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One only needs to look to Rhode Island to see where they want to go next: https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2026/04/proposed-legislation-would-ban-possession-of-some-semiautomatic-guns-in-ri  
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Originally Posted By bulldog1967: One only needs to look to Rhode Island to see where they want to go next: https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2026/04/proposed-legislation-would-ban-possession-of-some-semiautomatic-guns-in-ri https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/Screenshot_2026-04-04_at_5_10_34%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%AFPM-3741333.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/Screenshot_2026-04-04_at_5_10_47%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%AFPM-3741334.png There is absolutely no doubt. Del. Helmer is on record in a committee hearing stating the Dems want these guns gone. The path to a ban of possession will begin with registration and a “buy-back,” and culminate in a forced dispossession. Expect a ban on pressure-bearing components to precede the aforementioned. The US will follow blueprint of GB and AUS. |
| Note that if that news story is right the RI proposal won't allow possession by individual LEOs but by LE agencies. I don't want any of these laws proposed but I'd rather see that language to help get LEOs to join the fight instead of giving them special rights. |
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Originally Posted By sharps54: Note that if that news story is right the RI proposal won't allow possession by individual LEOs but by LE agencies. I don't want any of these laws proposed but I'd rather see that language to help get LEOs to join the fight instead of giving them special rights. https://webserver.rilegislature.gov/BillText/BillText26/HouseText26/H8073.pdf Nothing will change for officers. They will still have access 24/7 to their dept.-issued ARs. Personally-owned ARs are a no-go though. |
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LIS just updated that HB217, the House version of AWB, was signed by the Senate President and House Speaker on 3/30 and 3/31 respectively, and sent to the Governor. The legislative session ended on 3/14. Status: Awaiting Governor's Action Assault firearms & certain ammunition feeding devices; purchase, sale, etc., prohibited, penalties. https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20261/HB217 This means SB749 and HB217 are both on Spanberger’s desk. Will she veto one and sign the other? |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: LIS just updated that HB217, the House version of AWB, was signed by the Senate President and House Speaker on 3/30 and 3/31 respectively, and sent to the Governor. The legislative session ended on 3/14. Status: Awaiting Governor's Action Assault firearms & certain ammunition feeding devices; purchase, sale, etc., prohibited, penalties. https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20261/HB217 This means SB749 and HB217 are both on Spanberger’s desk. Will she veto one and sign the other? Hasn’t it been on her desk for a month? I thought I had heard that if she didn’t sign it or veto it my 3/31 that it goes into law anyway. Aren’t we already cooked? |
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Originally Posted By va_gunz: Hasn’t it been on her desk for a month? I thought I had heard that if she didn’t sign it or veto it my 3/31 that it goes into law anyway. Aren’t we already cooked? I think she has until 4/13 to sign. If she doesn't sign, it becomes law anyway. |
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Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung: I think she has until 4/13 to sign. If she doesn't sign, it becomes law anyway. Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung: Originally Posted By va_gunz: Hasn’t it been on her desk for a month? I thought I had heard that if she didn’t sign it or veto it my 3/31 that it goes into law anyway. Aren’t we already cooked? I think she has until 4/13 to sign. If she doesn't sign, it becomes law anyway. The Governor apparently has amended HB217 and created a substitute. The substitute is not yet available. See link. https://lis.blob.core.windows.net/files/1215570.PDF |
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VA State Sen. Saddam Salim (D-Fairfax/Falls Church) Announces His Candidacy for the New VA07 (*if* the Redistricting Amendment passes on 4/21); Pledges to "Champion Empathy, Justice, and Progress" Yes, that Salim. In the video he touts passing the AWB. And the redistricting amendment referendum has not even been settled…  Saddam Salim for Congress - Announcement |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare:Pledges to "Champion Empathy, Justice, and Progress" Yes, that Salim. In the video he touts passing the AWB. And the redistricting amendment referendum has not even been settled… When you can’t run on policy or your record you run on feels. Not surprising. The districts were drawn with candidates in mind. You know, Instead of voters picking representatives, representatives pick voters. |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: VA State Sen. Saddam Salim (D-Fairfax/Falls Church) Announces His Candidacy for the New VA07 (*if* the Redistricting Amendment passes on 4/21); Pledges to "Champion Empathy, Justice, and Progress" Yes, that Salim. In the video he touts passing the AWB. And the redistricting amendment referendum has not even been settled… Why would he wait? Helmer announced his run for the district that was set up to conveniently include his house a couple weeks ago. They all seem to think that this is a foregone conclusion, and the courts aren't going to be any help since they took the approach of "Let's hear what the people think." Unfortunately, most people don't bother to understand anything they vote for or are just "Orange Man bad!" voters so they'll read "restore fairness" and think that that's a good thing (you know, sort of like the "common sense gun laws" we'll see these guys pushing). So they'll vote for it and political power and control gets solidified. |
