[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ISRA (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/4/2007 6:37:05 AM EDT
| Is ISRA part of NRA? I was a member of ISRA last year and want to re-up. Or should I switch to NRA? I know the obvious do both, but why? Thanks for any info on the subject... |
longtail, While I would agree that the NRA has not put much money into the IL gun fight as it has done in other states, we still NEED them to watch the federal government and make sure that no future AWB slips through the hole in the dike. Unfortunately, with Democrats in charge of Congress, that hole has become a gusher and California Senators Boxer and Feinstein as well as New York Senators Schumer and Clinton are chomping at the bit to get a new law passed. Therefore, I am a Life member of the NRA and if the ISRA continues to impress me as it has done in the last two years, I will become a Life ISRA member as well (even though there is possibility I will be taking a new job in Utah). The worst thing we can do is give up or become apathetic. If we do, the anti-gunners will win. he Keep up the fight. CRY "FREEDOM!" DocT |
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The ISRA handed us the end of IL gunshows as we knew them. They 'compromised' to get the destruction of background check records, and Blago line-item vetoed the part we wanted. So, the ISRA got us to support a bill that gained us nothing, and lost us gun shows. As a member, that pissed me off. |
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DocT, my entire beef with the NRA stems from the fact that when I give them my dollars, I don't see a return on them. I would agree that the NRA serves a useful purpose in some capacity but I would have to disagree with you that we NEED them to watch the federal government to make sure that no future AWB becomes law. We, as citizens, gun owners and lovers of freedom are the ones charged with that responsibility. We are the ones that must be vigilant and as individuals pay attention to the actions being taken by government and respond accordingly. I believe it has been us, every one of us that phoned, wrote and lobbied our elected officials that has (so far, knock wood) kept us free of the most recent assault on our gun rights here in Illinois. We can do the same at the federal level. One doesn’t need to be a member of any organization to do that. Please don’t confuse my decision not to be a member of the NRA with apathy. I prefer to concentrate my efforts at a local level. I wish you luck convincing them to be more proactive in our state. Catch223, I agree that in the past the ISRA has been much too willing to compromise with the enemy and have given me the impression that they were only interested in protecting “hunter’s rights” but I have been impressed and am optimistic about them as of late. I’m not sure what you mean when you said, “The ISRA handed us the end of IL gunshows as we knew them”. What bill was that and what changed about gunshows? I’m not challenging the accuracy of your statement, just curious about the specifics. |
I am unaware of what you speak of. I went to a gun show just the other day and nothing had changed as far as I know. |
Not to mention the $100K they sent to the anti-gun Illinois Council against Handgun Violence a few years back. The I$RA is run by a bunch of old men that care only about bolt rifles. |
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I'm not sure if this is the bill or not, but I think it is, where the ISRA was duped, big time. If you go to a gunshow a long distance from your home and buy a handgun, it just isn't even worth it. Who's going to drive a long distance, to pick it up, unless the gun is something really special. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE July 29, 2005 Gov. Blagojevich signs legislation closing gun show loophole in Illinois;New law makes it tougher for criminals to get firearms Background checks now required at Illinois gun shows CHICAGO – Taking an aggressive stand against gun violence, Governor Rod R. Blagojevich, joined by Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley, today signed legislation that closes the gun show loophole that allowed gun buyers to avoid comprehensive background checks. Senate Bill 1333, sponsored by Sen. John Cullerton (D-Chicago) and Rep. Harry Osterman (D-Chicago), requires gun sellers at firearm shows to request background checks for potential gun purchasers. The new law takes effect immediately. "Today we celebrate the triumph of common sense and a better chance at safe neighborhoods – neighborhoods free from violence, neighborhoods free from fear,” said Gov. Blagojevich. “Before we signed this bill, individuals could attend gun shows and buy weapons, regardless of their criminal history, putting our families and our neighborhoods at risk. This law will help keep dangerous weapons out of criminal hands, making our communities safer and more secure.” “People who want to purchase firearms at gun shows in Illinois will now go through the same important background checks as people who buy from licensed retail dealers,” added the governor. SB 1333 requires gun sellers, who are not federally licensed firearms dealers, to request background checks from the Illinois State Police (ISP) before they can sell guns at gun shows. If ISP determines, after a background check is conducted, that the buyer is qualified to own a gun, the state police will