[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The ASC Practical Rifle- DEC (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/29/2010 12:20:45 AM EDT
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As of this moment ( 0313 11/29 )
The ASC's PRC for DEC will be held on SAT 12/ 18. Short course. In the works will be; VTAC ( Viking tactical ) Drills from the 9-hole Barricade (25 yd Range ) "Distance" shooting, Steel targets out on the 200yd. *** OFCOURSE Weather permitting.... *** hahahahaha If it aint Rain'n ( or Snow'n ) We AINT train'n. I will, again, split the attendees into 2- Groups. HSLD & HDLS 
** AS A REMINDER ** Date is : 18 DEC start time NLT 10 The ASC course is open to the public. NON ASC members pay 20$. Currently I am NOT planning on having a PISTOL CoF for DEC. CoF will be VTAC: Highsmith Rifle Drill ( w/ IPSCs NOT STEEL ) see YT for stage description. STEEL Targets out on 200yd will be scenario based. There... DAM I need stuff to do at work, besides think about this kinda stuff. |
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I might pick up one of the 12" square steel plates from LEtargets.com I was telling you about. They mount to a 2x4 the same as the ones we were shooting on Saturday. I think a 10" circle @ 200yds will be extremely difficult for those running non-magnified optics or iron sights. A 12" steel square might make it more feasible at that distance. Maybe running the 10" circle steel plate @ 50yds for the VTAC 9-hole drill would be a good challenge that most should be able to handle. Just throwin' out some ideas.... Stay safe, Nick |
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What range is this at??
Figured it out. Looks like about an hour and a half drive. Might be a nice pre-holiday getaway. Edit2 OK, I found the thread for last months shoot. Is there any classification other than the experience level of shooters? Looks like there are no restrictions on gear, as compared to say IPSC. |
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1- that because we are NOT IPSC tho we use courses that have been out for decades.
2- dont come with any kinda class.... you wont fit in with the rest of us ( hahahaha > humor) ND- have faith brother 1- cant use the steel closer then 100yds That would require everyone to use frangible ammo 2- the steel will be easy... + my goal is to open up the opportunities the ASC has to offer to its "members". most "other" unmentionable clubs dont offer more then 100yds give it a chance its the last shoot for the year and im sure it'll be DAM COLD. you're more then welcome to bring your steel |
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Well then...
my plan was to set this stage up with the steel plates incorporated w/ IPSCs and see if anyone could hit the steel whether they be at center mass or headshots. It wasn't only gonna be steel i'd stage the targets in "hostage" Scenarios maybe ill throw a couple up for those "willing" and just shoot IPSCs at 200 And readjust the highsmith for 100yd 2 steel targets and 3 50yd IPSCs Hows that? |
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I would personally love to see drills that force you to shoot on the move, and speed reloads.
Something like the Chameleon, where we ran 100Y and then engaged targets while catching our breath is also something I'd like to practice. Both of these things, especially shooting on the move are features unique to the ASC, as very few other ranges near me allow for that. Sycamore doesn't even allow for rapid fire (no double taps)...
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I think that would be an excellent compromise, especially for those without optics. (Give me some time to save for my ACOG) I have never been to one of your events, as I recently moved from Iowa. I will most likely become a regular though after watching the videos from this month. Not many civilian ranges do those set ups. |
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Come on out. Tho I myself HATE the cold, for you guys... Sure I'll brave it for a few hours of shooting 
NH- Bro it will come in time- As of now the ASC has rules to govrn Holster drawing for it's MEMBERS ONLY We'll see about hosting the PRC - with transitions drills. I'll approach the Board on responsibilites of the RSO ( Pecker & I ). Unless PECKER can speak to that effect, now ? Remember that membership, gets you, use of the Ranges at your leisure year round. To include the 600ydr- once You've qualified Holster draw - once you've been certified 10$ for the PRC and half price on most all other events sponsord by the ASC. ( ZS 2011, PRC's, TPRC ( SC )) OK so yes you have to contiribute 10hrs your 1st yr. BUT you can kill that bird w/ assisting PECKER and I w/ the PRC's. **ESPECIALLY in a CLEAN-UP CREW capacity** 
PECKER and I will do our best to bring you guys an array of Drills. As I stated in the NOV thread, we take the courses from the IDPA / IPSC books and tweek them for not-so competetive shooting and practice for the average / novice shooters. While our course designs are not near as elaborate as the IDPA / IPSC events, We will do our best to have you guys "kicking-in-doors" if ya want. Between PECKER, Myself, Testedone and other ASC members that attend the PRC's other members of the ASC are seeing that the old school days of Bench rest shooting, are fading in the dust... Most everyone wants to use their Rifles & Pistols in aggressive manners and not some Sunday lazy day fashion of the 40's & 50's ( OUCH yeah I went there OLD TIMERS.... hahahaha ) see ya in a couple of days... OH and as of TODAY in Waterman, 1st SNOW FALL |
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A 10" plate at 200 yd is going to be very hard for iron sights and improbable for red dot. Think of it this way it will appear the same as a 1" circle at 20 yds. Plus will probably be windy in Dec. Gonna be some really hard shooting. 
