Posted: 12/31/2013 8:16:46 AM EDT
| In order to have 4 hours for Utah CCW permit, can you submit a scan of the actual card or do you need to scan the documents originally sent to Utah? |
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Quoted: In order to have 4 hours for Utah CCW permit, can you submit a scan of the actual card or do you need to scan the documents originally sent to Utah? I have received conflicting information from the ISP, some phone operators stating training certificates are a requirement (which has been the the traditional answer) and more recently saying the actual permit card its' self is OK. I hear getting the original documents back from UTAH is a pain in the butt. We really don't have a definitive answer yet. For future reference take scans or make copies of everything before submitting. Keep training records for your own record. |
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When I took the last 8 hour training class, the instructor told us the actual certificate was needed as the ISP would not accept a scan of the permit. I've heard from others a scan of the permit is ok.
Hopefully Swanhunter will check in and comment as I believe this was a point that was being clarified. |
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Quoted: In order to have 4 hours for Utah CCW permit, can you submit a scan of the actual card or do you need to scan the documents originally sent to Utah? Per the new instructions the ISP has for instructors, you are not to submit ANYTHING besides the ISP Certificate they issue to you. However, the ISP also says this: For training completed to am out-of-state permit. the applicant must provide evidence of the underlying training course. |
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Quoted: Per the new instructions the ISP has for instructors, you are not to submit ANYTHING besides the ISP Certificate they issue to you. However, the ISP also says this: Quoted: Quoted: In order to have 4 hours for Utah CCW permit, can you submit a scan of the actual card or do you need to scan the documents originally sent to Utah? Per the new instructions the ISP has for instructors, you are not to submit ANYTHING besides the ISP Certificate they issue to you. However, the ISP also says this: For training completed to am out-of-state permit. the applicant must provide evidence of the underlying training course. |
This issue has really been beaten up and it deserves every kick it gets!!! It has been so hard to nail down the answers!
So now, the ISP only wants the ISP certificate submitted for application. However, they state that the instructor has to have seen valid proof of training in order to sign off on that training. I have been e-mailing one of the head dudes from UTAH who tried to get this straightened out with IL. Last e-mail I received basically stated he no longer had hair or an answer!!! 
The biggest problem they are concerned about is double dipping on classes as one could possibly take one 4 hour class and get two actual permits.... From the ISP Certificate itself: I verified _______ hours of prior training and provided the additional required training to be counted towards the 16 hour requirement pursuant to Section 75(g) of the Act. The Applicant provided documentation of the prior instruction by providing a certificate from _______________________ . |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In order to have 4 hours for Utah CCW permit, can you submit a scan of the actual card or do you need to scan the documents originally sent to Utah? Per the new instructions the ISP has for instructors, you are not to submit ANYTHING besides the ISP Certificate they issue to you. However, the ISP also says this: For training completed to am out-of-state permit. the applicant must provide evidence of the underlying training course. I tend to agree with that. To me, the permit is evidence that they completed an adequate training course. |
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To me, the permit is evidence that they completed an adequate training course. The Applicant provided documentation of the prior instruction by providing a certificate from _______________________ You might be hard pressed getting that past the ISP. And now, looks like they are leaving all the documentation up to the instructors...And the really sad part is you might not find out you are wrong until applications start getting rejected! This prior training aspect is sooooo goofy! . |
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Quoted: This issue has really been beaten up and it deserves every kick it gets!!! It has been so hard to nail down the answers! So now, the ISP only wants the ISP certificate submitted for application. However, they state that the instructor has to have seen valid proof of training in order to sign off on that training. I have been e-mailing one of the head dudes from UTAH who tried to get this straightened out with IL. Last e-mail I received basically stated he no longer had hair or an answer!!! The biggest problem they are concerned about is double dipping on classes as one could possibly take one 4 hour class and get two actual permits.... From the ISP Certificate itself: I verified _______ hours of prior training and provided the additional required training to be counted towards the 16 hour requirement pursuant to Section 75(g) of the Act. The Applicant provided documentation of the prior instruction by providing a certificate from _______________________ . |
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This issue has really been beaten up and it deserves every kick it gets!!! It has been so hard to nail down the answers!