issue an approval number that is valid for 30 days, during which time the sale must take place. Additionally, the seller must retain records of sales for at least ten years and make those records available to law enforcement agencies for criminal investigations. "I want to thank Governor Blagojevich for signing this bill today, and I commend all the individuals and organizations who worked so hard for its enactment," said Mayor Richard M. Daley. "Chicago's crime rate has been dropping for 14 years, and this legislation will make the city and communities across the state even safer by making it more difficult for criminals to obtain guns." "Public safety is not a partisan issue, and we were able to advance this historic gun control measure with bipartisan support. We sent a clear message that we want these guns off the market for gang bangers and gun traffickers. Many elected officials, members of law enforcement, and gun control advocates worked on the passage of this legislation for many years, and I thank them for their efforts. I appreciate the governor's leadership and thank him for his support," said Rep. Harry Osterman (D-Chicago). “The purpose of gun laws is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. It doesn’t matter where they make the purchase,” said Sen. John Cullerton (D-Chicago). “The technology is there to close this loophole that allows the sale of guns to people who should not have guns and we should use it.” In recent years, the U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Department of Treasury, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco, and Explosives reported that between 2,000 and 5,000 gun shows take place annually - Illinois being among the top ten states for the most gun shows. A June 2000 federal study found that almost 26,000 guns recovered after crimes came from gun shows or flea markets. The federal reports also found in gun show investigations, felons are associated with selling or buying guns almost half the time. Guns purchased at gun shows have been used in some of this country’s most notorious and deadly crimes - including the 1999 Columbine High School tragedy in Colorado. The two 17-year-old boys who shot 26 students, killing 13 of them before turning the guns on themselves, obtained two shotguns and an assault rifle from a friend who purchased them at gun shows from private sellers. The woman later stated that had she been required to undergo a background check at the gun show, she never would have purchased the guns for the boys. “Governor Blagojevich is to be greatly praised for championing and signing a bill which will help protect our communities from shootings and killings,” said Dr. Gary Slutkin, MD, Executive Director of CeaseFire Illinois. “Governor Blagojevich has developed a successful multi-faceted campaign to help our neighborhoods become safer and more liveable - and residents all over the state are very grateful to him for these efforts. This is a critically important step forward in helping to save more lives.” The signing of SB 1333 builds on the governor’s continuing effort to stop gun violence in Illinois. · In June, the governor signed HB 524, HB 132, and HB 35, which imposed harsher prison sentences for individuals convicted of a crime using a firearm. The bills included mandatory prison time for second or subsequent offenses. · The governor also signed HB 348, which requires State Police to report the name and address of a person who attempted to get a Firearm Owner’s Identification Card (FOID card), but was denied, to the local law enforcement agency where the person lives. · The governor announced $3.9 million for Operation CeaseFire programs in Illinois in the coming fiscal year, including seven $250,000 grants for communities that will receive funding for the first time. Last year, Gov. Blagojevich increased funding for CeaseFire to expand from five Chicago communities to fifteen communities around the state. · In March, the governor created an elite gun trafficking police unit to stop the flow of crime guns into Illinois. The gun unit works with federal authorities and law enforcement agencies from Indiana and Mississippi to detect and capture gunrunners and illegal dealers. More crime guns flow into Illinois from Indiana and Mississippi than from any other state. · The governor has pushed strongly for the state assault weapons ban currently being considered by the legislature. The legislation would ban assault weapons and .50 caliber rifles in Illinois, which are extremely dangerous weapons. The ban would outlaw weapons such as UZIs, AK47s, and TEC-DC9s. |
Well, what a load of horseshit that is. I'll mention that the next time I talk to Don Moran or Rich Pearson about the Cook Co. assault weapons ban lawsuit that the ISRA is funding and I'm working on. Of course, they've been pretty hard to reach lately because they're spending a lot of time in Springfield lobbying - pretty successfully, I might add - against the state AWB. Not to mention the support the ISRA gives to highpower competition in the state, and you'll be hard-pressed to find any bolt rifles on that firing line. All AR's. |
