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Posted: 3/7/2006 8:48:59 AM EDT
www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0603070241mar07,1,951921.story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
Interesting how the article in the RedEye (abridged) is decidedly more anti-gun than as shown on the Tribune's website (and presumably in the Tribune itself). The RedEye article stopped after the sentance: " 'I would hope this situation would bring attention to the fact we do have a problem,' said Rep. Edward Acevedo (D-Chicago). Unfortunately, a life was lost ... a 14-year-old girl's life was taken away." and the RedEye article did not go on to quote the NRA counterpoint. I feel for the family of the slain girl (as I would for every other gun -- or vehicular -- death), but do we really need to have this political propoganda put out by a supposedly reputable news source? Also, I want to know what kind of weapon this was. Is this another example of the media totally confusing what was actually used? |
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How do they know what type of weapon was used when neither the shooter(s) or the weapon have been recovered?
This irresponsible "journalism" pisses me off. It's blatant sensationalism. There should be some way to charge these people with editorial malpractice. |
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I really dont like Chicago!!!..........................they make me sick
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i freakin hate this shit.... just because "29" bullets were "sprayed" its automatically "highpower" and an "assault rifle" and was "converted to full auto"(give me a break) unless they recover the gun. they are a bunch of morons... could have been a mini-14 or even one of those pump action .223s that accept ar mags for all they know
ummm yeah i'm not buyin it... |
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The journalists who report these incidents have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to firearms. For example, yesterday's Tribune reported that "high caliber" brass was recovered at the scene, possibly indicating that an "assault weapon" had been used. The (obviously errant) words "high caliber" led me to believe it was probably a bolt action hunting rifle. How he concluded that the brass came from an "assault weapon", I have no idea. And neither does he. But he didn't miss the opportunity to claim that it possibly indicated that an "assault weapon" was the culprit.
Today's stories are also interesting...first because of the speculation that an "assault weapon" was used, and secondly that IN THE SAME ARTICLE, the reporter speculates (again) that the weapon had been converted to full auto. Well, if it was converted to full auto, it's not an "assault weapon" as defined by the state. It's an automatic weapon (and already illegal, but don't bother them with the details). No wonder the soccer moms in this state are so anti-gun. Not only are they uninformed...they're misinformed by a biased press. I don't know whether the reporters are really that stupid and reckless, or if it's simply an intentional effort to mislead. Either way, the Tribune has a really lousy editing staff. |
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Actually the editing staff are doing exactly what the higher ups running the company want them to do. Obfuscate the truth and dupe the masses into equating anything relating to guns to evil. ETA: www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895261146/sr=8-1/qid=1141770447/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-7106576-9496715?%5Fencoding=UTF8 |
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"The gunman who killed Starkesia Reed last week as she stood near a living-room window used a high-powered assault weapon that sprayed 29 rounds and hit seven other houses on the block, police said."
I'm not sure what a, "high-powered assault weapon" entails, but I do wish your journalists would learn to identify what they're talking about instead of making up phrases that sound catchy and mean nothing, just like that one. "Police also were searching for the short, high-caliber, pistol-gripped rifle they believe may have been converted to a fully automatic weapon, a law enforcement source said." There is absolutley nothing a lawful about the ownership of such a firearm in the city limits of Chicago. Even the entire county of Cook has its own "assault weapon" ban that covers anything with a detachable magazine and/or a pistol grip. No citizen may legally own or posess a fully automatic firearm in the state of Illinois. This article makes numerous mentions that the statewide ban attempt has been totally ineffective, but fails to mention that a local ban already exists making these firearms illegal. "Reed's slaying is the sort of tragedy that gun-control advocates argued should have kept a federal assault-weapons ban from expiring in 2004." Again, all pistol grip equipped rifles with box magazines are banned in Chicago already. Gun control advocates know this already. The federal ban would just make them criminals at three levels instead of two. The posession of a firearm like that is banned by both Chicago and