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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Got a letter in the mail from ATF, Steven Crites NFA Processing Branch. "This is your only and final notice." 30 days to respond with needed info or disapproved. ETA; Sorry letter says foid OR ccl. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
ATF now requiring foid and ccl info for form 1 approval. Anyone else seeing this? "This is your only and final notice." 30 days to respond with needed info or disapproved. ETA; Sorry letter says foid OR ccl. It's been so long since I did mine that I don't remember if I sent mine along, but I probably did just to avoid delays. |
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Makes sense, since they would need to make sure you're legally allowed to own. It's been so long since I did mine that I don't remember if I sent mine along, but I probably did just to avoid delays. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Not my first sbr, first time getting the letter though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Makes sense, since they would need to make sure you're legally allowed to own. It's been so long since I did mine that I don't remember if I sent mine along, but I probably did just to avoid delays. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Any Chicagoland engravers that do nfa?
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"If you want to pray, pray before the fight, or pray after the fight. But when you are in the fight, you fight."
MSgt. Paul Howe (ret.) |
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Any Chicagoland engravers that do nfa? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Subiescott:
I used B.A.T Arms LLC in Plano a few months ago, they did a decent job lasering at the top of the trigger pocket. Although next time I'm going to speak to the guy doing it and let him know the 1/6th minimum font only applies to the serial number and manufacturer information, NOT NFA info. I would have liked it a bit smaller. I paid about $40 I believe, probably less. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Subiescott:
Originally Posted By dogrobber13:
Any Chicagoland engravers that do nfa? Heading over there tomorrow morning. |
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"If you want to pray, pray before the fight, or pray after the fight. But when you are in the fight, you fight."
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Does anyone know if there has been any effort to have the C&R requirement removed? I seem to remember Todd V. stating that it was something they'd like to get done.
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Does anyone know if there has been any effort to have the C&R requirement removed? I seem to remember Todd V. stating that it was something they'd like to get done. View Quote Todd was an NRA lobbyist for IL when passed. Now hes with the IL FFL dealers.I cant see this being an issue for them,the ISRA, etc. |
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This is a fun one!
I moved on IL a year ago. At that time I added a friend to my trust and my SBRs and suppressor are at his house in MO. Now I want my stuff in my back All of my NFA things are on a trust. Can I get a C&R under my trust, then bring the SBRs over to IL once the ATF approves my form 20? If not, I am the grantor on the trust, as the grantor, can I have a C&R in my name and still bring them over on the trust? If not, I guess I need to get a C&R in my name, transfer the SBRs to me and then I can bring them ove |
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Originally Posted By 200Z3M: This is a fun one! I moved on IL a year ago. At that time I added a friend to my trust and my SBRs and suppressor are at his house in MO. Now I want my stuff in my back All of my NFA things are on a trust. Can I get a C&R under my trust, then bring the SBRs over to IL once the ATF approves my form 20? If not, I am the grantor on the trust, as the grantor, can I have a C&R in my name and still bring them over on the trust? If not, I guess I need to get a C&R in my name, transfer the SBRs to me and then I can bring them ove View Quote No. A trust can't hold a C&R. I'm not sure how it all works with bringing SBR permanently into the state. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: No. A trust can't hold a C&R. I'm not sure how it all works with bringing SBR permanently into the state. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By 200Z3M: This is a fun one! I moved on IL a year ago. At that time I added a friend to my trust and my SBRs and suppressor are at his house in MO. Now I want my stuff in my back All of my NFA things are on a trust. Can I get a C&R under my trust, then bring the SBRs over to IL once the ATF approves my form 20? If not, I am the grantor on the trust, as the grantor, can I have a C&R in my name and still bring them over on the trust? If not, I guess I need to get a C&R in my name, transfer the SBRs to me and then I can bring them ove No. A trust can't hold a C&R. I'm not sure how it all works with bringing SBR permanently into the state. What if I form a LLC and make the LLC own the trust? Then I can have the LLC own the C&R, it would be a huge shell game |