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longtail, I would agree that if all gunowners were like you and I, then our voices and votes would prevent federal AWB's. However, with no disrespect intended, I think you are being naive. There are over 50 million, some say 75 million, gunowners in the US. That number is probably much higher, since gun ownership is fast becoming un-PC in many areas of the USA (can you say west coast and northeast hinking.gif) However, less than 1% belong to any national pro-gun lobbying group (NRA, GOA, SAF, CRKBA, etc.). If people are unwilling to join a national group for a few dollars a month, but spend hundreds on guns, ammo, gear, hunting licenses, range fees, whatever per year; how likely will it be that they will be pro-active enough to do what is needed to stop federal laws. It is often said that all politics is local, so its more likely that people will notice the consideration of new gun laws at the state/local level, but disregard what is happening in Washington. That's why we need these organizations watching our backs. Our money in the way of memberships is how they stay afloat and fund the lobbying. Yes, I too hate the fundraising gimmicks like coffee cups and surveys, but if they get someone to throw a few dollars at the them, that's ok with me. If I felt there was a better way, I too would spend my dollars locally, but when a President can ban my guns at anytime, no matter where I live in the US, we must watch Washington. The NRA does it better than most. DocT |
It may be horseshit, but there are many people in this state that believe it including myself to a certain extent. They don't just care about bolt guns, they like there Garands too. The ISRA has an image problem, like it or not. Yes they do some good, that's why I still send them money every year. Something else they need to work on is making a presence in other parts of the state. There is more to the state than Kankakee and Springfield. Sooner or later they need to be seen in Southern Illinois. i lived there most of my life and I don't remember one single ISRA event being held south of I64. You can't keep expecting the southern democrat senators and reps to vote pro-gun without some kind of reminder or show of support. Mark my words, sooner or later they will stab us in the back. That part of the state is very pro democrat and has almost no industry. They'll trade our guns for jobs and still get reelected. Don't think the Gov isn't trying to figure out what carrot to dangle. Everyone should know by now, logic and reason go out the window when discussing firearms. it's only what gets someone re-elected that matters. But, that's just my opinion and I could be wrong. |
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The NRA is virtually non-existent in Illinois due to the overall effectiveness of the ISRA. I am a paid-in-full life member of both organizations. Perfect? Of course not. Worth the price of admission? I think it's sad ALL gun owners don't think so. If HALF of all gun owners simply became paid members on an annual basis we wouldn't have to spend our time whining about gun laws. 
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Believe??? Be careful you might be having an emotional response. In fact, it seems like you are doing what you accuse them of. Holding, what you think, they shoot against them. Even worse you have somehow ignored the work ISRA has done this year with organizing grass roots action on and IL Semi auto and .50 bans.
Was IGOLD not enough for you? The legislative alert system? What about getting the NRA to help pay for that. A presence in Southern IL would work for you though. What do you suggest? There are highpower shoots in Effingham. If that’s not close enough why not organize a shoot of your own liking. Establish an event at a location and coordinate with them. Ohh….You just want THEM to organize and hold it. A state rifle assn counts on members to run and guide it. Members who plan shoots and build relationships with ranges.
Who is us? You mean the ISRA will join the Antis to stamp out gun ownership. Maybe all those people who are working for us should just quit. After all, they have not called you and asked how you would like them financially and politically out fox the banners and just wrap up this nation wide PR battle quickly instead of dragging it out for their own amusement and enrichment. The forces against are formidable. Our choice is to work with the state assn we have and if we don't like things they do, get more involved to change it. The ISRA is just people. People doing more than me ( for me ) to preserve the 2nd amendment. JR |
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ISRA has successfully become an association who will fight for all gun owners rights. They are no longer the "alleged" old boys network who only care about sport shotguns. IGOLD should be enough to get you naysayers on the team. Time to pony up and help the cause in Illinois by becoming a member and supporting the ISRA. When we are paying the bulk of the bills for the ISRA we will have that much more say over the thrust of the organization. |
All talk, no proof. Where's this supposed Crook County lawsuit? They have in the past few years given over $100K to an anti-gun organization and compromised on a gun bill to the point of being line item'd and we got SCREWED. I've seen more of a presence of Tim Vandermyde, who is not I$RA but NRA. What has the I$RA done to protect AR-15s and AK-47s? If you want us to open our wallets... Speaking of the line item veto... how is it illegal for the POTUS but not for an Illinois governor? |
ISRA Lawsuit Press Release Illinois has a different Constitution than the Federal government. |