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Originally Posted By Doc_Samson: Always disappointed to see how many are willing to comply with infringement because... reasons. Always jealous of the Left and their willingness to do whatever the f-ck they want, regardless of laws, and back each other up doing it. If "we" had that level of unity, none of this garbage would have come close to passing. But we don't, so... we've got the gov't we deserve, I guess... Along with the inability to compromise or make progress piecemeal, yeah, it's a big problem the right has. The other sad irony of their behavior is that they're empowering the idea that it's up to you to prove innocence. As opposed to the state having to prove you guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. It's not like it's going to stop VSP, Arlington, or Fairfax police from kicking in your door, shooting your dog and permanently scarring your children whether you have a receipt or not, or whether they're honest enough to not lose it in evidence handling. |
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Originally Posted By Ambridge77: Tavor or Steyr? Should I consider Hellion? Yes, I'm considering prices. Separate thread, but ambidexterity in terms of charging is really the only advantage of the Hellion, although I have shot just about every bullpup out there and like the design a lot. They're both stupid durable and stupid reliable if you seat your magazines all the way, and all AR people say the trigger sucks. You can train around that, I certainly had no issues to near 700 yards with my FS2000. |
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Separate thread, but ambidexterity in terms of charging is really the only advantage of the Hellion, although I have shot just about every bullpup out there and like the design a lot. I’ve only shot the Hellion once at a rental range, but two additional features that appeal to me over the others are the adjustable length stock and the AR-compatible pistol grip (the BCM Mod 3 that it comes with is my preferred grip, but anyone can change it to their favorite). |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: https://preview.redd.it/look-at-this-guys-sb-749-v0-k3295qj1b3vg1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d22a9435f26fc6784758df87298548465e77da54 Per the VCDL legislative process page: "April 22, 2026, General Assembly reconvenes to consider the Governor's actions." |
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The Demonrats are definitely calculating. Governor Snow signs bill, with more restrictive amendments - sent back to legislature - exactly one week from the special election on re-redistricting. * Does this mean that tallying the early voting numbers they project the referendum has passed? * Are the numbers low and they're trying to rally their base with this AWB nonsense? * Adds an emergency clause for UBCs which has a vote threshold of four-fifths of the members voting in each house of the General Assembly. * Just set up a 14th amendment issue with latest changes to the assault weapon bill. Was this on purpose to poison the bill? Or are they that stupid? * Are they trying to rile up 2A groups to organize a protest in Richmond this weekend before the special election vote? - Makes for great content, the boogie man is personified. |
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It is hard to tell - there were rumors recently on adding a permit to purchase. Maybe that is tied in with the hunting guns. Or maybe was BS or a smoke screen. We are all sure they are dragging this out to avoid messing up the redistricting vote. VSP announcement was odd. Strategic or a mis-direct? There could also be a lot of disagreement behind the scenes which is making things look spastic. Every one had their own agenda (or overlord, as in spambuger's case). |
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Originally Posted By Yankee-Carpet-Bagger: The Demonrats are definitely calculating. Governor Snow signs bill, with more restrictive amendments - sent back to legislature - exactly one week from the special election on re-redistricting. * Does this mean that tallying the early voting numbers they project the referendum has passed? * Are the numbers low and they're trying to rally their base with this AWB nonsense? * Adds an emergency clause for UBCs which has a vote threshold of four-fifths of the members voting in each house of the General Assembly. * Just set up a 14th amendment issue with latest changes to the assault weapon bill. Was this on purpose to poison the bill? Or are they that stupid? * Are they trying to rile up 2A groups to organize a protest in Richmond this weekend before the special election vote? - Makes for great content, the boogie man is personified. How does an awb have anything to do with the 14th? 18-21 year Olds? I thought she was asking for more clamped downs. |