Cook county already. "But there is little enthusiasm for such bans since the Bush administration let the federal law die on its 10-year anniversary, the advocates say." That's because it did nothing to reduce crime in the country at all, so says the center for disease control. "Last week in Springfield, Senate Majority Leader Emil Jones (D-Chicago) said a proposed assault-weapons banpending in in the legislature would likely fail this session because of a lack of support." Once again, no mention of the local ban. "The bill's sponsor said Reed's murder should convince lawmakers that the ban is still relevant." Once again, no mention that the local and county bans did nothing, only a call for more legislation on the state level. "I would hope this situation would bring attention to the fact we do have a problem," said Rep. Edward Acevedo (D-Chicago). "Unfortunately, a life was lost ... a 14-year-old girl's life was taken away." Absolutely right, we do have a problem. The problem is that the laws already on the books are not being followed. "Murders involving assault weapons are very uncommon, said gun-control advocate Jim Kessler, partly because the weapons are so powerful that firing them accurately is difficult." Completely false informatin here, pure propoganda. The reason so called, "Assault weapons" are uncommon in crimes is that they're not concealable on the person. "Despite the political debate about the weapons, most homicides in the U.S. are committed with handguns." That is true. Chicago banned ALL handguns more than 20 years ago unless they were grandfathered in. So, once again, we've dealt with this "problem" already a long time ago and the legislation has done nothing. "The federal ban, which prohibited the manufacture of guns with certain military-style features, was passed in the early 1990s when urban violence was soaring. But by the time the law expired because of a 10-year sunset clause, crime rates had dropped precipitously and few lawmakers wanted to spend political capital renewing the ban." Actually it expired and was not renewed because it was proven totally ineffective in preventing crime. "Opponents of gun-control laws say a ban on assault weapons would do nothing to stop gang members from acquiring and using such weapons." Which is proven by this murder happening in the first place. You're the editor of a very important newspaper in this city. We want the news, not your journalist's bias. I don't want to read this propoganda. Every day I open the paper and read this garbage. This must cease. I'm tired of the paper making every law abiding gun owner seem like a criminal. This nonsense is like a mental disease. It needs to stop. The editor of the paper is Ann Marie Lipinski. Her email address is [email protected] |
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Actually, if the brass was 7.62x39 or 5.56, it probably did come from a semi auto carbine. Perhaps even from a full auto carbine. However, I don't think the writer has the knowledge to know that. At least, his hysterical journalistic style wouldn't make me think he had the knowledge of firearms required to judge the source of recovered cases.
It very well could have come from high ranking police sources. They sometimes tend to get caught up in the Chicago anti-gun frenzy. |
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i find it amazing that every time an anti gun bill dosent pass something like this happens....
and no i dont ....wear tinfoil... |
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I've noticed the same thing myself. It's also always accompanied by all the typical "sky is falling" hysteria about "assault weapons". |
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And yet Chicago already has a ban on these weapons. How did this happen? You mean to tell me that criminals will still keep theirs...? Oh man.
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100 to 1 it wasn't legal in the first place. Their point is mute.
I'm just glad the gun-control legislation is working(NOT!) |
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Yep because gangbangers shoot at each other with "high powered assault weapons" in the ghetto, somehow by taking our rifles away from us (people who live in areas with almost zero crime) will make the world safer place.
What a convient time for Chicago to have such a crime with a "high powered rapid fire fully automatic semi automatic bullet spraying scary black machine gun rifle" They will rot in hell for these things. This is old Chicago politics at it's finest. hey, what's one more dead black kid in the ghetto when you are trying like hell to ban guns, take them away and create your socialist wet dream. Too bad the Chicago Propoganda Daily, uh, I mean the Tribune won't call the dirty pieces of shit out that staged this. Sad, but eventually, we all answer to Jesus. |
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Modern print media is simply a collection of lies. Believe nothing printed in the Sun Times, Daily Herald or Tribune. |
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The point to bring up is that these weapons are already banned in Cook County / Chicago, etc. and that the ban has done nothing to stop the violence.
