[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Constitutional Amendment (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/3/2014 10:18:08 PM EDT
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What's the deal with the property tax Constitutional Amendment?
Why does this need to be an Amendment, why can't it simply be a legislative fix? I really don't like the idea of fooling around with the VA Constitution over something as 'petty' as property tax exemptions, even if it is for KIA's widows. Convince me, otherwise I'm voting no. |
| I'm voting no because I'm tired of legislators creating special protected groups that are exempted from things that the rest of us have to do. I served, and I respect the fact that servicemembers' widows face hardships - but I don't see a compelling reason to exempt them from property taxes. |
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VA's Constitution specifically prohibits exempting property taxes not specifically listed in the Constitution, so it is not a simple legislative fix... There is an exemption for 100% service connected disabled veterans, and if they pass away, their widows(ers), so long as the don't remarry and the property is the primary residence... As I read it, the proposed amendment extends that exemption to the widow(er) of a KIA service member, with the same limitations... Since a KIA is never actually considered disabled by the VA, the current exemption doesn't apply. I think it's reasonable exemption, perhaps more warranted than the one for a 100% vet or widow(er)...
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VA's Constitution specifically prohibits exempting property taxes not specifically listed in the Constitution, so it is not a simple legislative fix... There is an exemption for 100% service connected disabled veterans, and if they pass away, their widows(ers), so long as the don't remarry and the property is the primary residence... As I read it, the proposed amendment extends that exemption to the widow(er) of a KIA service member, with the same limitations... Since a KIA is never actually considered disabled by the VA, the current exemption doesn't apply. I think it's reasonable exemption, perhaps more warranted than the one for a 100% vet or widow(er)... OK that's the information I was looking for. Thanks. |
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VA's Constitution specifically prohibits exempting property taxes not specifically listed in the Constitution, so it is not a simple legislative fix... There is an exemption for 100% service connected disabled veterans, and if they pass away, their widows(ers), so long as the don't remarry and the property is the primary residence... As I read it, the proposed amendment extends that exemption to the widow(er) of a KIA service member, with the same limitations... Since a KIA is never actually considered disabled by the VA, the current exemption doesn't apply. I think it's reasonable exemption, perhaps more warranted than the one for a 100% vet or widow(er)... The state constitution was set up by some pretty smart guys that knew if they didn't put limits on government it would slowly become more powerful and oppressive. If a simple legislative fix could exempt people from paying property taxes the majority party could exempt their followers as a reward for keeping them in power. It's a shame that all taxes aren't applied evenly. |
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Quoted: I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. |
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. I'm torn as well, but I will be voting "no". To me, the widow of a service member deserves no more than the widow of a coal miner who was killed underground. The problem is not that the widows of KIA service members have to pay, the problem is the bullshit tax to begin with. It's tough, because I really feel for ANY widows. But I think the politicians should have to answer to them for the taxes they impose, not create a protected class that gets an out because of "service to the motherland". |
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This - To fulfill President Lincoln's promise “To care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan”
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If you are going to have an exemption for 100% vets, I think one for the widows of KIA's is reasonable, and just a natural extension of the existing exemption. The eligible population is pretty limited by comparison. Quoted:
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. |
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm |
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Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Quoted:
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Good read, thank you. |
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My reasoning is that it's less money for the state, and we won't get them to give up huge chunks of income. We need to taper down spending, wean them off. Incrementalism. I don't think they'll lower their income. Which means I think they'll just hit up areas for more revenue. Not that the passing of this bill would have a very significant impact on the income of the state... |
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VA's Constitution specifically prohibits exempting property taxes not specifically listed in the Constitution, so it is not a simple legislative fix... There is an exemption for 100% service connected disabled veterans, and if they pass away, their widows(ers), so long as the don't remarry and the property is the primary residence... As I read it, the proposed amendment extends that exemption to the widow(er) of a KIA service member, with the same limitations... Since a KIA is never actually considered disabled by the VA, the current exemption doesn't apply. I think it's reasonable exemption, perhaps more warranted than the one for a 100% vet or widow(er)... Excellent summary, and why I voted Yes on that one. |
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Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Quoted:
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Right on. This is a small step toward a multi-tiered taxing system too........nip it in the bud. However, it will pass b/c largely people are easily duped. |
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I don't think they'll lower their income. Which means I think they'll just hit up areas for more revenue. Not that the passing of this bill would have a very significant impact on the income of the state... Quoted:
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My reasoning is that it's less money for the state, and we won't get them to give up huge chunks of income. We need to taper down spending, wean them off. Incrementalism. I don't think they'll lower their income. Which means I think they'll just hit up areas for more revenue. Not that the passing of this bill would have a very significant impact on the income of the state... They (local jurisdictions) will increase rates to make up for property tax revenue shortfalls - real or perceived. |
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. I'm with you. Why a military widow and not a police widow, or fire fighter widow, or a plumber's widow for that matter. Just eliminate the tax across the board. |
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I'm voting no because I'm tired of legislators creating special protected groups that are exempted from things that the rest of us have to do. I served, and I respect the fact that servicemembers' widows face hardships - but I don't see a compelling reason to exempt them from property taxes. This. Except I didn't serve. |
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Right on. This is a small step toward a multi-tiered taxing system too........nip it in the bud. However, it will pass b/c largely people are easily duped. Quoted:
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Right on. This is a small step toward a multi-tiered taxing system too........nip it in the bud. However, it will pass b/c largely people are easily duped. I'm with all 3 of these, is that a +3? |
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Right on. This is a small step toward a multi-tiered taxing system too........nip it in the bud. However, it will pass b/c largely people are easily duped. I'm with all 3 of these, is that a +3? Sounds about right.  HTF, mirror image of GD, everyone arguing over who agrees more. 