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Originally Posted By 200Z3M: What if I form a LLC and make the LLC own the trust? Then I can have the LLC own the C&R, it would be a huge shell game View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 200Z3M: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By 200Z3M: This is a fun one! I moved on IL a year ago. At that time I added a friend to my trust and my SBRs and suppressor are at his house in MO. Now I want my stuff in my back All of my NFA things are on a trust. Can I get a C&R under my trust, then bring the SBRs over to IL once the ATF approves my form 20? If not, I am the grantor on the trust, as the grantor, can I have a C&R in my name and still bring them over on the trust? If not, I guess I need to get a C&R in my name, transfer the SBRs to me and then I can bring them ove No. A trust can't hold a C&R. I'm not sure how it all works with bringing SBR permanently into the state. What if I form a LLC and make the LLC own the trust? Then I can have the LLC own the C&R, it would be a huge shell game The C&R would still be under the Trust no matter who/what owns the LLC, so it's still a non-starter. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By 200Z3M: What if I form a LLC and make the LLC own the trust? Then I can have the LLC own the C&R, it would be a huge shell game View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 200Z3M: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By 200Z3M: This is a fun one! I moved on IL a year ago. At that time I added a friend to my trust and my SBRs and suppressor are at his house in MO. Now I want my stuff in my back All of my NFA things are on a trust. Can I get a C&R under my trust, then bring the SBRs over to IL once the ATF approves my form 20? If not, I am the grantor on the trust, as the grantor, can I have a C&R in my name and still bring them over on the trust? If not, I guess I need to get a C&R in my name, transfer the SBRs to me and then I can bring them ove No. A trust can't hold a C&R. I'm not sure how it all works with bringing SBR permanently into the state. What if I form a LLC and make the LLC own the trust? Then I can have the LLC own the C&R, it would be a huge shell game Why? An LLC enables more than one 'owner', provides legal protection, obviates probate - the trust is unnecessary. What else do you seek? |
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The other issue with the stupid sbr law in Illinois is that the firearm has to be 26” oal.
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Just got my C&R issued, created my account on ATF E-forms website, and linked my C&R to my account using the FFL number and the EIN off my W-2.
Once that all gets linked, I'll be doing the form 1's. Hope I don't mess it up |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: Just got my C&R issued, created my account on ATF E-forms website, and linked my C&R to my account using the FFL number and the EIN off my W-2. Once that all gets linked, I'll be doing the form 1's. Hope I don't mess it up View Quote Huh, I didn't know we could file e-forms in Illinois |
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She looks like she could do more tricks on a six inch dick than a monkey on a 50 foot rope
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: Just got my C&R issued, created my account on ATF E-forms website, and linked my C&R to my account using the FFL number and the EIN off my W-2. Once that all gets linked, I'll be doing the form 1's. Hope I don't mess it up View Quote How long does it take to get a C & R these days? |
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Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: How long does it take to get a C & R these days? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: Originally Posted By Marksman14: Just got my C&R issued, created my account on ATF E-forms website, and linked my C&R to my account using the FFL number and the EIN off my W-2. Once that all gets linked, I'll be doing the form 1's. Hope I don't mess it up How long does it take to get a C & R these days? Someone in here got theirs back in a few weeks not too long ago. I want to say mine took about that long, but that was 6 years ago. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: How long does it take to get a C & R these days? View Quote Mine took maybe 2-3 weeks. I didn’t know we could e-file either, but on the previous page apparently it’s been done and approved. Already got the confirmation email from the ATF that my e file account is linked to my FFL and EIN as well. Gonna fill them out this weekend, submit the copy of my FOID and hopefully get them approved quickly! |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: Mine took maybe 2-3 weeks. I didn’t know we could e-file either, but on the previous page apparently it’s been done and approved. Already got the confirmation email from the ATF that my e file account is linked to my FFL and EIN as well. Gonna fill them out this weekend, submit the copy of my FOID and hopefully get them approved quickly! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Marksman14: Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: How long does it take to get a C & R these days? Mine took maybe 2-3 weeks. I didn’t know we could e-file either, but on the previous page apparently it’s been done and approved. Already got the confirmation email from the ATF that my e file account is linked to my FFL and EIN as well. Gonna fill them out this weekend, submit the copy of my FOID and hopefully get them approved quickly! I may have to do a couple more if we can e-file now. Will have to get up to speed with the new fingerprinting stuff. Been a minute since I did my last one. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I may have to do a couple more if we can e-file now. Will have to get up to speed with the new fingerprinting stuff. Been a minute since I did my last one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Marksman14: Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: How long does it take to get a C & R these days? Mine took maybe 2-3 weeks. I didn’t know we could e-file either, but on the previous page apparently it’s been done and approved. Already got the confirmation email from the ATF that my e file account is linked to my FFL and EIN as well. Gonna fill them out this weekend, submit the copy of my FOID and hopefully get them approved quickly! I may have to do a couple more if we can e-file now. Will have to get up to speed with the new fingerprinting stuff. Been a minute since I did my last one. Yup, I eForm’d back on 7/6/19. I’d have to look but overall from C&R application mailed off to approved stamp, I think like 30ish days? I made mention of it a few pages back I believe. But if anyone needs help, PM me. I can also build a tutorial, to help other Illinoisans out. It is definitely possible and definitely legal. I’m surprised how some FFLs aren’t even aware of it. |
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Originally Posted By Subiescott: Yup, I eForm’d back on 7/6/19. I’d have to look but overall from C&R application mailed off to approved stamp, I think like 30ish days? I made mention of it a few pages back I believe. But if anyone needs help, PM me. I can also build a tutorial, to help other Illinoisans out. It is definitely possible and definitely legal. I’m surprised how some FFLs aren’t even aware of it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Subiescott: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By Marksman14: Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: How long does it take to get a C & R these days? Mine took maybe 2-3 weeks. I didn’t know we could e-file either, but on the previous page apparently it’s been done and approved. Already got the confirmation email from the ATF that my e file account is linked to my FFL and EIN as well. Gonna fill them out this weekend, submit the copy of my FOID and hopefully get them approved quickly! I may have to do a couple more if we can e-file now. Will have to get up to speed with the new fingerprinting stuff. Been a minute since I did my last one. Yup, I eForm’d back on 7/6/19. I’d have to look but overall from C&R application mailed off to approved stamp, I think like 30ish days? I made mention of it a few pages back I believe. But if anyone needs help, PM me. I can also build a tutorial, to help other Illinoisans out. It is definitely possible and definitely legal. I’m surprised how some FFLs aren’t even aware of it. I've already got my C&R, but a e-form/fingerprint process would be welcome. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
One denied due to never receiving fingerprints, despite my tracking showing they were delivered.
The other is still pending. Now I have to wait for my new physical FOID to show, because my card expires in a month and they won’t have it done by then...which would mean according to them, it’s expired. Hopefully the other goes through. |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: One denied due to never receiving fingerprints, despite my tracking showing they were delivered. The other is still pending. Now I have to wait for my new physical FOID to show, because my card expires in a month and they won’t have it done by then...which would mean according to them, it’s expired. Hopefully the other goes through. View Quote FOIDs and CCWs expiration dates have been pushed out to whenever they open the process back up plus one year, so you should be fine. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: Concur, but I don’t know if that will fly with the ATF. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Marksman14: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: FOIDs and CCWs expiration dates have been pushed out to whenever they open the process back up plus one year, so you should be fine. Concur, but I don’t know if that will fly with the ATF. Since it's a state thing, I'd bet it would. But you never know these days. Might not hurt to call in and ask. |
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it." |
Originally Posted By Subiescott: Yup, I eForm’d back on 7/6/19. I’d have to look but overall from C&R application mailed off to approved stamp, I think like 30ish days? I made mention of it a few pages back I believe. But if anyone needs help, PM me. I can also build a tutorial, to help other Illinoisans out. It is definitely possible and definitely legal. I’m surprised how some FFLs aren’t even aware of it. View Quote @subiescott I would appreciate it if you would. I was planning on doing a couple of sbr’s after I moved to az but those plans have been on hold since this pandemic started and then my dad had a stroke a month ago so I have to help him out at the shop. |
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@Ivan1