It was also interesting to see the pro-gun-ban guy state the following: ]"Murders involving assault weapons are very uncommon, said gun-control advocate Jim Kessler, partly because the weapons are so powerful that firing them accurately is difficult. "If this starts to become the sort of thing that happens more often, that would really be tragic," Kesssler said. Despite the political debate about the weapons, most homicides in the U.S. are committed with handguns."[/red Call me naive but I don't think Daley needs his political operatives out killing little girls to boost his anti-gun agenda. I think that the existing gang rivalries will continue to take care of that for him. |
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I'm incredibly sad to hear of the loss and I have condolances for the family but the point I want to make is this, for some stupid reason the mainstream media refuses to accurately report gun crimes in regards to weapon used. That makes the law abiding gun users and owners among us look like asshats.
They just need to legalize all guns in Chicago and get CCW and all other weapons in the state. Everyone except the sheep will own a gun, and criminals won't have a law to break. You're going to get rid of the gun crimes in the city and state. Pipe Dream? While Daley and his Dumbocrat band of minions are still in office, yes. If this state can get a decent set of lawmakers that don't have their heads up their arses, well our problems are solved. Silascobb, I want to point out this, the RedEye is a young/urban sort of paper that focuses on the young liberal set. I wouldn't be expecting accuracy from them, but what can you expect with mainstream media? |
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I'm surprised nobody jumped on this comment. Again more nonsensical bullshit |
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Was there not a provisions about accessories not being allowed, such as a pistol grip, then amended to exclude the accessory from the bill? I know there was talk about if you couldn't hold the barrel while hot, then it was illegal to own. |
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True, I agree with that, nor do I expect accuracy for them. But I was surprised that the would print only the gungrabber part of the Trib article and omit the rest. I mean its one thing to have a biased article in any paper, its quite another to tailor your
Yeah, I saw that. Apparently then you cannot hit the far side of a barn with a .50 BMG from 20 feet away because "it is so powerful". Also, didn't you know that $300 .45 ACP guns outshoot AR-15s at 200 yards? [Tounge planted firmly in cheek]. BTW, Jim Kessler sounds like a . J/K Edit: to currect da spelin. |
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Well, now it's an AK.
www.chicagotribune.com/news/custom/newsroom/chi-060308reedshooting,1,2301000.story?coll=chi-news-hed |
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Well now the media spin is in full bloom. Seems like since our gov leaders did now renew the AWB these weapons are again "flooding our streets"
Damn. I never seem to get in on these deals. Everywhere I go all the evil weapons that are flooding the streets apparently are gone by the time I get there. www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0603100127mar10,0,731003.story?coll=chi-newsopinioncommentary-hed |
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That editorial is despicable.
One fact refutes his entire argument. Assault weapons ARE banned in Chicago and Cook County. That fact didn't seem to matter to the perp though. Criminals don't follow assault weapon bans. |
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True. |
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I sent him an email stating just that... Haven't heard back from him and I bet that I don't. |
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In reading over what I wrote, I was definitely not at my best... But I think it conveyed the point.
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Heard daley on the radio reinforcing the awb argument this A.M.
He never thinks about crime being outlawed, or gangs... Only firearms. Then we can all be criminals. Fuck him. |
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For them, the time is hot to inflame the populace against semi-automatic weapons that look like military weapons.
Daley is the voice to incite riots in the minds of the less informed. These two shootings could not have happen at a better time after the dead line of HB2414 came and expired. |
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Your screen name belies your skill with a pen. A commanding piece and the follow-up was equally thorough. You did not leave his "ignorance" anywhere to hide. Strong and rational, making great thoughtful points all along the way. I could almost believe that Mr. Safer ( if that is his real name) , if not smelling the coffee, can at least hear it dripping. I am down with you. JR |
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The Trib "forgot" to print the current bio of the Mr. Safer (the Op-ed writer ).
Here it is from his company's web page: " Ronald S. Safer leads the Schiff Hardin White Collar Criminal Defense Group and is particularly active in representing taxpayers in controversies with the government involving tax shelters ....He has successfully represented a Fortune 100 company as well as other companies and numerous individuals under investigation for financial frauds. ". |
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Every time I read your leters to Safer they get better. These are great talking points for disarming enraged soccer moms. And even better for using on fence sitters who are not yet on a side. JR |
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