Posted: 2/26/2005 3:01:19 PM EDT
| I have a few Benchmade autos, and am considering buying a MOD auto. How does one go about getting a permit to carry? |
| I've got a Benchmade 9053, and it's nice but I can draw quicker with a $60 assisted Kershaw and not have to worry about any legality issues. Carry it tip up and it's just right IMO. It's small, light, thin, and FAST. Plus, it's at least $100 cheaper than most autos out there. That's what I'd do. Of course, it's your choice, and I would be curious to know how to obtain a carry permit for an auto (if there is such a thing). MJD |
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I am iun lvoe with my MANY SOG flash's.... tiny ones, normal ones, they are stunning and work well every time Great blades and surprising low costs..... But if I can carry an auto in my car not 'wrapped' as the law states, I might....... Also, what about regualr blades, blade lengths, e.g. any law on carrying a 7 inch fixed blade? |
In VA you can openly carry an auto (i.e. with pocket clip visible or sheath on the belt visible), but what we are talking about is concealing an auto. By concealing you can cover the sheath with a shirt/jacket or put it in your pocket.....whatever. In VA, we are issued a CHP (concealed handgun permit), we have to obtain other permits to carry other "weapons." I myself know there are knives that are "just as fast" as autos, but if you spend the cash on an auto you're gonna want to carry it sometime. 
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www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=115&t=254871 Maybe C4 will chime in. He really knows his shit. |
| I've been curious about the knife laws here too. Do you have to carry a knife so it's somewhat visible (ie: clip on pocket or sheath on belt) or can it be inside your pocket. From some of the other posts it sounds like you can't carry an auto knife inside the pocket (concealed) what about a regular pocket knife? Is there any kind of limit on blade length? |
| One of the problems with auto knives is the fact that there are some federal regulations on automatic knives (switchblades). It is illegal to ship, for the purpose of sale, any automatic opening knife or advertise for sale any such knife. Because of such rules it makes the manufacturing of auto knives somewhat limited and thus the price goes up. Those that rely on the supposed legality of "assisted opening" knives such as the Kershaw types would be well advised to double check if their blade conforms to the law of their state. I think you will find that even these knives could be a problem in some locals. |
| Oh ,and I forgot to mention, those that say that they can get there flip blade (etc) knives to operate with the speed and agility of an automatic... all I can say is you obviously haven’t used an auto or are in some sort of fantasy land. There is a good reason operators use autos--- that is fast, failsafe, one handed operation |
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I have 3 auto knives and always carry them on the clip exposed as to show it is being carried, never once have I been stopped or questioned by any Federal of local LEO. They are a handy non-aggressive tool in my opinion so I do not carry it as a weapon, but if the need would ever arise.  With the legality of carrying an auto knife concealed, I believe in Virginia it would cause more trouble than it is worth since the local jurisdictions still have authority to control the laws in question. Added to say that I am no expert on the issue or would recommend anyone to attempt carrying an auto knife. |
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I don't know of any "permit" clause in the law that would allow you to carry it. Switchblades are mentioned specifically as being prohibited from carrying concealed. The CCW permit is ONLY for handguns and not knives. As there is no "permit" for prohibited weapons, there's really no way to get a permit that doesn't exist. You could probably get a writ from a judge if you showed you needed one, like say if you had the use of only one arm and a switchblade was the only safe way of opening a pocketkinfe. I think the average Joe is out of luck for concealed switchblades though. Ross |
Wrong. I have a MOD Mark 1 at the store. I've had or played with Benchmade and Microtech autos. My Cold Steel Recon is faster and my CRKT flipper M16 is just as fast as the Mark 1. The only advantage to an auto is the surefire opening strong or weak hand. |
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§ 18.2-308. Personal protection; carrying concealed weapons; when lawful to carry. A. If any person carries about his person, hidden from common observation, (i) any pistol, revolver, or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind by action of an explosion of any combustible material; (ii) any dirk, bowie knife, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, machete, razor, slingshot, spring stick, metal knucks, or blackjack; (iii) any flailing instrument consisting of two or more rigid parts connected in such a manner as to allow them to swing freely, which may be known as a nun chahka, nun chuck, nunchaku, shuriken, or fighting chain; (iv) any disc, of whatever configuration, having at least two points or pointed blades which is designed to be thrown or propelled and which may be known as a throwing star or oriental dart; or (v) any weapon of like kind as those enumerated in this subsection, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A