Give me a few days and I'll start collecting together some things to build a PDF file on. I should have built a guide "as I went" but was too lazy, lol. In short, for an Illinoisan: Ensure FOID is valid and/or renew (I went through the eForm Form 1 process while still waiting for my renewal) > obtain C&R FFL 03 > File Form 1 on eForms > Wait (mine took under 45 days for EVERYTHING mentioned). I'd like to say I was lucky but I think I just followed the rules and was very punctual. To the point when writing on all of the forms, I took forever to ensure it was legible, spelled correctly, and didn't smear. Double checking and in some cases triple checking was necessary. Take photos of the forms prior to sending, and always send USPS priority with signature requirement and tracking. It was honestly a very painless process and sort of exciting, as I progressed through each stage. When the C&R comes back, make sure you sent notifications in your calendar far ahead of time on when it is set to expire. Everything hinders off of that. I highly encourage everyone reading this to file another Form 1, however, with the whole brace thing being contested by you know who. But anyway, standby for a guide and all. |
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Originally Posted By Subiescott: @Ivan1 Give me a few days and I'll start collecting together some things to build a PDF file on. I should have built a guide "as I went" but was too lazy, lol. In short, for an Illinoisan: Ensure FOID is valid and/or renew (I went through the eForm Form 1 process while still waiting for my renewal) > obtain C&R FFL 03 > File Form 1 on eForms > Wait (mine took under 45 days for EVERYTHING mentioned). I'd like to say I was lucky but I think I just followed the rules and was very punctual. To the point when writing on all of the forms, I took forever to ensure it was legible, spelled correctly, and didn't smear. Double checking and in some cases triple checking was necessary. Take photos of the forms prior to sending, and always send USPS priority with signature requirement and tracking. It was honestly a very painless process and sort of exciting, as I progressed through each stage. When the C&R comes back, make sure you sent notifications in your calendar far ahead of time on when it is set to expire. Everything hinders off of that. I highly encourage everyone reading this to file another Form 1, however, with the whole brace thing being contested by you know who. But anyway, standby for a guide and all. View Quote @subiescott my foid expires this month even though I renewed already but probably won’t see my new card till next year sometime. |
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Originally Posted By Ivan1: @subiescott my foid expires this month even though I renewed already but probably won’t see my new card till next year sometime. View Quote Although the card expire date may be past, under ISP Covid rules the card should still remain active and be seen if run through LE inquiry. If the ATF or others demand a card image with a non expired date, not much you can do there but wait a few months. The ISP is processing new apps ahead of renewal apps. |
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Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: Although the card expire date may be past, under ISP Covid rules the card should still remain active and be seen if run through LE inquiry. If the ATF or others demand a card image with a non expired date, not much you can do there but wait a few months. The ISP is processing new apps ahead of renewal apps. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: Originally Posted By Ivan1: @subiescott my foid expires this month even though I renewed already but probably won’t see my new card till next year sometime. Although the card expire date may be past, under ISP Covid rules the card should still remain active and be seen if run through LE inquiry. If the ATF or others demand a card image with a non expired date, not much you can do there but wait a few months. The ISP is processing new apps ahead of renewal apps. @InterestedBystander for what it's worth I went into the Form 1 process with a card that had already been expired and renewed online. In eForms you can upload a ton of documents, so I made sure I uploaded a PDF file of the receipt showing I had renewed in conjunction with my old card. I was lucky and had the new card arrive, I also uploaded that. But again, in eForms, you could see my progression from each file uploaded. They were fine with it and never questioned anything. Now is the time. |
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Sounds good. What about the c&r, can I do the same? I didn’t go thru all this cause I wasn’t planning on being here much longer but may be here for a few more years so might as well.
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Originally Posted By Ivan1: Sounds good. What about the c&r, can I do the same? I didn’t go thru all this cause I wasn’t planning on being here much longer but may be here for a few more years so might as well. View Quote I believe C&Rs still need to be done on paper, so I'd just include copies showing you renewed your FOID. I would also include ISP's statement on how it is still valid. |
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I’m SBRing my SP5 and just got it engraved at Krios Engraving in Geneseo. Lee is an Army vet and FFL. Laser engraved while I waited, but you can ship to him as well. $45. Top notch!