Uh oh! Like myopic soccer moms you guys say "What have they done for my AK's and AR's". It's all about you. So now we can't just be gun owners, we have to be AK / AR15 owners. That's bizzaro Zumbo thinking. They ( ISRA ) stepped on their dicks with the gunshow background checks and some would rather hold their feet to the fire and bitch, than get on with it. Splitting hairs about who Vandermyde works for is signifcant because it proves what?? That the ISRA is slacking? Huh? Could it be that their budget is such that NRA covers the top shelf lobbyist. Better yet.... who cares. People are working against an AWB and .50 cal ban right now. In case you haven't been keeping up with current events that includes your guns. JR |
YOU don't have proof because you are obviously uninvolved in any meaningful way with this fight. YOU don't have proof because your impact on the 2nd Amendment issues in this state has been so pathetically miniscule that you are a virtual unknown within the ranks of the grassroots movement. Otherwise, YOU would have known. But, of course, while ISRA is working with good folks RIGHT NOW who are fighting Stroger and worrying everyday about being harrassed and having their homes raided in response to this lawsuit, ISRA should drive right on over to your place in order to prove their worth to you... You're the one doing the talking. There are plenty of folks here on this site, right now, who are carrying the load... My thanks to all of them. |
Thanks for the link. Guess this one must have flew past my radar. Interesting if it's true; it didn't look like Old Man Pearson knew what an AR-15 was until now. |
Some of us actually LIVE in Crook County and not just talk about it from the other counties. Some of us actually dare to be a gun owner in it, too. Even lobby against gun control in it. So yea I'm "uninvolved in any meaningful way". Aren't you one of those folks who posted in one of those "how can I comply with the ban" posts? So then you'd give up your guns in a heartbeat if your regime decreed it so. On a lighter note, I didn't see anything here about the fact that Kirk Dillard will be stepping down from his committee... |
I stand by everything I said. Moreover, you are not the only one living in Cook, and you sure aren't the only one who "dares" to be a gunowner here, either - there's another 251,000 others, IIRC. You are to my knowledge, however, the only one badmouthing the ISRA (and by extension members here) by calling us fudds while totally unaware of the aforementioned lawsuit and hardwork they (and members here) do. By the way, I would definitely love to see you pull up a single instance where I have given, or sought, advice in regards to "complying" with any ban that affects any firearm enthusiast in this county, state or nation. If that was aimed at diverting attention away from folks calling you out on your ignorance and thoughtless insults about ISRA and members here being fudds, that is totally understandable. However, if you believe it to be true, give us a link. |
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Wow. This discussion is all over the map. Mind if I "arf" in here? just to clarify some things... >>Is ISRA part of NRA? The ISRA is the NRA affiliate for Illinois. ISRA is the sanctioning body for NRA competition in Illinois. NRA doesn;t fund ISRA, and vice-versa. However, ISRA is an NRA recruiter, and NRA will work with ISRA on membership drives. NRA membership does not imply nor is a replacement for ISRA membership and vice versa. Are you a concerned gun owner in Illinois? Make sure that you're a member of both. I am. >> I appreciate the ISRA's efforts this year especially. They seem to be much more in >> step and on top of what's been going on here and more proactive than any time >> in the past that I remember. ISRA tries to be on top every year. Some years are better than others. >> I agree that in the past the ISRA has been much too willing to compromise with the >> enemy and have given me the impression that they were only interested in >> protecting “hunter’s rights” but I have been impressed and am optimistic >> about them as of late. "Hunter's Rights" are important to ISRA becuase hunters are gun owners too. There are some hunters here in AR-15.com, no? >> The I$RA is run by a bunch of old men that care only about bolt rifles. Wow. This person probably doesn't really know any of the men and women in ISRA leadership. And where did he learn to spell it with a "$"? Is that place still open for business? >> Something else they need to work on is making a presence in other parts of the >> state. There is more to the state than Kankakee and Springfield. Sooner or later >> they need to be seen in Southern Illinois. i lived there most of my life and >> I don't remember one single ISRA event being held south of I64. ISRA leadership comes from all corners of the state, and there are members in every county. Unless you live south of where the grapes are grown in the 'lil ozarks, there's ISRA leadership south of you. there are ISRA events held in SI, but not as many as we'd like. Also, the ISRA Annual Meeting is traditionally held in different parts of the state, in 2004 it was at Rend Lake. >> The NRA is virtually non-existent in Illinois due to the overall effectiveness of the >> ISRA. I am a paid-in-full life member of both organizations. Perfect? Of course not. >> Worth the price of admission? I think it's sad ALL gun owners don't think so. The NRA lobbyist and