had a key but me and anyone in my family knew better than to sneak in" ......now I've got two kids so I've got to know who I'm shooting at ............... Beside's when I was single I've pissed more than the cost of a carbine class away playing cards in a few hours  |
something I'm not interested in.....|
Here's the deal. Several years ago when I was instructing SDA classes - 5th licensed instructor in the state - I checked into shooting with the "Colonel" out west. After listening to the "spiel" and later observing one of their week end classes in North Texas, I came to the conclusion there are a lot of BS instructors in the firearms industry. First of all, designing any course, you must outline objectives. Second, address the level of your students. Create the format, do the class, critique the outcome. That doesn't happen in some of the shooting schools. And being taught by "operators' is pure frigging BS. I don't care if they are cops, ex-military, or legends in their own minds. Civilians are not going to be fighting house to house like in Fallujah or Baghdad. I think some of the schools are basically introductory for those who have not been around firearms for any period of time. Sniper training or Long Range Rifle Training is a different beast. Learning how to dope wind, measure distances, understand ballistics, withstand hot or cold ass weather, being uncomfortable for a LONG period of time, holding hard concentration on a target waiting for the "moment", takes a lot of time on the range to build the "first shot" accuracy. But then again, being around other shooters, and honing your skills to another level, might be worth the cost! All I can say is you better know what you want to achieve and have them clearly outline their objectives before "you puts yo' money down"! |
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