Had to comment on this, you should see some of the guys that shoot the 600 yard with iron sites, they do quite well, my PSG does great at those ranges with iron sights @Tango, Keith I plan to be there this month, I LOVE shooting in the cold
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A 10" plate at 200 yd is going to be very hard for iron sights and improbable for red dot. Think of it this way it will appear the same as a 1" circle at 20 yds. Plus will probably be windy in Dec. Gonna be some really hard shooting.
Had to comment on this, you should see some of the guys that shoot the 600 yard with iron sites, they do quite well, my PSG does great at those ranges with iron sights @Tango, Keith I plan to be there this month, I LOVE shooting in the cold I just got out of the Marines so I've shot those distances. 500 yds every year for qual, but that is a man sized target. Even then it is not easy. Take a quarter and place it 20 yds away, then sight in. Thats what 10" will look like at 200 yds. Also helps to have a 20' barrel, but most seem to run carbines today. |
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Actually a 20" vs 16" at 200yds isnt noticable.
It's not until you wanna start reaching out to beyond 500yds on a 556 platform that there will be noticable variables. And then at that it will be all about your load, 55g vs 77g. Neither has much of an effect at 200yds, stay on topic this was only to inform those of the intended CoF, which has been reworked and will offer 2- 10" steel plates out at 200yds for those willing. All others will shoot cardboard IPSC's and 2- SP at the 100yd VTAC HS Drill. Oh and I might open up a lane for those FREEZING THEIR BALLS OFF.
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NH hit the mark ( for once -  )
Owch. 
This starts at 10 am, or are there earlier groups?
What time do you usually finish up? I have to be somewhere @ 2 pm. Mandatory Safety brief starts at 0930- all groups start together, but may end earlier or later depending. Aim to finish around 1300; you can leave before the end of the official shoot or during the middle of a stage. (be nice to let us know beforehand though). |
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I have 2 of these that I can bring.
MGM BC zone steel target |
| Is there a place where we can confirm zero. Been moving my T1 to and fro uppers. If targets aren't too far off than I'd be ok with KY windage. I thought there were going to be some longer shots if so it might be worth while getting some time at the rifle tube at Bass Pro |
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I hope it's snowing and bitter cold and the pros forget their long under wear.............Than I can enter comp side and have half a chance Indeed.... Remind me to talk to you about yote hunting when I am there..have some questions... Just got a line on a new property........Finally. Been waiting for this guy to give me the go ahead |
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YES there are several other Ranges available to use for zero'. Just PLEASE arrive atleast by 9am for that. I had a few show up at the last minute prior to us starting the Safety Brief. ** RM ** SORRY bro at the moment, Tho that meets the requirment, unless we shoot it at 100yds or beyond anything closer will require the use of Frangible ammo for all. |
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* LM * YES there are several other Ranges available to use for zero'. Just PLEASE arrive atleast by 9am for that. I had a few show up at the last minute prior to us starting the Safety Brief. ** RM ** SORRY bro at the moment, Tho that meets the requirment, unless we shoot it at 100yds or beyond anything closer will require the use of Frangible ammo for all. I take it RM is me? I was just offering to bring extra steel to add to a stage. On a side note I'm not sure if your quoting range policy in regards to the use of frangible and steel, but the steel Ive got is forward leaned that defects ALL spall down into the ground. Ive literally dumped entire mags of 5.56 at 7 yds with 0 spall coming back. If its OK we could run these for a 9 hole at 50 or even 100 if that's range policy. This video is not me but you get the idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8wtqw-U9_8 |
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* LM * YES there are several other Ranges available to use for zero'. Just PLEASE arrive atleast by 9am for that. I had a few show up at the last minute prior to us starting the Safety Brief. ** RM ** SORRY bro at the moment, Tho that meets the requirment, unless we shoot it at 100yds or beyond anything closer will require the use of Frangible ammo for all. I take it RM is me? I was just offering to bring extra steel to add to a stage. On a side note I'm not sure if your quoting range policy in regards to the use of frangible and steel, but the steel Ive got is forward leaned that defects ALL spall down into the ground. Ive literally dumped entire mags of 5.56 at 7 yds with 0 spall coming back. If its OK we could run these for a 9 hole at 50 or even 100 if that's range policy. This video is not me but you get the idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8wtqw-U9_8 I think Tango is trying to say it is an ASC range rule for safety (and likely liability) that we can't shoot steel plates at closer than 100 yards. |