the ISRA lobbyists work together closely. >> If HALF of all gun owners simply became paid members on an annual basis >> we wouldn't have to spend our time whining about gun laws. Yup. >> ISRA has successfully become an association who will fight for all gun owners rights. >> They are no longer the "alleged" old boys network who only care >> about sport shotguns. The "sport shotguns" part is an interesting misperception about ISRA. And I'm not sure I've heard it too many times before. FYI, the ISRA was originally part of an effort to make sure that the military could count on finding shooters among draftees and volunteers. Competition with centerfire (ie "highpower") rifles was and still is a driving force, albeit today ISRA casts a wider net interms of types of competitions sanctioned and trying to protect the rights of all IL gun owners. However, I can confirm rumors that some ISRA members and some ISRA leaders do actually own "sport shotguns." But not exclusively, mind you. ;-) >> What has the I$RA done to protect AR-15s and AK-47s? && >> it didn't look like Old Man Pearson knew what an AR-15 was until now. The ISRA is all about protecting those kinds of firearms, really. And apparently this person don't know Richard. People like Kroagnon who are unhappy about ISRA because of something that they've heard could do one of two things: 1. They could join or renew and then continue to complain. If they complain directly to the ISRA, they'll get a response, someone will listen. Does this mean that ISRA will overnight become the perfect organization in their eyes? No, of course not. But at least they'll be criticizing their own organization. 2. They could stand on the side lines and complain about the ISRA, but without being a member. If they complain directly to the ISRA, they still might get a response. But the non-member doesn't really have a say in the direction that ISRA takes. Personally, I recommend #1. If the ISRA and the actions it takes were not important to them in at least some small way, why even bother taking part in the thread? Mike W. |
I judge the I$RA based on their track record to date, not what you or other people say or hear. While they seem to have finally discovered the AR-15 and AK-47, I remain unconvinced that they are the organization to support at this time. Certainly their actions in the past is reason enough to empty out their board of directors and bring in fresh faces - starting with Pearson. I predict they'll compromise on the .50 ban and we'll take a loss. |
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I met Richard Pearson the other night and gave him a $500 check from my union. He was very impressive. People who bad mouth him and the ISRA don't have a clue. There are only 4 full time lobbyists for the ISRA. They spend all day everyday in Springfield when they are in session. He said sometimes they don't leave untill 10:00 at night. I won't get into specific tactics, but these "OLD GUYS" are wayyyyyy more savy than you think. The reason the higher ups are older is because us younger guys aren't retired. They have the time to go and fight for us. The antis have millions of dollars thrown their way and that is all they have. They typically have 35 lobbysts who come down from Chicago to spout their agenda. We have 1500 Illinois citizens show up. The politicians know the difference. As far as "Assault Weapons", he spoke a lot about this. They are VERY concerned over this. They are the only reason we still have them. The ISRA is respected in Springfield and have many contacts working behind the scenes. Don't buy into the hype and group think. |
I too have met Mr. Pearson a number of times (not for a while though). He is a VERY intelligent, dedicated, and savvy man. Anyone who underestimates or insults him is . . . not wise.  Edit: Same goes for Todd Vandermyde, whom I've also met, though not as many times. We are very fortunate to have a number of highly dedicated and tireless individuals working on our behalf. Those who wish to criticize really need to list your accomplishments regarding the RKBA. *My job here forces me to be nice. |
Tell Pearson I feel that way too while you are at it. His time is long passed. The word irrelevant never better described a human being or an orginization. This hometown forumn on this website is more organized than ISRA. |
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It took a sec to see that you were putting your words in the Beekeepers "quotes". An oversight I'm sure. Too bad you won't give ISRA a pass on any of their blunders. The Beekeeper was asking for an ISRA detractor to talk about what they have done. How could you pass up mentioning the "form letter" campaign that is currently creating buzz in the firearms community. ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=23&t=259334 Also to remind, that the Semi Auto ban has not failed to pass as you noted. It has not been voted on. But you reserve giving credit to ISRA in advance even if it does not pass. Not to look to far into the future but ...whom would you give the credit to? The 5 or 6 guys here who keep saying they'll move to another state but saddly, never do? I know what they should get...20% off from Mayflower. If SB16 fails it will be because of us. We showed up ( not just at lobby day). Heavy letter writing and phone calling campaigns happened ( and are needed still ). ISRA is helping us get coordinated like never before. Email alerts are outstanding in timing and content. Valinda Rowe is a star at the ISRA. I'm with the beekeeper. To those who think it makes them rugged to slag on the ISRA and say it does nothing, get ready to brag about what you did. JR |
