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Posted: 1/6/2006 4:16:11 PM EDT
Ok, maybe I am dumb or something, but I only recently got into weapons. Once I decided I wanted a pistol, I was told that I needed to get a FOID card. So, I did. After waiting nearly two months, it showed up. I bought my pistol the next day. When I did this, they still called in my name to whoever they do for approval on the yellow form.

I thought the point of the FOID was two eliminate the background check? Since that's not the case, why do I need this thing?

And while I am at it - what's with this waiting period - 72 hours for the pistol and 24 for a rifle? What gives? Shouldn't someone with a valid FOID get to skip this silly process? I mean, they already did their little background check on me, right?

It's not a carry permit, which it cleary states.

Why do I need to carry this stupid thing when I go to pick up ammo?!?!?

I've been racking my brain for the last week or so trying to figure this one out.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 6:09:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -42-:
Ok, maybe I am dumb or something, but I only recently got into weapons. Once I decided I wanted a pistol, I was told that I needed to get a FOID card. So, I did. After waiting nearly two months, it showed up. I bought my pistol the next day. When I did this, they still called in my name to whoever they do for approval on the yellow form.

I thought the point of the FOID was two eliminate the background check? Since that's not the case, why do I need this thing?

And while I am at it - what's with this waiting period - 72 hours for the pistol and 24 for a rifle? What gives? Shouldn't someone with a valid FOID get to skip this silly process? I mean, they already did their little background check on me, right?

It's not a carry permit, which it cleary states.

Why do I need to carry this stupid thing when I go to pick up ammo?!?!?

I've been racking my brain for the last week or so trying to figure this one out.


All I can say is the FOID card is the product of Communism.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 6:53:31 PM EDT
The only point is to steal your liberty and $5 of your property.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 7:51:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -42-:
Ok, maybe I am dumb or something, but I only recently got into weapons.
I've been racking my brain for the last week or so trying to figure this one out.



Oh my god.

A rebel in our midst who will rail against the dreaded FOID. Disgusted by the hypocrisy of this new world. Finally ready to post his outrage for all the ARFers to see. These words must be heard. Like a fledgling songwriter he wonders why no one before him has thought of it. The voice of a generation.


Where the hell have you been...............Airsofting?


Welcome



Link Posted: 1/6/2006 8:31:33 PM EDT
CONTROL!!!!
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:16:39 PM EDT
I know.....


Sorry

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 9:55:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By racecar:

Originally Posted By -42-:
Ok, maybe I am dumb or something, but I only recently got into weapons.
I've been racking my brain for the last week or so trying to figure this one out.



Oh my god.

A rebel in our midst who will rail against the dreaded FOID. Disgusted by the hypocrisy of this new world. Finally ready to post his outrage for all the ARFers to see. These words must be heard. Like a fledgling songwriter he wonders why no one before him has thought of it. The voice of a generation.


Where the hell have you been...............Airsofting?


Welcome






Jeez dude

There is no logic behind it, just an act of control over gun owners. IMO, as you continue to shoot you will come across een more gun laws that make no sense at all. We just have to deal with it.

BTW: Welcome to arfcom and the Illinois forum!
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 1:50:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -42-:
Ok, maybe I am dumb or something, but I only recently got into weapons. Once I decided I wanted a pistol, I was told that I needed to get a FOID card. So, I did. After waiting nearly two months, it showed up. I bought my pistol the next day. When I did this, they still called in my name to whoever they do for approval on the yellow form.

I thought the point of the FOID was two eliminate the background check? Since that's not the case, why do I need this thing?

And while I am at it - what's with this waiting period - 72 hours for the pistol and 24 for a rifle? What gives? Shouldn't someone with a valid FOID get to skip this silly process? I mean, they already did their little background check on me, right?

It's not a carry permit, which it cleary states.

Why do I need to carry this stupid thing when I go to pick up ammo?!?!?

I've been racking my brain for the last week or so trying to figure this one out.



Repeat after me:

DEM-O-CRAT

(that's the reason behind it)
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:07:01 AM EDT
There's no reason to laws or lawmakers in this state. Don't waste your time trying to figure them out.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 11:19:10 AM EDT
Back in the late 1960's there simply wasn't enough loosed felony criminals in order to logically justify any continued gun owner controls. So as a result, a whole new category of criminal was created out of thin air by legislative fiat. That is, those gun owners who happen to choose to excercise their constitutional rights without benefit of the State Police FOI privilege to own firearms.

Make no mistake about it, owning a gun in Illinois is a privilege, not a right. Sad, but true. But bear in mind, nothwithstanding most of the people on this board, most Illinois residents and a majority of gun owners, including the ISRA, favor the Illinois FOI card bureaucratic institution. Why? Most will tell you something like this, "How are we going to know that we are not selling a gun to a felon or lunatic without that license?" Or, "Only a crook would own a gun without an FOI card." Well, Illinois politicians made sure of the fact you would be charged with a serious misdemeanor if you possessed a gun or ammo without their police license. They will make you a criminal of you if you own a gun without one.