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Right on. This is a small step toward a multi-tiered taxing system too........nip it in the bud. However, it will pass b/c largely people are easily duped. Quoted:
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Right on. This is a small step toward a multi-tiered taxing system too........nip it in the bud. However, it will pass b/c largely people are easily duped. So everyone who disagrees with you has been "duped"? Don't you think that it's possible for someone to legitimately have a different political opinion from yours? I'm a pro-gun conservative voter, but I understand that there are a lot of folks out there who feel differently from the way I do. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean that I think they've been duped. |
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So everyone who disagrees with you has been "duped"? Don't you think that it's possible for someone to legitimately have a different political opinion from yours? I'm a pro-gun conservative voter, but I understand that there are a lot of folks out there who feel differently from the way I do. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean that I think they've been duped. Quoted:
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I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Right on. This is a small step toward a multi-tiered taxing system too........nip it in the bud. However, it will pass b/c largely people are easily duped. So everyone who disagrees with you has been "duped"? Don't you think that it's possible for someone to legitimately have a different political opinion from yours? I'm a pro-gun conservative voter, but I understand that there are a lot of folks out there who feel differently from the way I do. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean that I think they've been duped. We need to treat everyone the same....these exceptions will continue to grow. It's not gov role to pick and choose who pays property tax. So yes, you very well may have been duped. When you feed off the emotion of KIA widow and not actually what the gov is doing and going to expand on, what else do you call it.....just a blunder? As said these are bought votes by smarmy politicians.....think big picture. |
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Quoted: We need to treat everyone the same....these exceptions will continue to grow. It's not gov role to pick and choose who pays property tax. So yes, you very well may have been duped. When you feed off the emotion of KIA widow and not actually what the gov is doing and going to expand on, what else do you call it.....just a blunder? As said these are bought votes by smarmy politicians.....think big picture. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm still torn over this one. I want to vote No because I don't like the idea of special exemptions, but I want to vote yes, because I believe property taxes on a persons home are the complete opposite of freedom. Special exemptions are nothing more than bought votes. If the amendment ended a property tax for everyone, I'd be all for it, because I hate them as well. But not this way. This is politicians using MY money to bribe someone else to vote for them. And they aren;t trying to get elected so they can give up power and give me more freedom. Also, this amendment immediately brought to mind the story of Senator Davy Crockett: http://www.constitution.org/cons/crockett.htm Right on. This is a small step toward a multi-tiered taxing system too........nip it in the bud. However, it will pass b/c largely people are easily duped. So everyone who disagrees with you has been "duped"? Don't you think that it's possible for someone to legitimately have a different political opinion from yours? I'm a pro-gun conservative voter, but I understand that there are a lot of folks out there who feel differently from the way I do. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean that I think they've been duped. We need to treat everyone the same....these exceptions will continue to grow. It's not gov role to pick and choose who pays property tax. So yes, you very well may have been duped. When you feed off the emotion of KIA widow and not actually what the gov is doing and going to expand on, what else do you call it.....just a blunder? As said these are bought votes by smarmy politicians.....think big picture. |
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That's the point of a constitutional amendment, it's not the government picking and choosing... it is the people... if it passes, the people have decided it should... if it doesn't, the same... I appreciate the fact that it requires an amendment to make such a change (not all states are so evolved)... and it should be the same for all taxes... Amen. |
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Sorry, but that is a FUCKING IGNORANT statement... Quoted:
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I voted NO as well. They aren't any more entitled as I am. You chose to join. Actions have consequences No, it's crass, but it isn't incorrect, just incomplete. I don't think you have to worry about striperfisher's political career. |
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Quoted: No, it's crass, but it isn't incorrect, just incomplete. I don't think you have to worry about striperfisher's political career. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I voted NO as well. They aren't any more entitled as I am. You chose to join. Actions have consequences No, it's crass, but it isn't incorrect, just incomplete. I don't think you have to worry about striperfisher's political career. |
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I voted NO as well. They aren't any more entitled as I am. You chose to join. Actions have consequences No, it's crass, but it isn't incorrect, just incomplete. I don't think you have to worry about striperfisher's political career. I'm finding it hard to justify my statement, as incomplete reasoning is, in my mind, incorrect. Let me say rather that it could be correct depending on how he finished the line of reason? Although I really don't care to hear his explanation unless he works on the rude wording. |
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I can assure all of you I am the least concerned with my political career.