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* LM * YES there are several other Ranges available to use for zero'. Just PLEASE arrive atleast by 9am for that. I had a few show up at the last minute prior to us starting the Safety Brief. ** RM ** SORRY bro at the moment, Tho that meets the requirment, unless we shoot it at 100yds or beyond anything closer will require the use of Frangible ammo for all. I take it RM is me? I was just offering to bring extra steel to add to a stage. On a side note I'm not sure if your quoting range policy in regards to the use of frangible and steel, but the steel Ive got is forward leaned that defects ALL spall down into the ground. Ive literally dumped entire mags of 5.56 at 7 yds with 0 spall coming back. If its OK we could run these for a 9 hole at 50 or even 100 if that's range policy. This video is not me but you get the idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8wtqw-U9_8 I think Tango is trying to say it is an ASC range rule for safety (and likely liability) that we can't shoot steel plates at closer than 100 yards. Yes... |
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The ASC is exploring the use of steel. And YES tho, there is a ton-fuk of data out there of "others" shooting steel at closer ranges then 100yd, whether the target be "angled" or frangible ammo is used. We ( the ASC / PRC hosts ) need to errr on the side of caution. We want to bring the community the means to use their Weapon platforms in "off-the-bench" manners, but for now, we have to be cautious. |
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DITTO. The ASC is exploring the use of steel. And YES tho, there is a ton-fuk of data out there of "others" shooting steel at closer ranges then 100yd, whether the target be "angled" or frangible ammo is used. We ( the ASC / PRC hosts ) need to errr on the side of caution. We want to bring the community the means to use their Weapon platforms in "off-the-bench" manners, but for now, we have to be cautious. I'm tracking you. I'll bring the steel and if ya like we can put it on the distance stage for more reactive shooting instead of running paper at distance. Just trying to help out.
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Good to hear they're exploring the uses of steel. Not like this will help, but I can confirm remman's steel is OK for shooting up close. We've all put quite a few rounds at that stuff at distances that would make some people cringe with zero spalling issues.
Hopefully steel like that will eventually get approved, as its a great training tool 
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I'll be the silly looking one with snow pants, snow boots and fishing gloves. Think it's more important to stay warm than looking cool. Also will any of the courses of fire require mag changes assuming you run it clean. "look cool - shoot cool - be cool" Looking forward to the shoot - you are right, it will be chilly! Tango - I will be there early to help you setup and confirm zero of my new rifle. (I will most likely be dragging out Smartdrug and Remman early too!)
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OK seeing how most are requesting MAG CHANGES we will run the VTAC Highsmith ( modified ). 8- rounds in each mag. this means, that.. ( if you've watched the vid ) You will engage 1-shot at the steel target at 100yds WEAKSIDE then trans to STRONGSIDE - shoot 1 / hit steel at 100yds then get up and shoot 2- each at the 3 IPSCs, THEN if your paying attention and hitting your targets you will need to MAG CHANGE prior to reengaging from behind the VTAC barricade, STRONGSIDE 100yd steel ( 1- shot ) then WEAKSIDE 100yd STEEL then get up and engage the 3-IPSCs again w/ 2- rounds each then hit the Barricade again for 1- shot each side STRONG / WEAK REMEMBER in this CoF you will END where you started. so from my count you will need 3- mags, so long as your hitting good. NOW it may be difficult for some to hit the 10" steel out at 100yds. if you want we can fore-go the STEEL here and just use IPSCs and move the drill distance closer. to 50yds ? ? ? And just shoot the steel on the 200yd and we can see about staging some steel for some "UP drills " on the 100yd ? ? ? let me know I WILL NOT BE SHOOTING this drill, I'm conserving my ammo for the 200yd plink-time. |
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Tango,
The Highsmith will be challenging! Im looking forward to shooting it. My opinion is running it as-shown in the video: (VTAC Highsmith Drill Video) would be better without adding the mag change. I have a feeling adding the mag change will make a hot-mess of an already challenging drill. What distance do you plan to place the cardboard IPSC's at? I think 10-15yds would be good. If Remman brings his 2 MGM BC Zone steel targets, I say use those @ 100yds and the 3 IPSC's @ 15yds for the Highsmith drill. |
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Tango, The Highsmith will be challenging! Im looking forward to shooting it. My opinion is running it as-shown in the video: (VTAC Highsmith Drill Video) would be better without adding the mag change. I have a feeling adding the mag change will make a hot-mess of an already challenging drill. What distance do you plan to place the cardboard IPSC's at? I think 10-15yds would be good. If Remman brings his 2 MGM BC Zone steel targets, I say use those @ 100yds and the 3 IPSC's @ 15yds for the Highsmith drill. The MGM's are already loaded in the truck. |