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8/2/2008 5:54:49 PM EDT
I think I got the title right...

I searched through 25 pages of the archive thread and didn't see it although I know it has been asked before.

If I were to make a trade with someone on the other end of the state and it just wasn't ideal to drive for a FTF, can you ship firearms intra-state without going through an FFL?

Just trying to save fees if we didn't have to pay them.  I google'd it and couldn't find an answer either.

Anyone be any help.  
8/2/2008 6:14:30 PM EDT
[#1]
No.  

Um, edited to say - As a lawyer (or at least a board member who is studying to be one)
8/2/2008 6:45:00 PM EDT
[#2]
Your google-fu is weak, my friend. Googling "shipping firearms intrastate" finds

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

I think you won't find a common carrier who is willing to ship a handgun this way, though.
8/2/2008 7:12:45 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
No.  


i think what Glarus is trying to say is:



WRONG!



FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!  


you can ship a gun in state without going through an FFL...but the same rules apply as with out of state as far as what can be shipped through what (i.e., no handguns through USPS, etc., etc.).....



boy, aren't I useful, all I did was summarize what Glarus already said...

to piggy back though, I would be stunned if it didn't work with FedEx...at least the FedEx I use...I make sure to notify them its a handgun when I ship with them so that I cover my ass if its ever lost (you need to make sure you followed all their rules or they will deny your claim) but I have NEVER, repeat, NEVER been asked to produce a copy of the FFL the gun was going to....i fill out my fedex form, make sure it is in a non-fedex box, mark priority overnight, insure it, take it to the counter agent, say "this is a firearm", they say ok, hand me my copy of the handbill, and out I go.....how would they know if the address I was sending it to was an FFL or not if they NEVER ask to see it?
8/2/2008 7:20:27 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No.  


i think what Glarus is trying to say is:



WRONG!



FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!  


Methinks trio is being a bit impish. Peckerwood.
8/2/2008 7:22:21 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Your google-fu is weak, my friend. Googling "shipping firearms intrastate" finds

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

I think you won't find a common carrier who is willing to ship a handgun this way, though.


What proofs would be required by law to be sure the guy you're shipping and transfering to is able to own the firearm in question? A valid driver license scan showing the address and name of the guy you're shipping to and that he is indeed in your State?
8/2/2008 7:33:01 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
No.  


i think what Glarus is trying to say is:



WRONG!



FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!  


Methinks trio is being a bit impish. Peckerwood.



who me??? that stings man, it really does
8/2/2008 8:47:58 PM EDT
[#7]

What proofs would be required by law to be sure the guy you're shipping and transfering to is able to own the firearm in question?


What proof is required for a ftf?
8/3/2008 5:10:01 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

What proofs would be required by law to be sure the guy you're shipping and transfering to is able to own the firearm in question?


What proof is required for a ftf?


Obviously none although I always ask to see a driver license and ask "are you legally able to own this firearm" before doing the deal.Seeing a ccw permit makes me feel even better and I usually show sellers my permit and my driver license when buying ftf.

I'm thinking in more of a CYA sense since such a transfer is quite unorthodox.
8/3/2008 11:55:17 AM EDT
[#9]
The problem is finding a common carrier that will accept the shipment.
While long guns can go USPS, the common carriers have their own policies.
8/4/2008 1:55:25 PM EDT
[#10]
+1 on Fed Ex.  They have shipped two weapons for me.  As long as you disclose it is a firearm they really don't care.  They justs wantz yo money.