My statement I thought was pretty clear. We haven't had a draft since the Vietnam war. If you choose to join any branch of the military I would assume you fully understand the consequences of your choice. That you may very well loose your life. If thats the case then except that and go on. I am by no means trying to be disrespectful to anyone who serves or has served I am jst saying that was your choice. Why should I or any other tax payer in Va have to pay our taxes while the family's of the deceased gets a free pass on their tax. As many others in this thread have stated the same thing, mabey not worded the same. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. If you don't like it you are very welcome to take your tank's and go home |
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I can assure all of you I am the least concerned with my political career. My statement I thought was pretty clear. We haven't had a draft since the Vietnam war. If you choose to join any branch of the military I would assume you fully understand the consequences of your choice. That you may very well loose your life. If thats the case then except that and go on. I am by no means trying to be disrespectful to anyone who serves or has served I am jst saying that was your choice. Why should I or any other tax payer in Va have to pay our taxes while the family's of the deceased gets a free pass on their tax. As many others in this thread have stated the same thing, mabey not worded the same. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. If you don't like it you are very welcome to take your tank's and go home Well aren't you special. |
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I can assure all of you I am the least concerned with my political career. My statement I thought was pretty clear. We haven't had a draft since the Vietnam war. If you choose to join any branch of the military I would assume you fully understand the consequences of your choice. That you may very well loose your life. If thats the case then except that and go on. I am by no means trying to be disrespectful to anyone who serves or has served I am jst saying that was your choice. Why should I or any other tax payer in Va have to pay our taxes while the family's of the deceased gets a free pass on their tax. As many others in this thread have stated the same thing, mabey not worded the same. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. If you don't like it you are very welcome to take your tank's and go home Well aren't you special. Last time I checked Somalia wasn't in Va I assume your special or just trying to make a statement with your flag gesture |
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I can assure all of you I am the least concerned with my political career. My statement I thought was pretty clear. We haven't had a draft since the Vietnam war. If you choose to join any branch of the military I would assume you fully understand the consequences of your choice. That you may very well loose your life. If thats the case then except that and go on. I am by no means trying to be disrespectful to anyone who serves or has served I am jst saying that was your choice. Why should I or any other tax payer in Va have to pay our taxes while the family's of the deceased gets a free pass on their tax. As many others in this thread have stated the same thing, mabey not worded the same. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. If you don't like it you are very welcome to take your tank's and go home As veteran, I feel disrespected and my mind is blown by your disregard for military families. I have one question for you, have you ever served? If not, you have basked in the freedoms others have protected for you and your ungratefulness is disgusting. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
| This thread took the wrong turn. My hats off to my brothers in arms. I lost a buddy, KIA in 2004. His wife is apart of many families now. We need to ensure we as people take care of these widows. This approval sets the wrong presidence for tax exemptions (which we will seee come again). Del Ramadan who has never served, will use it as political hay. Honor and love should not come via exemptions. |
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As veteran, I feel disrespected and my mind is blown by your disregard for military families. I have one question for you, have you ever served? If not, you have basked in the freedoms others have protected for you and your ungratefulness is disgusting. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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I can assure all of you I am the least concerned with my political career. My statement I thought was pretty clear. We haven't had a draft since the Vietnam war. If you choose to join any branch of the military I would assume you fully understand the consequences of your choice. That you may very well loose your life. If thats the case then except that and go on. I am by no means trying to be disrespectful to anyone who serves or has served I am jst saying that was your choice. Why should I or any other tax payer in Va have to pay our taxes while the family's of the deceased gets a free pass on their tax. As many others in this thread have stated the same thing, mabey not worded the same. You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine. If you don't like it you are very welcome to take your tank's and go home As veteran, I feel disrespected and my mind is blown by your disregard for military families. I have one question for you, have you ever served? If not, you have basked in the freedoms others have protected for you and your ungratefulness is disgusting. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I think you need to examine your feelings and try to discover for yourself what it is you're afraid of. Because now you are the one in the thread who's trying to appeal to everyone else's emotions. Simple concept here. Rule of law, there should be no exemptions because EVERYONE is equal under the law. Why does respect and gratefulness always have to have $$$ attached? Can we not be grateful and respectful without paying for it? How are people showing respect and gratitude when they are FORCED to pay? |
