Posted: 4/18/2006 8:44:51 PM EDT
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Time to drop off some $35 paper weights and use the $100 to buy more ammo... LOL http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/newsroom/chi-060418dream,1,4240498.storyChicago Trib Article Gun exchange dreams of saving lives By Josh Noel Tribune staff reporter Published April 18, 2006, 9:03 PM CDT If the recent shooting deaths of two girls don't help get guns off the streets, maybe dollar signs will, officials said Tuesday at the unveiling of a gun exchange program. Joined by the mother of one of those slain girls, a group of police, clergy and business leaders said Tuesday that anyone who gives up a gun at one of 23 churches on April 29 will be given a $100 debit card, no questions asked. In a program called "Don't Kill a Dream, Save a Life," police hope to get at least 500 guns, which would be destroyed. "We want everyone to get morally behind it," said Rev. Michael Pfleger of St. Sabina Catholic Church on the South Side. "For people who need a little extra incentive, $100 is a nice incentive." In the only previous gun exchange involving the Chicago Police Department, over three days in 1994, about 1,100 people swapped guns for $100 shoe store gift certificates. Among the weapons was a Colt .45 single-action revolver used by cavalry troops in the late 1800s—a curiosity, valued at about $7,000, that shows why gun exchanges rarely make the intended dent, said Jon Vernick, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. "They're very popular interventions, but there isn't good evidence that they reduce rates of gun violence," said Vernick, who co-authored a 1998 study about such programs. The problem, he said, is that the high-risk guns—newer semi-automatic weapons—tend not to come off the streets, and the people most likely to use them rarely turn them in. "I can understand, though, why communities consider these things, especially with the difficulty at the federal level and sometimes at the state level of enacting meaningful gun policy," Vernick said. At a news conference in the basement of Greater Salem Baptist Church, 215 W. 71st St., Pfleger lamented politicians not passing laws to "ban guns and get guns out of the community." "We don't have to wait for Washington, and we don't have to wait for Springfield," he said. "We run our own communities." Between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. April 29, guns can be brought to the 23 churches, located mostly on the South Side. A list of the churches is available by calling 311, police said. Many churches hold annual gun exchanges, but this is the first to unite several at once and to be joined by police. The effort will include WGCI and V103, radio stations with large numbers of urban listeners, broadcasting live from two of the churches. "There's so much black-on-black crime in Chicago," said Elroy Smith, program director of the stations. "We need to stand up and support the community." Siretha Woods, whose daughter was killed last month by stray gunfire, also called on guns to be relinquished. Siretha White, 10, was struck by a stray bullet at her surprise birthday party in an Englewood home. Police have said the intended target was someone standing on the porch. "I got 11 more kids," Woods said. "Let's let the rest of them grow up." [email protected] |
Not quite the victim of circumstance the media would lead you to believe. Granted it was an innocent child. She wasn't in a gang. Yet. But the guns aren't the problem. Hang around the shitstorm and what happens? |
| anybody gonna give me a gun??? i could use a 100 dollars.....hehe i'll turn around and go straight to the gun shop for some shit or go get some ammo w/ it....but i don't have any guns i feel like giving up......actually though do they take bb guns and pellet guns??? i've got lots of those!!! hmmmm i got an idea lol |
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I was waiting for someone to post this. This is One of the DUMBEST ideas!!! Lets see, get $100 for the gun, no questions asked, no names taken. What a great way to get rid of a weapon used in a crime AND get PAID. "Oh boy, I'm sweatin' it, did that drive by on that house, oh sweet, I can get rid of the evidence and make 100 bones". What will they think of next. New Chicago plan to "solve" old crimes. If you committed a crime, next Tuesday will be "Amnesty Day", just come in, tell us the date and time and typ of crime you did, we will show it as closed, and because of your truthfulness, all charges dropped". But hey, it would show Chicago 'solves' all of their crime 
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Well they did win the big award back in 03, way to go Chi-town! |
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state police issued FOID card ? better yet where is the ATF must have missed the part if your a revend with a church , no wait period - no FOID needed- no need to report stolen guns - or keep records of transaction - and destruction of evidence ?? yep - im going to open my own church |
Isn't that the bitch of it all? Getting paid $100 to dispose of the murder weapon. I wonder how many murderers have walked free because of this BS. They should bring all those guns to lake County, I'll take 'em! 