second violation of this section or a conviction under this section subsequent to any conviction under any substantially similar ordinance of any county, city, or town shall be punishable as a Class 6 felony, and a third or subsequent such violation shall be punishable as a Class 5 felony. For the purpose of this section, a weapon shall be deemed to be hidden from common observation when it is observable but is of such deceptive appearance as to disguise the weapon's true nature. B. This section shall not apply to any person while in his own place of abode or the curtilage thereof. Except as provided in subsection J1, this section shall not apply to: 1. Any person while in his own place of business; 2. Any law-enforcement officer, wherever such law-enforcement officer may travel in the Commonwealth; 3. Any regularly enrolled member of a target shooting organization who is at, or going to or from, an established shooting range, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported; 4. Any regularly enrolled member of a weapons collecting organization who is at, or going to or from, a bona fide weapons exhibition, provided that the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported; 5. Any person carrying such weapons between his place of abode and a place of purchase or repair, provided the weapons are unloaded and securely wrapped while being transported; 6. Any person actually engaged in lawful hunting, as authorized by the Board of Game and Inland Fisheries, under inclement weather conditions necessitating temporary protection of his firearm from those conditions, provided that possession of a handgun while engaged in lawful hunting shall not be construed as hunting with a handgun if the person hunting is carrying a valid concealed handgun permit; and 7. Any State Police officer retired from the Department of State Police, any local law-enforcement officer retired from a police department or sheriff's office within the Commonwealth, any special agent retired from the State Corporation Commission or the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, any game warden retired from the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, and any Virginia Marine Police officer retired from the Law Enforcement Division of the Virginia Marine Resources Commission, other than an officer or agent terminated for cause, (i) with a service-related disability; (ii) following at least 15 years of service with any such law-enforcement agency, board or any combination thereof; or (iii) who has reached 55 years of age, provided such officer carries with him written proof of consultation with and favorable review of the need to carry a concealed handgun issued by the chief law-enforcement officer of the last such agency from which the officer retired or, in the case of special agents, issued by the State Corporation Commission or the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board. A copy of the proof of consultation and favorable review shall be forwarded by the chief or the Board to the Department of State Police for entry into the Virginia Criminal Information Network. The chief law-enforcement officer shall not without cause withhold such written proof if the retired law-enforcement officer otherwise meets the requirements of this section. Partial law above Complete code Here But then I found this code as well that prohibits § 18.2-311. Prohibiting the selling or having in possession blackjacks, etc. If any person sells or barters, or exhibits for sale or for barter, or gives or furnishes, or causes to be sold, bartered, given or furnished, or has in his possession, or under his control, with the intent of selling, bartering, giving or furnishing, any blackjack, brass or metal knucks, any disc of whatever configuration having at least two points or pointed blades which is designed to be thrown or propelled and which may be known as a throwing star or oriental dart, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, or like weapons, such person shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor. The having in one's possession of any such weapon shall be prima facie evidence, except in the case of a conservator of the peace, of his intent to sell, barter, give or furnish the same. (Code 1950, § 18.1-271; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1985, c. 394; 1988, c. 359.) So after reading that code............. Switchblades are against the law for Virginia  |
I have a Benchmade Griptillian that is faster than any auto on the market. It was a thumbhole model that was modified to wave action, and it carried tip up on my offhand side, so it will open as I draw it out. If you doubt it, come by Blue Ridge and I'll show you. |
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Ban them nasty evil black knives! Do it for the children, if it just save one innocent life.  F**K IT ! Carry a .45, it has a better 'stopping power' anyway. Anyone that deserves cutting or stabbing definately deserves some shooting. Ernest Langdon says "When you need to be shooting, you need to be shooting. Anything that takes time and effort away from that is a drain on precious resources." "Your focus in a fight must be on taking out the threat, not worrying about how not to get shot. You must work from the assumption that in a gun fight, you will get shot but must fight on anyway." "The best cover is rapid accurate fire directed at your enemy." Semper Fi! DO OR DIE! 
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