Wow. You must be the new guy that I upset that has to answer back everything I post on. If you want to sip the kool aid along with the rest of the firearms community, have at it. ISRA has caused essentially nothing but blunders from their stupidity over the name rights to handgun control inc. where they shelled out 100k in MEMBERSHIP FEES and DONATIONS to an anti gun rights special interest group to no CCW, we have lost class 3 privledges, handgun concealed carry has gone from a misdemeanor to a felony, we lost the Lake County gunshow, which was by and large a nationally respected show, to the FOID act to the Cook County bans. What you and the Beekeeeper don't understand is that all that has happened under ISRA's tenure is the absolute loss and setback of gunrights. In the last half century, we have had our asses handed to us by the gun grabbers. Please do tell me at what point has ISRA stepped in and stopped the bleeding? We have no public land to shoot on, almost no hunting land up north and a range located in Kankakee that we can't shoot on. I have no doubt you agree with Beekeeper, he has a Moderator title which means 96% of us will agree with everything he says. The Beekeeper already doesn't like me because I challenge his authority. I won't do that again because he will have the site owner scold me when I question him. I have nothing against you, ISRA or Beekeeper. I am sure you are all nice people. But I do disagree with you. If you are waiting for ISRA or Pearson to rescue our sinking ship, we will drown. I would go so far as to say if an AW ban does come to fruition, it will have language in it that specifically makes Garands for anyone who takes Garlique exempt. |
The ISRA is still calling for action on the .50 ban. Do you really think that ISRA has the power to stop this ban and then will decide not to? I don't think you understand the political situation very well. Its nice to hear from a lot of like minded people at these types of forums, but we are absolutely not in the majority. The vast majority of people want AWB's and .50 bans. Sure, this is partly because the public is extremely ignorant about the issue, but it is still true. We are trying to convince legislators thatthese laws are a violation of our rights, that people who pay attention and vote don't want these laws, and that these laws could cost them their job. Look at the Zumbo fiasco and the response by nearly every hunting writer being on his side. March 29, 2007 - Report From Springfield Tonight the Illinois Senate moved SB1471 to 3rd reading. This is scheduled to tomorrow. That does not mean it will be called, just that it could be called. If SB1471 is not called tomorrow we will not see the bill until April 17 or after because Easter break starts after session tomorrow. Please make a call to your Senator tomorrow, starting at 8:30 am, urging him or her to vote against SB 1471 if it is called. Remember to be polite to the Senator's secretary, after all she is only the messenger. The House adjourned for Easter break today. I will keep you informed. Richard A. Pearson |
This must be some new anti ISRA "in joke" and a great example of Bizzaro Zumbo thinking. Holding on to those resentments of the ISRA Past are not doing you much good. I just wanted to make sure you had a chance to toot your own horn but somehow you come up with this new twist. So it's no longer the "duck hunters" in the ISRA that are the problem but the the highpower guys?? ( just trying figure out your logic) If your prediction is correct that means that in your mind Pearson himself has sold you down the river in a backroom deal to save his M1. To hear you predict it, you would have people think he was planning it the whole time. I dont think the Garlique is gonna help you. JR |
So, in your mind, eswanson, who is actively working on a lawsuit on behalf of our state and against crooked anti-gun politicians in the "Big Shitty" should take time out from his hard work and giving and tell the folks who organized and fund this lawsuit that they (Moran included?) are a bunch of irrelevant fudds? Moreover, you claim that this websites HTF is better organized than ISRA? Arrogant, and laughable. I also think it's a slap in eswansons face. But, I'm always interested that respect is shown to people who help me out... |
So, current ISRA leadership should be held to account for every failure in the last 50 years? That is assinine. They have definitely made numerous mistakes, but, somehow, I truly doubt that you were around to stear them clear of these stupid mistakes. Like the ICHV thing? Are you saying to this board that you would not take the domain/legal name of a formerly effective, now defunct anti rights group in order to state that they were now pro-civil rights? Also, Vandermyde was involved in that one since he was the new spokesman for IHCV, Patriot, and the ISRA insurers said they would take care of the bill if Vandermyde stayed out of the inner circle. ISRA chose to keep Vandermyde, thankfully, and payed out of pocket. It was a joke, it backfired, and was no different in my mind from "the Gun Guys" website. The law felt different. Let it go. The FOID ACT? that was 1968. Do you know who the ISRA leadership was then? I don't. Is