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I told you guys about the UBC stuff, lol. All they had to do was remove the age restriction and bam, it's a done deal. With that said, my thought on the AWB is that they're going to include a registration with the local PD on it so that they can ID all grandfathered ones. That or require that magazines have a date on them. The whole "help LE" is basically some sort of registration hint, in my opinion but I guess we shall see. Along with the VSP talking about door to door confiscation, I believe this is a hint to all that. They're going to require some sort of mass registration system. |
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I'll need to read the actual proposed changes, but I believe the governor has proposed a law that says that: Benelli M4 with M1014-style (long) fixed stock = not assault weapon Benelli M4 with 2-position (long and short) M1014-style stock (which would be an aftermarket add-on) = assault weapon Benelli M4 with aftermarket Mesa Tactical Urbino fixed (short) stock = not assault weapon This kind of pointless crap needs to be called out. It literally has no point, unless the aim is to ban variable length of pull in large shotguns. |
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Originally Posted By dalle0001: I told you guys about the UBC stuff, lol. All they had to do was remove the age restriction and bam, it's a done deal. With that said, my thought on the AWB is that they're going to include a registration with the local PD on it so that they can ID all grandfathered ones. That or require that magazines have a date on them. The whole "help LE" is basically some sort of registration hint, in my opinion but I guess we shall see. Along with the VSP talking about door to door confiscation, I believe this is a hint to all that. They're going to require some sort of mass registration system. That’s not what came out with the amendments this morning. The amendment proposed was to take out pistol grips from the shotgun features and to change definition 1 of an AW to a semi auto with a capacity of 15 instead of a fixed capacity. Combined with the change to 1524 it means you can’t carry anything holding over 15 rounds. |
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The proposed changes have to do with not making several semi auto shotguns assault weapons to be used for hunting still. There was also a UBC added and put into effect immediately and directed VSP to conduct background checks again. Also safe storage was changed to allow trigger locks to render weapons safe instead of a mandatory safe. But ultimately this was done to not sway the redistricting vote on April 21. I’m Pretty positive the release from VSP Lt. Col. was also meant to not sway the redistricting vote and not make gun control the agenda. This is not Canada and LE are not gonna risk their lives over gun confiscation! Most would quit. We are humans and have the care about the constitution and second amendment rights like the rest of you and not robots taking unconstitutional orders like some of you all believe. |
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Washington Gun Law on youtube dropped a video with the send back changes. highlights- Underage possession (21) will be immediate, not July 1 Even if high cap mags are grandfathered. will be against the law to carry them in public (pistols included ) UBC are coming back. I may have misunderstood some of his wording. (I hope so) but he did say the changes are worse then the original bills. He has been dropping a lot of info & I have looking out for his videos. vcdl hasn't undated anything. |
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Originally Posted By 243hunter: The proposed changes have to do with not making several semi auto shotguns assault weapons to be used for hunting still. There was also a UBC added and put into effect immediately and directed VSP to conduct background checks again. Also safe storage was changed to allow trigger locks to render weapons safe instead of a mandatory safe. But ultimately this was done to not sway the redistricting vote on April 21. I’m Pretty positive the release from VSP Lt. Col. was also meant to not sway the redistricting vote and not make gun control the agenda. This is not Canada and LE are not gonna risk their lives over gun confiscation! Most would quit. We are humans and have the care about the constitution and second amendment rights like the rest of you and not robots taking unconstitutional orders like some of you all believe. LOL. We are no longer on the same side in va. None of us will trust you come July 1. You are the enforcement wing of all this. I used to be "on the side of LE". Used to do things like a courtesy inform if Im carrying or have a firearm in the car. That changed with an encounter with a smartassed Yorktown / York Co PD / sheriff who said he would have arrested me if I didn't tell him. I told him well next time you can try, because you just ruined it for all you buddies. You might not be stupid enough to come to my door, but you know damn well you'll hem somone up when you pull them over and they have a G17 or VP9 with a 17 round factory mag in it. We aren't stupid. |
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| I saw on Reddit where someone was saying if you buy a handgun after July 1st then your grandfathered mags can't be used with that gun. Example: My G17 mags I have now can't be inserted in that gun. Is that true or misinterpreted. I didn't see anything about that in the proposed changes but I might not have been looking at the right bill. |