Understandably, most people do not want to be paper criminals, so we get the FOI card. With a loss of rights our choices naturally become limited. But many want to please the State or to feel pleased by the State. So they egotistically wave their cards about in an effort to show that they are indeed good citizens because the State has licensed them as one. It's a badge of honor with many.

But it's a paper badge with a mugshot, at best. It's a corrupt, State run protection racket that enables you to avoid State Police prosecution by paying $5 up front and sending in your picture to have your private information and rights waived in Springfield. Guilty until proven innocent!

Besides, the Nazi FOI card system was instituted as a platform by which further gun controls can be implemented by politicians or board members in the future. Much like a parent towards a child, as long as you have to ask for permission or license to own or use ANYTHING, it is not a right, it is a privilege.

Gun owner control is much like the War on Drugs, in that certain individual behaviors and personal life choices that effect only you or the items that you keep in your closet are OK, as long as they are approved by the State. If it is not approved, then those in power will manufacture a criminal out of you instantly and run you through the costly criminal justice system. One vehicle for this, of course, is the FOI card. It grants unreasonable powers to the State while it bestows privileges and meted out gratuities to the lucky taxpayer. It is insidious and rotten at it's core. It is corruption in it's finest form.

Face it. It's all about power, money and governmental control. And there exists those citizens that are tickled pink at the notion that a higher authority are manipulating others, people they don't even know, because they happen to own items or maintain a particular lifestyle or habit that they themselves do not approve of. They are called authority worshippers, and they are an anathema to free peoples everywhere.

And........... now you know why we have the FOI card.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 11:38:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 11:40:07 AM EDT by pbrsailor]

Originally Posted By -42-:
Ok, maybe I am dumb or something, but I only recently got into weapons. Once I decided I wanted a pistol, I was told that I needed to get a FOID card. So, I did. After waiting nearly two months, it showed up. I bought my pistol the next day. When I did this, they still called in my name to whoever they do for approval on the yellow form.

I thought the point of the FOID was two eliminate the background check? Since that's not the case, why do I need this thing?

And while I am at it - what's with this waiting period - 72 hours for the pistol and 24 for a rifle? What gives? Shouldn't someone with a valid FOID get to skip this silly process? I mean, they already did their little background check on me, right?

It's not a carry permit, which it cleary states.

Why do I need to carry this stupid thing when I go to pick up ammo?!?!?

I've been racking my brain for the last week or so trying to figure this one out.




The FOID card is suppose to prevent felons, juvenile deliquents or mentally ill people from purchasing firearms or ammunition. Illinois was exempt from many provisions of the Brady Bill because the FOID was already in place. The FOID number is what the dealer provides to the FTIP Unit when you purchase a firearm. Federal Law requires a background check, which is what is conducted electronically through the FBI computer when a FTIP inquiry is conducted.

The system is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. If you apply for a new FOID or renew your FOID within two months either side of hunting season you will have to wait awhile for your FOID and 2 months is not out of the norm.

The waiting periods for firearms could be changed to be reasonable. Trade in a shotgun on a new shotgun, why wait? Trade in a handgun for a different model, what's the point in waiting. If you were going to cause anyone harm with a firearm, you already own the means to do them harm. If it is your first long gun or handgun purchase, the waiting period is not a bad idea.

In a perfect world, we could do away with the FOID card and waiting periods altogether. First, the justice system needs to sentence someone to a long prison term for selling say 2 pounds of marijuana or cocaine. 30 to 50 years sounds like a good start. Use a firearm in a robbery, mandatory life without parole sounds appropriate. Second, some unethical firearms dealers, the minute minority, need to rethink selling a firearm or ammunition to an obviously deranged or suicidal subject. It's happened solely because of profit and no concern for the firearms community, myself included.

Given the fact that the justice system has failed miserably to protect us, owning a firearm or three is not a bad idea. Hang onto whatever firearms you currently own and purchase what you think you might want or need in the years down the road, because Mayor Daley won't sleep until he disarms the taxpayers. I wish he would concern himself with Chicago and let us downstate people live in peace, but that is not his way.

Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:09:50 PM EDT
If you don't already know about it, check out www.jpfo.org and start learning.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 9:13:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 9:16:29 PM EDT by Tim84K10]

Originally Posted By pbrsailor:

The FOID card is suppose to prevent felons, juvenile deliquents or mentally ill people from purchasing firearms or ammunition. Illinois was exempt from many provisions of the Brady Bill because the FOID was already in place. The FOID number is what the dealer provides to the FTIP Unit when you purchase a firearm. Federal Law requires a background check, which is what is conducted electronically through the FBI computer when a FTIP inquiry is conducted.



All pointless reasons. In other states, they don't need a FOID to do a successful backround check.


The waiting periods for firearms could be changed to be reasonable. Trade in a shotgun on a new shotgun, why wait? Trade in a handgun for a different model, what's the point in waiting. If you were going to cause anyone harm with a firearm, you already own the means to do them harm.


They could be eliminated. Then they'd be reasonable. I'm licensed to carry in 28 states. There is absolutely no reason for me to wait when I buy another firearm.