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Finally someone figured it out. Who's doing the killing, who their killing and where they are doing the killing. It ain't where you and I live. It ain't our friends or family doing it. |
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I would be cool to video tape all the thugs turning them in , then post the pic's on the BATFE web site. How about asking if they have a foid , and hand cuff them too. Citizens arrest? I dont fell like getting ventalated though. I'm pretty sure I would be popped if I took a EBR to a church in Crook Co . and then changed my mind and tried to leave. Oh , the Fucking Irony. Legal gun owner, then Wham Bam , Felon. 
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how about some of those 15$ Marksman 1010 bb pistols ? they are black and evil looking , and could put out an eye ! and we could make 85$ per what about Daley/Blago closeing the gun show loop hole ?? sure sounds like a gun show to me - buy n sell guns , date n time advertised by the Trib no less, and live entertainment from WGCI and 103 , even a 7000$ collectible |
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The of course the City is fools to believe the $100 will go towards future lawful purposes. It will be used to buy drugs, etc. most of the time. It will be the same as LINK Card froaud. The gangbangers with surplus guns, but that don't want ot be around the Po-lice with coerce private citizens to turn the guns in. If you get one banger with 5 guns, that MIGHT actually look funny, soooo, Mr. Banger will have private citizen in his hood do it, then give him 5 bucks and take the debit card. "Lets see, get rid of my Jennings, my Hi-Point and my old junky Sat Night Special, now I have enough to buy that AK I've had my eye on from down the block." The City is IDIOTS to believe that they won't be funding illigal activity with this.
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Not to mention that some people who might try hard to get these guns and sell them back on the streets. |
It's all political feel good BS. |
And if it doesnt, just wait till the next Chicago buyback to dump all the junk guns......we may be on to something. 
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Well, if I do this, I'll be using the funds for a lawful, constitutional purpose The whole thing seems pretty worthless - but it's a great chance to get rid of some paperweights. Mike |
Right, because white people don't kill people. 
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Tim, preach your bullshit elsewhere. When you grow up and live in the real world let me know. Do some statistical research my friend. To answer your question, no white people are not driving around the City of Chicago spraying down teenagers with bullets. I am not saying white people don't kill people, of course they do. But the inner city crime problem, the gang problem and the problems that lead to hysterical soccer moms and Edward Avecedo banning "assault weapons" is due to black mostly and then hispanic crime and violence. To say otherwise, you are no different than the politically correct lie through their teeth media. Where I live it is 85% white, the rest Hispanic and there is almost zero violent crime. In Englewood, where it is 100% black, it is a war zone. There is a huge difference between racism and reality, so don't go there. For dozens of years, the black community has had no accountability for their actions by the media and the liberal public at large becuase of slavery and the civil rights movement. That has to change. Black leaders such as Bill Cosby have said the exact same thing. Tim, the vast majority of violent inner city crime is committed by blacks, pure and simple. You live in a very "Come one people now, smile on your brother" mentality. I agree with many of your political notions, but several of your ideas are that of a kid that was brought up in the 1990's politically correct "Anita Hill pubic hair fiasco" movement. You don't need to contradict every non politically correct statement I make with idealistic bullshit that will never come to fruition. All races of people are shit in their own way, no human is superior to another. But the fact remains that the vast majority of inner city violent crime is committed by young black males. Prison populations will concur my statements. Like they say Tim, if you aren't a Liberal at 20, you don't have a heart. If you're still a Liberal at 30, you don't have a brain. I don't like many people Tim, but I like you, please don't change that. |
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I was wondering how cool it would be if a large police agency that needed to destroy, say, several hundred old Piece o' crap guns to purge their property rooms, would show up there, turn them in and collect a few grand worth of gift cards... it would be classic. Tim, Tim, Tim... What shall we do with thee? Skin color has nothing to do to influence criminal behavior. Environment has everything to do with it. When one finds himself in an environment where violence is perpetuated, it is only natural to follow suit. I suggest reading some Booker T Washington. Here are some quotes: "Think about it: We went into slavery pagans; we came out Christians. We went into slavery pieces of property; we came out American citizens. We went into slavery with chains clanking about our wrists; we came out with the American ballot in our hands...Notwithstanding the cruelty and moral wrong of slavery, we are in a stronger and more hopeful condition, materially, intellectually, morally, and religiously, than is true of an equal number of black people in any other portion of the globe." o Booker T. Washington, from Up From Slavery "I will let no man drag me down so low as to make me hate him." o Booker T. Washington "There is another class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs -- partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs." o Booker T. Washington |