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Originally Posted By 300WinMagGuy: I saw on Reddit where someone was saying if you buy a handgun after July 1st then your grandfathered mags can't be used with that gun. Example: My G17 mags I have now can't be inserted in that gun. Is that true or misinterpreted. I didn't see anything about that in the proposed changes but I might not have been looking at the right bill. It is so convoluted that neither cops nor citizens will understand the rules. Good people will be jailed, or worse murdered, by over zealous cops/ judges/ etc. |
| You’re the one(s) separating into groups. Pure bullshit coming from some of you. You have not had one LE say to you we are in two different groups now. Place the blame where it lies who made these bills not LE! Sorry you had a bad experience with LE but there are bad apples in every career and to blanket everyone is ridiculous. |
| I’m with cryo_tech on this. While I’ve not had a bad experience with LE in the past and I realize there are a lot of bad apples in the business, I have not trusted anyone in LE for years. There are too many examples of them NOT using common sense and “just let things be” …they either want to prove something or something else. The main problem for me with LE is the way you guys back each other to the death and I’m not talking about an arrest or something “job” related, I’m talking about when the guy has violated someone’s constitutional rights or even the law. Yep, he might get written up and maybe a couple days off without pay, but he’ll be back on the job violating again or fired and another agency will pick him up. There was a time when I would have helped someone that needed it...not anymore. I'm not risking my life, livelihood or anything else for someone that would not return the favor. God forbid I had to shoot someone to save a life, only to be charged with having a magazine that held 17 rounds instead of 15... |
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Originally Posted By 300WinMagGuy: I saw on Reddit where someone was saying if you buy a handgun after July 1st then your grandfathered mags can't be used with that gun. Example: My G17 mags I have now can't be inserted in that gun. Is that true or misinterpreted. I didn't see anything about that in the proposed changes but I might not have been looking at the right bill. The amended bills, if passed, will prohibit a >15 rd mag in your semi handgun when carrying in public. It likely even prohibits a >15 rd mag on your person - not inserted in the gun - whilst carrying/in possession of your semi handgun.  Virginia’s Governor makes assault weapon bills….worse |
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Originally Posted By GE-Mini-Gun: I’m with cryo_tech on this. While I’ve not had a bad experience with LE in the past and I realize there are a lot of bad apples in the business, I have not trusted anyone in LE for years. There are too many examples of them NOT using common sense and “just let things be” …they either want to prove something or something else. The main problem for me with LE is the way you guys back each other to the death and I’m not talking about an arrest or something “job” related, I’m talking about when the guy has violated someone’s constitutional rights or even the law. Yep, he might get written up and maybe a couple days off without pay, but he’ll be back on the job violating again or fired and another agency will pick him up. There was a time when I would have helped someone that needed it...not anymore. I'm not risking my life, livelihood or anything else for someone that would not return the favor. God forbid I had to shoot someone to save a life, only to be charged with having a magazine that held 17 rounds instead of 15... Never trust any LE. Don’t talk to the police. |
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Originally Posted By 243hunter: You’re the one(s) separating into groups. Pure bullshit coming from some of you. You have not had one LE say to you we are in two different groups now. Place the blame where it lies who made these bills not LE! Sorry you had a bad experience with LE but there are bad apples in every career and to blanket everyone is ridiculous. Choose a different career. I know precisely what the vsp training is. You're now the enforcement wing of this. Trust will be at at an all time low, if it was possible it could be lower than it already is. |
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Originally Posted By 243hunter: The proposed changes have to do with not making several semi auto shotguns assault weapons to be used for hunting still. There was also a UBC added and put into effect immediately and directed VSP to conduct background checks again. Also safe storage was changed to allow trigger locks to render weapons safe instead of a mandatory safe. But ultimately this was done to not sway the redistricting vote on April 21. I’m Pretty positive the release from VSP Lt. Col. was also meant to not sway the redistricting vote and not make gun control the agenda. This is not Canada and LE are not gonna risk their lives over gun confiscation! Most would quit. We are humans and have the care about the constitution and second amendment rights like the rest of you and not robots taking unconstitutional orders like some of you all believe. 