Pearson or Moran, or Vandermyde responsible? Who knows what happened. ClassIII? When was that denied us? While I think that this needs to be adressed, I'm sure you are doing so through the NFAOA's Illinois contingent. For now, I will keep worrying about my semi-auto rifle and my Browning Hi-Power and work on 720 ILCS 5/24 of 1961 (was Pearson around then?) later. YMMV. Of course, laying blame can be fun, and is always easy. In terms of the Lake County Show/"loophole" mess, that was a monumental fuck-up. But, Patriot, there is alot more to that story than you mentioned, and while ISRA was short-sighted and thought the bill would tank, they were actually trying to eliminate the illegal registration scheme that exists in Illinois allowing ISP, who you love so much, to keep tabs on every arm you own. So, before you say ISRA is stupid, what are you doing to eliminate either the records, or the loophole provision? -By the way, I %150 respect your attempt to get the ISP cut out of the loop in terms of acquiring arms. Yet, that does not address these provisions in any way. Why do you believe that ISRA would have any control over what happens in the Cook County board? I assume you are smart enough to know that we have very few friends there, right? That is not ISRA's fault. People vote for their welfare there, not their civil rights. In terms of hunting land, I don;t know. I am probably the only person here who has never been hunting. But, what are you doing about it right now? Public land to shoot on? I don't understand. Are you saying that it is the government's job to provide us with a place to shoot? Find a friend with a farm. Go pay 15 dollars at a range. Or, organize a group that will purchase land for shooting. You are doing that right now, right? In terms of your opinion that 96% of this board agree's with BeeKeeper because of the authority he holds which you constantly "challenge", that is simply an assinine statement. Regardless, let me thank you for standing up against BeeKeepers malevolent oversite of this board. You take the "scolding" that I am afraid of because I am a brainless, fearful automaton and, like 96% of the other folks who post here, I will acquiesce to his every whim and opinion. See, BeeKeeper! I posted this response to Patriot just like you commanded me to! Can I be a moderator now like you promised? |
Clearly, you are an enormous fan of ISRA and an apologist on their behalf. You are correct that I cannot hold current ISRA leadership accountable for 50 years of blunders. However, what is to make me believe that ISRA is now, somehow an effective orginazation that will not continue with the SAME types of blunders. Nothing, that is what. I, as much as everyone else here do truely hope an aw ban is never to pass in Illinois. I am however quick enough to grasp the fact that whether a ban is passed or whether a ban is not passed, it will have nothing to do with ISRA. I am unaware of a lawsuit eswanson is waging against the gun control movement so I won't comment on it but I don't need him to take time out of his busy schedule to do anything on my behalf, that is ceratin. No offense eswanson, I am sure you are a good guy. On another note, you seem like a pretty sharp guy, is it really that much of a stretch to generalize gunowners into a pod of folks who blindly follow authority? I don't really think it is. American gunowners, myself included have been obeying every stupid little rule they set out for us for the last 70 years. We, are a profit and probable cause machine. Sort of like the drug war. Legislators get to justify their existence by writing legislation and getting it signed into law and then the police get to chase us around and lock us up for not having your rifle in a case in your trunk. It's a nice, neat little economy that employs countless legislators, judges, police officers, court clerks, it's endless. We all follow the rules to the letter. That's what makes us great, and that's what makes us lame. It is infact, the irony of modern American life. The greatest society in the history of humanity, founded upon ideals of dissent and revolution has become a dumbed down well behaved society of yes men in comfortable shoes. |
I couldn't agree more. |
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ISRA Press Release: Illinois State Rifle Association Takes Action Against Cook County Gun Ban CHICAGO, Feb. 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following was released today by the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA): The ISRA announced today that it is seeking injunctive relief against a gun ban recently enacted by the Cook County Board. In filing its complaint with the Cook County Circuit Court, the ISRA is asserting that compliance with the vaguely-worded ordinance would be impossible for most citizens of Cook County and, further, the method by which the ban was passed violated the Illinois Open Meetings Act. On November 14, 2006, the Cook County Board passed an amendment to the existing Cook County Deadly Weapons Dealers Control Ordinance which seeks to ban the sale, possession and transfer of a variety of popular hunting and sporting firearms. The amendment, authored by Commissioner Larry Suffredin, had been tabled in July of 2005 by the Board. "In light of the circumstances under which this amendment was passed, the ISRA felt it was important that action be taken to halt its implementation," said ISRA Executive Director, Richard