So now, the ISP only wants the ISP certificate submitted for application. However, they state that the instructor has to have seen valid proof of training in order to sign off on that training. I have been e-mailing one of the head dudes from UTAH who tried to get this straightened out with IL. Last e-mail I received basically stated he no longer had hair or an answer!!!
The biggest problem they are concerned about is double dipping on classes as one could possibly take one 4 hour class and get two actual permits.... From the ISP Certificate itself: I verified _______ hours of prior training and provided the additional required training to be counted towards the 16 hour requirement pursuant to Section 75(g) of the Act. The Applicant provided documentation of the prior instruction by providing a certificate from _______________________ . So now I see this as two issues. 1) can an instructor accept a Utah permit as proof of training? 2) when applying for the Illinois permit do we only upload the Illinois certificate, or do we upload the Illinois certificate plus the other proof/certificate that we completed the first 8 hours? |
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1) can an instructor accept a Utah permit as proof of training? 2) when applying for the Illinois permit do we only upload the Illinois certificate, or do we upload the Illinois certificate plus the other proof/certificate that we completed the first 8 hours? 1--The instructions call specifically for a certificate and we have not heard anything to the contrary from the ISP on this issue and we have asked... 2--As of now....you only upload the ISP certificate that the instructor filled out. (all subject to change) |
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Let me ask another question: What happens when a person is denied because of these "differences of opinions" among the ISP?
I know the $150 is gone. Is this a reason to go before the appeals board (that will probably only meet once every third month on a Wed from the hours of 8:00 am and 9:15 am somewhere in the cesspool that is Shitcago)? Will ISP contact you and let you submit the required documents? I think I will stick with my original plan and hold off getting my IL permit. Too much uncertainty right now, especially with the legislature letting ISP make up the rules as they go. |
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What happens when a person is denied because of these "differences of opinions" among the ISP? Our understanding is: The application would be put on hold...The applicant would be apprised of the deficiency and given 60 days to supply the correction. The "board" is only for legal objections...not application short comings. That being said....Not sure how the ISP would know a deficiency exists due to "proper" certificated training as all they will have in front of them is the application filled out by the confused instructor????
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As of today IL CCW electronic application will only accept One training certificate (any previous training, Utah or what ever, your CC instructor will have had to verify and marked on your training certificate )
Some training exception questions have been added to the application this wont apply to the average Joe |
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As of today IL CCW electronic application will only accept One training certificate (any previous training, Utah or what ever, your CC instructor will have had to verify and marked on your training certificate ) Some training exception questions have been added to the application this wont apply to the average Joe Does that apply to DD214's as well? I see where it asks you to upload the training cert, but I don't see anything about where to upload a DD214. |
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Does that apply to DD214's as well? I see where it asks you to upload the training cert, but I don't see anything about where to upload a DD214. Quoted:
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As of today IL CCW electronic application will only accept One training certificate (any previous training, Utah or what ever, your CC instructor will have had to verify and marked on your training certificate ) Some training exception questions have been added to the application this wont apply to the average Joe Does that apply to DD214's as well? I see where it asks you to upload the training cert, but I don't see anything about where to upload a DD214. Yes, the DD214 has to be verified by the Instructor and shown on the ISP form you will submit. As of right now...subject to ISP changing the process again! 
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Quoted: Yes, the DD214 has to be verified by the Instructor and shown on the ISP form you will submit. As of right now...subject to ISP changing the process again! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As of today IL CCW electronic application will only accept One training certificate (any previous training, Utah or what ever, your CC instructor will have had to verify and marked on your training certificate ) Some training exception questions have been added to the application this wont apply to the average Joe Does that apply to DD214's as well? I see where it asks you to upload the training cert, but I don't see anything about where to upload a DD214. Yes, the DD214 has to be verified by the Instructor and shown on the ISP form you will submit. As of right now...subject to ISP changing the process again! ISP did change the training certificate a couple of days ago. Instructors are the check and balance to prove prior training <grumbles> |