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I can't find hide nor hair of it on the Board of Elections site either; it's like is is down the memory hole... TR Quoted:
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So did it pass or fail? I can't find hide nor hair of it on the Board of Elections site either; it's like is is down the memory hole... TR "Virginians voted Tuesday to approve a constitutional amendment that exempts from local property taxes the home of the surviving spouse of an armed forces member who was killed in action." http://m.timesdispatch.com/news/election/virginians-approve-constitutional-amendment/article_0f3b4ac7-37c1-5421-890d-46fb82047128.html?mode=jqm Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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"Virginians voted Tuesday to approve a constitutional amendment that exempts from local property taxes the home of the surviving spouse of an armed forces member who was killed in action." http://m.timesdispatch.com/news/election/virginians-approve-constitutional-amendment/article_0f3b4ac7-37c1-5421-890d-46fb82047128.html?mode=jqm Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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So did it pass or fail? I can't find hide nor hair of it on the Board of Elections site either; it's like is is down the memory hole... TR "Virginians voted Tuesday to approve a constitutional amendment that exempts from local property taxes the home of the surviving spouse of an armed forces member who was killed in action." http://m.timesdispatch.com/news/election/virginians-approve-constitutional-amendment/article_0f3b4ac7-37c1-5421-890d-46fb82047128.html?mode=jqm Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile over 82% voted for it |
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There wasn't much chance of it failing. Voting "no" on it results in exactly what we've seen here... the "YOU MUST HATE THE WIDOWS OF VETERANS!"
This is one of those votes where if I was a politician, I'd end up losing my seat for voting "no" on it. To those that think it should have been passed, how would you vote if the amendment read "Any veteran of the armed forces shall be exempt of property tax for their entire lives." No conditionals. If you had a job in the armed forces, no more property taxes. Should that pass? Why or why not? *edited to add: That question is not an attempt at a GOTCHA question. I genuinely am curious at where the line is drawn for some of you. |
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"To those that think it should have been passed, how would you vote if the amendment read "Any veteran of the armed forces shall be exempt of property tax for their entire lives." No conditionals. If you had a job in the armed forces, no more property taxes. Should that pass? Why or why not? "
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"To those that think it should have been passed, how would you vote if the amendment read "Any veteran of the armed forces shall be exempt of property tax for their entire lives." No conditionals. If you had a job in the armed forces, no more property taxes. Should that pass? Why or why not? " Complete fucking hyperbole. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Read his edit. Regardless, it is not hyperbole. There are distinct foundational ideas to the hypothetical proposed, it's simply reversing the existing state of affairs prior to the amendment and forcing you to be your own devil's advocate. The fact that you rebel against the thought should indicate something to you. |
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Read his edit. Regardless, it is not hyperbole. There are distinct foundational ideas to the hypothetical proposed, it's simply reversing the existing state of affairs prior to the amendment and forcing you to be your own devil's advocate. The fact that you rebel against the thought should indicate something to you. Quoted:
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"To those that think it should have been passed, how would you vote if the amendment read "Any veteran of the armed forces shall be exempt of property tax for their entire lives." No conditionals. If you had a job in the armed forces, no more property taxes. Should that pass? Why or why not? " Complete fucking hyperbole. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Read his edit. Regardless, it is not hyperbole. There are distinct foundational ideas to the hypothetical proposed, it's simply reversing the existing state of affairs prior to the amendment and forcing you to be your own devil's advocate. The fact that you rebel against the thought should indicate something to you. Because those widowed spouses, their significant others paid the ultimate price for the security of their nation. That should not be questioned. How many widows of KIA service men and women are even from Virginia and paying property taxes? I bet it is a very minescule number . You people act like it is huge some of money to be lost, meanwhile how many career welfare rats soak up your tax money and you bat an eye. |