Pearson. "We are disappointed that the Cook County Board chose to pass this ordinance without benefit of public debate -- especially when its provisions impact such a large number of Cook County residents. In addition to the questionable procedures under which it was passed, the ordinance is so poorly worded that few, if any, firearm owners in the county would be certain that they were in compliance with its requirements." "We are confident that the Cook County Circuit Court will recognize the shortcomings of this ordinance and grant the firearm owners of Cook County an injunction against its implementation," continued Pearson. "The ISRA and the firearm owners of Cook County are second to none in their desire to eradicate violent crime. However, we do not believe that law abiding firearm owners should take it on the chin in the process. The ISRA and its members stand ready to provide advice and guidance to the Cook County Board in the development of meaningful legislation that will fight violent crime while preserving the rights of law-abiding citizens who choose to own firearms." The ISRA is the state's leading advocate of safe, lawful, and responsible firearms ownership. Since 1903, the ISRA has represented the interests of over 1.5 million law-abiding Illinois firearm owners. This press release is posted on US Newswire. Posted Wed Feb 21 15:51:55 CST 2007 Case updates can be followed on the Cook County Clerk of circuit court site: https://w3.courtlink.lexisnexis.com/cookcounty/Finddock.asp?DocketKey=CAAH0CH0AEIEI0CH |
Obviously you know as little about me as you do the ISRA. Please post the details of this incident where I "ran and told my boss" so he could "pick up the fight for me." Please post a link. You made the accusation, now back it up. Kroagnon, same for you--we are not allowed to delete posts. We will remove them on occasion via edit if they violate the Conduct Code, but that is IT. My point is simply this: If you gentlemen would put half the effort into the RKBA fight you spend tearing down others and their efforts we would maybe have a prayer of winning this. You post falsehoods and half truths in an effort to cover the fact you are just too damned cheap to pay the few bucks to join the organizations. I've been active for years in this and I've seen your kind many times. You would look much better if you just bypassed threads of this type rather than crapping them up with your drivel. |
I don't quite remember which thread it was where you ran and got I believe 82ndairborne or something like that to come in and fix the problem when you couldn't. I have been involved in this fight my entire life as I was raised in it. I have made several trips to Springfiewld and I cannot tell you how many calls and emails I have sent. You have seen our kind many times huh? The kind that questions the incompetant authority we see around us? Who would I look better to if I passed by your threads and didn't comment on them? You? Perhaps you can explain to me when I began caring what I looked ike to you? There are reasons people are disenchanted with ISRA, excuse us for questiong the gtreatness of King Pearson and yourself. Excuse us if we question the actions of organazations we donate money too. |
Well, you could try reading for a start - maybe my first post in this thread where I said the ISRA was funding the suit. I guess that's where the "$" you like to put in ISRA is going - to fight a gun ban. I really don't give a shit what some folks in this thread want to believe - it seems that the ISRA's detractors here, most of them at least, are motivated by what they "think" or "want to believe" rather than reality. I happen to know a bit more about what's going on with the Cook County lawsuit - since my name is on it as one of the counsel of record - and with what the ISRA is doing in Springfield now through my frequent conversations with Don Moran. Believe me when I say that if the current batch of gun ban legislation does down to defeat, there will be only one organization that's responsible for it, and that's the ISRA. Not that that will stop the ill-informed bitching and moaning, of course. |
Uh-huh, you "don't quite remember"--yet that doesn't dissuade you from spouting off with incorrect information. Your "facts" in this are as wrong as your "facts" regarding the ISRA. You might want to check the hierarchy of this place--located at the bottom of every page ("About Us"). I have never contacted anyone to fight my battles. |
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Hey all you ISRA suppoerters, don't forget this... Fun-raiser dinner |
 TBK1, your boss 82ndab is calling you! I hear Chuck is a tyrant!!!!!! oh, this is too funny! I'm in before you are all accused of being baby boomers! It is so easy to criticize and much harder to get involved and help. Keep blaming others, while we fight the good fight. It is great if you write letters, but if we all stand together, we make a better statement! Tell me about what real men would do... Keep talking about what you did in the past... Tell me about your plans to leave Illinois... If you do not want to stay and fight, get the hell out of the way! I am tired of fighting, but I am not done yet!  |
eswanson... Thank you for taking the fight to the enemy!  Keep us updated on the progress off the law suit! We need more people like you that are willing ti fight this crap! Thanks!!!
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