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Originally Posted By 243hunter: You’re the one(s) separating into groups. Pure bullshit coming from some of you. You have not had one LE say to you we are in two different groups now. Place the blame where it lies who made these bills not LE! Sorry you had a bad experience with LE but there are bad apples in every career and to blanket everyone is ridiculous. What is it they say about a single bad apple? |
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When LEOs openly criticize unconstitutional laws rather than using them as additional tools for lazy policing (racking up additional charges for criminals in possession) then they'll have my trust. Not until then. 1) Criticize the legislature for not passing constitutional carry for law abiding citizens. 2) Criticize the legislature for new hardware laws (including the LE exemption) for the law abiding. 3) Critizice the legislature for coming infringements on carry permit reciprocity for law abiding. 4) Criticize the legislature for new storage requirements for law abiding citizens (which includes funding for LE to buy new storage devices for their homes.) 5) Criticize the legislature and special interest gun control groups for their false narratives on what crime is and isn't. You get the point. Just because there isn't yet a confiscation order doesn't mean it isn't time for the enforcers to be critical. |
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Originally Posted By johnmyster: When LEOs openly criticize unconstitutional laws rather than using them as additional tools for lazy policing (racking up additional charges for criminals in possession) then they'll have my trust. Not until then. 1) Criticize the legislature for not passing constitutional carry for law abiding citizens. 2) Criticize the legislature for new hardware laws (including the LE exemption) for the law abiding. 3) Critizice the legislature for coming infringements on carry permit reciprocity for law abiding. 4) Criticize the legislature for new storage requirements for law abiding citizens (which includes funding for LE to buy new storage devices for their homes.) 5) Criticize the legislature and special interest gun control groups for their false narratives on what crime is and isn't. You get the point. Just because there isn't yet a confiscation order doesn't mean it isn't time for the enforcers to be critical. Never gonna happen. Attached File LE is the sword of the state. It will not bite its master. |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Never gonna happen. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif LE is the sword of the state. It will not bite its master. My point exactly. I will not hold my breath. |
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Originally Posted By 243hunter: The proposed changes have to do with not making several semi auto shotguns assault weapons to be used for hunting still. There was also a UBC added and put into effect immediately and directed VSP to conduct background checks again. Also safe storage was changed to allow trigger locks to render weapons safe instead of a mandatory safe. But ultimately this was done to not sway the redistricting vote on April 21. I'm Pretty positive the release from VSP Lt. Col. was also meant to not sway the redistricting vote and not make gun control the agenda. This is not Canada and LE are not gonna risk their lives over gun confiscation! Most would quit. We are humans and have the care about the constitution and second amendment rights like the rest of you and not robots taking unconstitutional orders like some of you all believe.  |
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Originally Posted By 243hunter: This is not Canada and LE are not gonna risk their lives over gun confiscation! Most would quit. We are humans and have the care about the constitution and second amendment rights like the rest of you and not robots taking unconstitutional orders like some of you all believe. Originally Posted By 243hunter: This is not Canada and LE are not gonna risk their lives over gun confiscation! Most would quit. We are humans and have the care about the constitution and second amendment rights like the rest of you and not robots taking unconstitutional orders like some of you all believe.  I needed that laugh. That being said the proposal in Canada is that retired LE are to do the door-to-door stuff. You know, or else their retirement plan "might be in trouble." Originally Posted By 243hunter: You’re the one(s) separating into groups. Pure bullshit coming from some of you. You have not had one LE say to you we are in two different groups now. Place the blame where it lies who made these bills not LE! Sorry you had a bad experience with LE but there are bad apples in every career and to blanket everyone is ridiculous. Um, just wow. I have had plenty of LE heatedly disagree with being called a "civilian." So the us-vs-them mentality is really old, and now when the rubber hits the road some want to be civilian again? oh-but-thats-different.gif ? |
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hahaha-1043.gif I needed that laugh. That being said the proposal in Canada is that retired LE are to do the door-to-door stuff. You know, or else their retirement plan "might be in trouble." Um, just wow. I have had plenty of LE heatedly disagree with being called a "civilian." So the us-vs-them mentality is really old, and now when the rubber hits the road some want to be civilian again? oh-but-thats-different.gif ? Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Originally Posted By 243hunter: This is not Canada and LE are not gonna risk their lives over gun confiscation! Most would quit. We are humans and have the care about the constitution and second amendment rights like the rest of you and not robots taking unconstitutional orders like some of you all believe. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hahaha-1043.gif I needed that laugh. That being said the proposal in Canada is that retired LE are to do the door-to-door stuff. You know, or else their retirement plan "might be in trouble." Originally Posted By 243hunter: You’re the one(s) separating into groups. Pure bullshit coming from some of you. You have not had one LE say to you we are in two different groups now. Place the blame where it lies who made these bills not LE! Sorry you had a bad experience with LE but there are bad apples in every career and to blanket everyone is ridiculous. Um, just wow. I have had plenty of LE heatedly disagree with being called a "civilian." So the us-vs-them mentality is really old, and now when the rubber hits the road some want to be civilian again? oh-but-thats-different.gif ? I encourage LE to stack up and try to confiscate arms lol 
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many years ago, when the company I worked for had police as security, some of the older guys and I would discuss firearms etc, I asked about what they did when someone , like a widow, did when they called to have guns removed from the home (Spouse pass, etc etc) the older guys would go look, and buy them, at extremely cheap prices, but give the widow some $$ and move on, the younger guys wrote up a report, chunked the guns in the trunk, and turned them in to be deposed off, same guys told me, if they ever had to go door to door, the younger guys would not have a problem kicking in the door and taking whatever I have or had no reason to not believe what they told me, and not sure if it has changed in the 12+ yrs since I had that convo,, (Betting those older guys are all now retired) |