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Because those widowed spouses, their significant others paid the ultimate price for the security of their nation. That should not be questioned. How many widows of KIA service men and women are even from Virginia and paying property taxes? I bet it is a very minescule number . You people act like it is huge some of money to be lost, meanwhile how many career welfare rats soak up your tax money and you bat an eye. Quoted:
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"To those that think it should have been passed, how would you vote if the amendment read "Any veteran of the armed forces shall be exempt of property tax for their entire lives." No conditionals. If you had a job in the armed forces, no more property taxes. Should that pass? Why or why not? " Complete fucking hyperbole. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Read his edit. Regardless, it is not hyperbole. There are distinct foundational ideas to the hypothetical proposed, it's simply reversing the existing state of affairs prior to the amendment and forcing you to be your own devil's advocate. The fact that you rebel against the thought should indicate something to you. Because those widowed spouses, their significant others paid the ultimate price for the security of their nation. That should not be questioned. How many widows of KIA service men and women are even from Virginia and paying property taxes? I bet it is a very minescule number . You people act like it is huge some of money to be lost, meanwhile how many career welfare rats soak up your tax money and you bat an eye. Incrementalism. It's alwaysa miniscule number when it's someone else's money. It's easy to bet when someone else earns the wager. And I have nooooooooo idea how you could possibly conceive in any lifetime how you would ever think I'm indifferent about the tax burden of welfare rats. EVERYTHING should be questioned. And everything can be, if you're honest and unafraid of truth. |
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Because those widowed spouses, their significant others paid the ultimate price for the security of their nation. That should not be questioned. How many widows of KIA service men and women are even from Virginia and paying property taxes? I bet it is a very minescule number . You people act like it is huge some of money to be lost, meanwhile how many career welfare rats soak up your tax money and you bat an eye. Quoted:
Because those widowed spouses, their significant others paid the ultimate price for the security of their nation. That should not be questioned. How many widows of KIA service men and women are even from Virginia and paying property taxes? I bet it is a very minescule number . You people act like it is huge some of money to be lost, meanwhile how many career welfare rats soak up your tax money and you bat an eye. I'm not questioning whether or not a KIA service member paid the ultimate price or not. Or that they have widowed spouses. Or that it's sad that there are widowed spouses. To your second point, I have a post on page 1 where I close by saying: Not that the passing of this bill would have a very significant impact on the income of the state... |
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I knew I could find good discussion on this topic here.
I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that regardless of my vote, that amendment would pass by an enormous margin. Of course, it did. It's a feel-good amendment that accomplishes next to nothing but effectively stifles debate simply by its wording. If we have to amend the Constitution, state or federal, and we can't debate lest we be called heartless (or worse), then something's wrong. What does this bill actually do? As far as I can tell, it relieves service widows of their property tax liabilities. This creates an exempted class because of what their spouses did (not themselves). That I already disagree with. I do not know the slightest thing about death benefits in the military so I have absolutely zero idea whether this is based on any sort of financial need. What I do know is that this shifts the burden from the state to the locality, who will now experience some (probably insignificant) decline in revenue. I suspect, as many others do and as history has shown, that this will play some small part in raising tax rates. In other words, we all have to pay for the property taxes of service widows. It does not matter whether I think this is a worthy cause and it has nothing to do with the sacrifice, real or perceived, of service members and their families. It does, however, have everything to do with the government creating more and more protected classes and mandating under rule of law that financial burdens be shifted unequally from protected class to unprotected classes. My opinion is that this is not the role of government. If you feel this is a worthy cause (as I do, for the record, for many reasons) then the most prudent and conservative/libertarian course of action would be to set up a charity that would help defray the costs of property taxes for service widows. This way only those who want to participate will participate and those who don't are not forced to. But that's just my opinion. |
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According to this;
https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/pages/report_sum_all.xhtml With this link, I'm not sure if they were servicemen with VA as their home of record or were VA based home of record elsewhere. Both times I was stationed in VA, my now ex wife was a Pennsylvania resident. I see 198 service men and women have been KIA in the Global War on Terror from Virginia. How many of these men or women were even married? If they were, how many of their spouses were residents of other states? How many owned realestate? How many owned cars with VA plates? This exemption is a drop in the bucket, the VA tax payers won't see a fucking difference. |