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Would a c&r be denied if your physical address is in Chicago due to the so called AWB?
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Originally Posted By Chompion: Would a c&r be denied if your physical address is in Chicago due to the so called AWB? View Quote Why would it be? Getting a C&R does not mean you are buying anything on the Chicago AWB list. There are some reports of people in Cook/Chicago even getting an SBR approved iirc. |
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Guys, I'm an SOT in MO. I have a question. Is it just SBR's legal there? Are SBS' legal as well, or not? I have a guy from there asking about it on a GunBroker Auction.
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Originally Posted By NOMAAM: Guys, I'm an SOT in MO. I have a question. Is it just SBR's legal there? Are SBS' legal as well, or not? I have a guy from there asking about it on a GunBroker Auction. Thanks! Aaron View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NOMAAM: Guys, I'm an SOT in MO. I have a question. Is it just SBR's legal there? Are SBS' legal as well, or not? I have a guy from there asking about it on a GunBroker Auction. Thanks! Aaron IANAL Never looked into it but have read DD and AOW may be OK (dont know specifics) but SBS are not. Perhaps someone who knows for sure will be along with an answer. https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072000050K24-1 (720 ILCS 5/24-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 24-1) Sec. 24-1. Unlawful use of weapons. (a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly: (7) Sells, manufactures, purchases, possesses or carries (ii) any rifle having one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches; or |
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Of course the guy bid and then asked the question. 😕 I guarantee by all the questions he asked he doesn't have a C&R. Man, selling NFA stuff on GB sucks a bunch..... thanks for the help man.
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Originally Posted By NOMAAM: Of course the guy bid and then asked the question. 😕 I guarantee by all the questions he asked he doesn't have a C&R. Man, selling NFA stuff on GB sucks a bunch..... thanks for the help man. View Quote C&R or military reenactor membership gets you SBR. Suppressors get talked about here every so often but expect thats a long way off unless court ordered like our CCL was. |
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Originally Posted By korgs130: I’m SBRing my SP5 and just got it engraved at Krios Engraving in Geneseo. Lee is an Army vet and FFL. Laser engraved while I waited, but you can ship to him as well. $45. Top notch! https://krios-engraving.com/ View Quote @korgs130 Isn’t an MP5 less than 26”? Do you have a fixed stock and not a folder? Maybe I’m confused on the IL law for it and also have an mp5 I’d like to SBR |
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I’m getting ready to do this, thanks for all the info guys.
Can I put my wife down as a responsible person for a C&R or is that only for dealers? |
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Clinging to my guns and religion in Illinois.
Check out what my wife is doing http://yellowtennessee.com/ |
I just finished this process! I mailed out my C&R app on 01/30/21 and received my approval for a form 1 e file on 4/8/21.
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Got an itch to scratch, last two stamps had been filed the old fashioned way. Looking to e-file this go around, do you still mail in the fingerprint reference cards?
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Originally Posted By NoQuarters: Got an itch to scratch, last two stamps had been filed the old fashioned way. Looking to e-file this go around, do you still mail in the fingerprint reference cards? View Quote Yeah, you will get a cover letter to mail with fingerprint cards when you submit the form. |
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I’ve been putting this off way to long. Any trouble in will county with our democrat sheriff? I know its only notification but this is a process I’ve never done.
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Any other place to get engraving? Bat is 100 and I feel that might be too much.
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I recall people recommending a place in Bensenville, but is that too far?
ETA https://www.ar15.com/forums/hometown/While-you-wait-firearms-engraving-in-Chicago-area/23-654918/ |
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Originally Posted By InterestedBystander: I recall people recommending a place in Bensenville, but is that too far? ETA https://www.ar15.com/forums/hometown/While-you-wait-firearms-engraving-in-Chicago-area/23-654918/ View Quote About an hour for me but it sounds like excellent service. |
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