Our founding fathers were "liberal", you just like to conveniently use the word to make me look wrong. Maybe you should research what the word really meant until the socialists hijacked it around 1940 in this country. Start by googling, "Classical liberalism." The word "Liberal" had an entirely different meaning to Churchill when he made that statement, as it means something entirely different worldwide than it does here in the US. That was a blatently racist statement that you made, entirely un-called for. Black people commit 5 times as much crime as any other race, ethnic group, or generally, any other "Group" of people that you can seperate criminals by....but the majority are not criminals, and to generalize about any person on the basis of skin color is foolish at the very least. Last week it was gays, this week it's blacks, and next week, it might be me. This kind of logic/thinking is ruining this country just as fast as the socialism that has been running rampant since FDR's term. If you cannot see that, you're living in an ideological dream world just as you suggest that I am. 150 years ago, the ownership of another human being was perfectly acceptable. 87 years ago, the idea that a WOMAN would cast a vote was completely absurd to some people. And, yep, 40 years ago, the idea that, "Colored" people would drink from the same drinking fountain as, "White" people was "radical" as well. Sooner or later, this thinking has just got to stop. Regardless of polls and studies based on skin color, generalizing about any group when the MAJORITY of individuals from EVERY group are NOT criminals can never be right. By your logic, since gun control doesn't work, nor any of our other laws to keep the, "Negro" race from killing each other, we should just ban being black. Anyone that's black, we'll just round them up and shoot them in the back of the head. I'm sure that'll solve the problem, right? People killed each other long before different races, ethnic groups, and even people from different localities ever lived close to each other. Hell animals kill each other and they all look the same. To generalize about anyone on the basis of their skin color (which is all race is, it has nothing to do with nationality, ethnicity, or anything else, simply the color of your skin) is just as foolish as if to think that if you ban law abiding citizens from owning firearms, that we'd have shootouts at the OK Coral on a daily basis. I really hope to God that we can learn to solve these problems without this racist political correct BS going on forever, but I doubt that even before I die, these habits of generalizing about a racial group will ever go away.
Man, you hit the nail on the head. Can you say, "Jesse Jackson"? |
You are simply taking things too far. This isn't about race, this isn't about skin color. This is about the fact that many black neighborhoods are riddled with crime and the fact that often if not always bad black people are held to no accountable standards because of political correctness. That obviously does not mean most black people are criminals, because they are not. It just means what it means. The ghetto is a dangerous place Tim. many people are stuck there by circumstance, many choose to dwell there endlessly. Don't accuse me of racism because I don't neatly fit into the politically correct effort. I am a white male. I do indeed drive a pickup, I do indeed listen to Country Music, I do own guns, I like women and I drink beer out of cans and I like Jesus. So if that ain't a stereotype I don't know what is. I am ok with that. I am ok with the reality that I can't dance and that I can't dunk a basketball and that if I ran a marathon against a dude from Kenya, I'd lose. I just live in reality. When I was a kid I dreamt of being lots and lots of things and as reality and life sets in, each one of those dreams were stripped away until I became the man I am today. And I'm ok with that. And for the record.......I think ALL our troubles began when women were allowed to vote
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Murders have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with poverty. The racialization of social classes in America has occured over the past 50 years, and now in most areas whites make up a large portion of middle and upper classes, with minoritys making up a large part of lower and some middle classes in America. Its not fair to say black people do the killing in America, but it is fair to say that poor people do most of the killing in this country, and those poor people just happen to be of a certain skin color. Its all socail class and not race. (BTW: Patriot, are you saying I have no heart?)
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I disagree COMPLETELY. Ask your grandparents how much money they had during the Depression--they were POOR. There weren't gang wars going on then, though. Compare that to the refugees in NOLA. That really irritated me; the media kept pointing to them saying "They lost everything." BS! The people who lost everything got their stuff into one vehicle and left. Behind them was essentially everything they had ever worked for. The Superdomers were overwhelmingly poor and--guess what--their welfare checks didn't stop. They were relocated at our expense, into more housing that is more than likely government subsidized. These people are poor by today's standards, and what did they lose? The home they didn't pay for? While I would guess that poverty strongly correlates with violence, I don't think it's causative. If it is, do you mean to tell me that all we have to do is to provide a comfortable living to the poor, and the violence will end? I would venture to say that poor people tend to make decisions that trap them in a vicious cycle that's difficult to break, namely: 1. They are raised in single parent households. Violence and crime correlate well with households where there is no father. 2. They are uneducated. Frankly, this is a zero sympathy point for me. All you have to do to graduate high school is SHOW UP. If you can't do that, be poor. It's your life. 3. Poor young women have too many kids. This is from being uneducated, coupled with a government subsidy program that rewards this behavior "for the children." 4. They live in bad neighborhoods, where crime thrives and is rewarded with reputation and easy money. In short, it has to do with the way poor kids are raised. The environment creates a strong incentive for social failure, and little incentive to excel and leave that life behind. Poor neighborhoods are WHERE it happens, and poor people are WHO it happens to, but being poor isn't the reason WHY. Freakonomics is well worth a read, especially for the chapter on why crack dealers live at home. His logic on gun control really falls on its ass, but otherwise, it's pretty interesting, even if you don't agree with the conclusions. |
That is absolute bullshit. |
Your statement is bullshit but that once again of a kid. Give it ten or fifteen years and see how well the rose colored lenses work then. |
This one sentence speaks volumes... amazing it was left out of the original "assault weapons hoopla" fostered by the mainstream media, hmm? 
