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3/2/2010 5:17:44 AM EDT
does anyone know a state law that states how long a speed limit sign is good for. and the distance before a another sign must be posted. i recall hearing of this before. but cant seem to find what im looking for. the speed limit sign is 25 mph. any help would be great thanks
3/2/2010 5:46:44 AM EDT
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Many cities & counties in Virginia have overall speed laws.

Along the lines of "the maximum speed shall be 25 MPH unless otherwise posted.

If you saw a 25 MPH sign and never saw another sign that was higher, you are out of luck.


3/2/2010 6:24:28 AM EDT
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i live in the boonies and even here we have the "end reduced speed" signs. if your in town/city limits then it would be 25mph till you hit the town/city limits or see a sign with a different speed while still inside the limits. if your outside of the city/town limit with no signs then the "posted" speed is 55mph.
3/2/2010 7:19:07 AM EDT
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if the last sign you saw said 25, its 25 until you pass another sign that says higher or lower.  Just pay the ticket.
3/2/2010 7:38:49 AM EDT
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 Just pay the ticket.


prolly got to court. never know that cop mite quit get fired move and cant appear and the case will be dismissed. you should always go to court. its up there with the golden rule of never talk to cops.
3/2/2010 7:39:59 AM EDT
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does anyone know a state law that states how long a speed limit sign is good for. and the distance before a another sign must be posted. i recall hearing of this before. but cant seem to find what im looking for. the speed limit sign is 25 mph. any help would be great thanks


Yeah, all you have to do is go look on the back of the sign. The expiration date is clearly marked. Hopefully your's just expired.
 



If you are on a road and passed a speed limit sign that said 25 mph, the speed limit is that until you pass another sign with a different speed.  End of story.



3/2/2010 7:59:16 AM EDT
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does anyone know a state law that states how long a speed limit sign is good for. and the distance before a another sign must be posted. i recall hearing of this before. but cant seem to find what im looking for. the speed limit sign is 25 mph. any help would be great thanks

Yeah, all you have to do is go look on the back of the sign. The expiration date is clearly marked. Hopefully your's just expired.  

If you are on a road and passed a speed limit sign that said 25 mph, the speed limit is that until you pass another sign with a different speed.  End of story.


Those expired ones smell AWFUL too, I'll tell ya!

Since the original post doesn't give any indication that this is more than a hypothetical case, I won't assume that anyone has actually been charged with a violation.  

In the hypothetical, there is no mention of how much in excess of  the posted speed of 25 mph is hypothetically alleged, so I won't speculate on the relative merits or cost to benefit ratio of going to court to contest the charge.

I can concur with the above folks who have some subject matter expertise however, that there's no statute  that addresses spacing or distance limitations for speed markings, other than § 46.2-879:

No person shall be convicted of a violation of a statute or an ordinance enacted by local authorities pursuant to the provisions of § 46.2-1300 decreasing the speed limit established in this article when such person has exceeded the speed limit in an area where the speed limit has been decreased unless such area is clearly indicated by a conspicuous marker at the termini of such area.


...and that's not going to be construed in a way to negate any argument that if the sign says 25, then the speed limit's 25 until another sign says something different.  If the charge isn't reckless driving or a repeat offense that will result in suspension or revocation of  the hypothetical driver's privilege to operate a vehicle, it more than likely ain't worth the beef.
3/2/2010 8:04:46 AM EDT
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 Just pay the ticket.


prolly got to court. never know that cop mite quit get fired move and cant appear and the case will be dismissed. you should always go to court. its up there with the golden rule of never talk to cops.


well, i'd say most speeding tickets get upheld in court, plus you have to pay court costs if you go to court as opposed to prepaying it.  But i'm just a cop
3/2/2010 8:58:11 AM EDT
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 Just pay the ticket.


prolly got to court. never know that cop mite quit get fired move and cant appear and the case will be dismissed. you should always go to court. its up there with the golden rule of never talk to cops.


well, i'd say most speeding tickets get upheld in court, plus you have to pay court costs if you go to court as opposed to prepaying it.  But i'm just a cop


You still pay court costs if you plead guilty before the scheduled court date.

3/2/2010 9:26:36 AM EDT
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 Just pay the ticket.


prolly got to court. never know that cop mite quit get fired move and cant appear and the case will be dismissed. you should always go to court. its up there with the golden rule of never talk to cops.


well, i'd say most speeding tickets get upheld in court, plus you have to pay court costs if you go to court as opposed to prepaying it.  But i'm just a cop


You still pay court costs if you plead guilty before the scheduled court date.



HA! Just goes to show how little i care about traffic stuff!

ETA, at least you wont have to take a day off from work then!
3/2/2010 1:18:37 PM EDT
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Yeah, all you have to do is go look on the back of the sign. The expiration date is clearly marked. Hopefully your's just expired.  

If you are on a road and passed a speed limit sign that said 25 mph, the speed limit is that until you pass another sign with a different speed.  End of story.


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I can concur with the above folks who have some subject matter expertise however, that there's no statute  that addresses spacing or distance limitations for speed markings, other than § 46.2-879:

No person shall be convicted of a violation of a statute or an ordinance enacted by local authorities pursuant to the provisions of § 46.2-1300 decreasing the speed limit established in this article when such person has exceeded the speed limit in an area where the speed limit has been decreased unless such area is clearly indicated by a conspicuous marker at the termini of such area.


...and that's not going to be construed in a way to negate any argument that if the sign says 25, then the speed limit's 25 until another sign says something different.  If the charge isn't reckless driving or a repeat offense that will result in suspension or revocation of  the hypothetical driver's privilege to operate a vehicle, it more than likely ain't worth the beef.

Hhhmmmm .......

Let's say the last speed-limit-sign on Alpha Avenue, 'downstream' of the infraction, is located between the intersection of 3d Street/Alpha Avenue and 4th Street/Alpha Avenue.

Let's say the infraction was alleged between the intersection of 8th Street/Alpha Avenue and 9th Street/Alpha Avenue, and that the direction of travel was 'upstream.'

And then, let's say that the perpetrator turned 'upstream' onto Alpha Avenue from 6th Street, which was posted at 35 mph.

Here's a sort-of graphical depiction:

2d St ––- 3d St ––- 25 mph sign ––- 4th St ––- 5th St ––- 6th St––- 7th St––- 8th St ––- Speed Trap ––- 9th St

Seems to me one could mount a defense that one had not been notified of the reduction in allowed speed from 35 mph (posted on 6th St) to 25 mph (posted 25 mph, although the signage could not be viewed because it was not traveled by).  This would be equivalent to posting a sign behind a large bush, such that the sign could not be seen.

Just thinking ... don'cha know.

It makes no sense at all to perjure oneself for a speeding ticket ... such defenses can tragically backfire.
3/3/2010 4:06:10 AM EDT
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prolly got to court. never know that cop mite quit get fired move and cant appear and the case will be dismissed. you should always go to court. its up there with the golden rule of never talk to cops.


well, i'd say most speeding tickets get upheld in court, plus you have to pay court costs if you go to court as opposed to prepaying it.  But i'm just a cop


You still pay court costs if you plead guilty before the scheduled court date.



HA! Just goes to show how little i care about traffic stuff!

ETA, at least you wont have to take a day off from work then!


When I was 16 I got a ticket in MD and went to court. I apologized to the judge and told him that I'd learned my leason, he droped the ticket. Btw, that was 20 years ago and I haven't gotten a ticket since (knock on wood)