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I think about 90% of what you post is bullshit, so I guess we're even. (BTW: you could have elaborated some istead of just calling BS, reason to change my opinion would gain you my respect, just insulting me just irritates me) Patriot: Ok, Ill let ya know how I feel when Im 30. Im an open minded guy and I posted how I feel. If people disagree with that and try to convince me otherwise with logic thats great too. Im open different ideas. - Take care. |
Good God, what even started this rant? Tim, you're reading into things wayyyyy too far. Give it a rest bud, try some decaf. Seriously, its getting old. Also....mw, poverty is relative. Kalahnikid brings up a sound argument. |
I seem to remember some gang wars that happened in our very own Chicago.... Gang wars that made such an impression upon the world that mentioning "Chicago" to anyone around tended to result in people doing tommy-gun impressions. Hell the NFA is from what, 1934? there's a reason and it's because back then it was the Irish, Italian and other immigrant groups doing the drive-bys, fighting for control of various illegal activities. Interesting Dillinger Timeline I tend to think that Kalishnikid is on the right track. That's not to say that personal responsibility gets tossed out the window, but we are all molded by our environment to some extent and Englewood is a shitty environment for anyone to grow up in. I know I would probably be a very different person had I been raised there. |
There have been extensive studies on this subject and it has been discussed here before. Poor blacks commit approximately 5x as much crime as poor whites or poor hispanics. It's not about poverty. Poor people in general do commit more crime overall, but the proportion of crime to each race group, genearlly speaking, does not change by income level. |
Are you comparing the Italian Mafia to the modern day black thugs of Chicago? That's disgraceful and a million and a half miles away from anything that resembles truth. Although only movies..... Watch the Godfather then watch Boyz in Da Hood or Menace To Society. Tell me if you see a difference. This poor me I live in the ghetto bullshit is old. Not all black people are bad, of course but from Liberia to Englewood the Kalashnikov fire does not cease. Wake the hell up guys. |
Blacks in general commit overwhemigly more crime that any other ethnic group regardless of their income level. It just so happens that the vast majority of blacks are poor. What other group of people has been literally given almost everything for free, yet still continue to refrain from evolving? Look at the muti million dollar rappers that shoot each other. Money doesn't stop that does it? When 95% of your leadership fuels anger and hatred (blacks undoubetdly being the most racist group of Americans) When 95% of your leadership makes excuses for your actions, like blaming guns not shooters for drive by shootings, and when this goes on for 50 years, you will end up with modern black America. My comments are unpopular, I don't care. I would NEVER not befriend a man because of his skin color, that would be selling myself short. But I refuse to live in the world of make believe that Babyboomers have created for us. |
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Maybe it's both. I believe there is a substantial link between poverty and crime. Not all poor are criminals, but more criminals come from poor backgrounds. Also economic downturns (recessions --> unemployment) on a macro scale, and economic frustrations on a micro scale (inability to find gainful employment) cause increases in property crime across the board. But likely also there are OTHER environmental causative factors. e.g. a lack of stable families and father figures which are statistically more prevalent in African-American populations than other populations (even compared to other minority populations -- e.g. Hispanics). Also, very lacking inner city schools and consequent failure to have a worthwile educational track for the inhabitants of that community. I don't think any one factor is wholly determinative of a life of crime. Its a mish mosh that when boiled correctly leads to a decision to assume the risk of jail in face of greater perceived rewards from that crime vis-a-vis anything they would stand to earn from honest employment if they were able to secure it. |
So what IS the huge difference between the gangsters of yesteryear and today? I'm interested in hearing your explaination...  To my mind, they're one in the same. If Capone & company were around today, they would be doing exactly what the "gangsta's" of today are doing. |
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