If it is your first long gun or handgun purchase, the waiting period is not a bad idea.


Any loss of liberty is a bad idea as far as I'm concerned.


In a perfect world, we could do away with the FOID card and waiting periods altogether.


49 other states must be the perfect world you're referring to.


First, the justice system needs to sentence someone to a long prison term for selling say 2 pounds of marijuana or cocaine. 30 to 50 years sounds like a good start. Use a firearm in a robbery, mandatory life without parole sounds appropriate. Second, some unethical firearms dealers, the minute minority, need to rethink selling a firearm or ammunition to an obviously deranged or suicidal subject. It's happened solely because of profit and no concern for the firearms community, myself included.

Given the fact that the justice system has failed miserably to protect us, owning a firearm or three is not a bad idea. Hang onto whatever firearms you currently own and purchase what you think you might want or need in the years down the road, because Mayor Daley won't sleep until he disarms the taxpayers. I wish he would concern himself with Chicago and let us downstate people live in peace, but that is not his way.



#1 we have a legal system, not a justice system.

#2 Daley is a socialist. He won't be happy until he has all of your money, and thus complete control over his unarmed, "Subjects."

#3, making the penalty stronger for a victimless crime like drug use is a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. The War on Drugs has been about as successful as prohibition of alcohol was in the '20s, "We the people" are just less armed today then we were then.

#4 How about some crime control instaed of gun control? Ever think of that?
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 4:06:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/8/2006 4:07:10 AM EDT by npd233]

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
They could be eliminated. Then they'd be reasonable. I'm licensed to carry in 28 states. There is absolutely no reason for me to wait when I buy another firearm.




some of us think you should wait longer
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 5:09:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
Originally Posted By pbrsailor:


#4 How about some crime control instaed of gun control? Ever think of that?

Agreed! I have never heard of a felon locked up in prison breaking into someone's house or raping their daughter. Lock 'em up if they have it coming and many of us will sleep better at night.
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 8:35:45 AM EDT
The FOID makes sure that felons and bad people can't get firearms and ammo.

Now young man can I interest you in a bridge?
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 11:08:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
They could be eliminated. Then they'd be reasonable. I'm licensed to carry in 28 states. There is absolutely no reason for me to wait when I buy another firearm.




some of us think you should wait longer



Yeah, of course. Since I'm such a criminal, I should wait longer, that's going to solve the problem, right?
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 11:22:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
They could be eliminated. Then they'd be reasonable. I'm licensed to carry in 28 states. There is absolutely no reason for me to wait when I buy another firearm.




some of us think you should wait longer



Link Posted: 1/9/2006 12:00:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:
They could be eliminated. Then they'd be reasonable. I'm licensed to carry in 28 states. There is absolutely no reason for me to wait when I buy another firearm.




some of us think you should wait longer



Yeah, of course. Since I'm such a criminal, I should wait longer, that's going to solve the problem, right?



Ah... my incitement skills still work.

No, Tim, I don't think anyone should have to wait longer. Maybe they originally designed the three day wait because they felt that it would make someone think twice about buying a gun out of rashness and going and doing something illegal, like shoot someone else (or even themselves) Apparently they don't realize that the majority of us who buy guns already have OTHER guns. I guess maybe it's some strange effect that NEW guns have on us, that we need to be protected from.

Or perhaps they wanted us to have to wait in order that there would be enough time for the state police to verify that the purchaser had nothing on his criminal record (or pending) that would prevent possession of a gun. Pretty much now, since nearly everything is electronically updated within minutes, there isn't much reason for the entire waiting process to consist of the buyer taking a few minutes to shop for ammo or other supplies for his gun while the seller makes the phone call for approval.

Link Posted: 1/9/2006 12:34:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pbrsailor:

.......need to rethink selling a firearm or ammunition to an obviously deranged or suicidal subject.



On the whole suicide protection thing, if someone is going through a huge bout of depression and wants to kill themselves, they aren't going to be the happiest motherfuc*ers this side of the nuthouse 3 days later. They're still gonna be depressed and they're still gonna be contemplating it.

A 3 day waiting period (or 1 day for long guns, IMO) is just one more incremental step in taking our rights away.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 1:43:28 PM EDT
Suicide doesn't have much to do with gun availability.

WHO Suicide stats

Many of the European socialist utopias have higher suicide rates than the US including France and Germany. Even Canada, liberal paradise on earth, has a higher rate than the US.

Funnily enough, Iran, Jordan and Syria have basically zero suicide. I guess blowing yourself up across the border doesn't get counted in these stats.

The waiting period is just another incremental chip at our rights. The liberals will go after any possible erosion of our liberty they can disguise as "common sense" , "reasonable", or "for the children."

Link Posted: 1/9/2006 2:14:28 PM EDT
Hey Folks! Hate to ask a question that may or may not pertain to the topic, but...

I will be traveling to Illinois in March, and plan to bring a few of my firearms with me. I will be going to Franklin County (Benton specifically). I want to know what is the legal way to carry firearms in Illinois, in a vehicle. I know my Colorado CCW is no good in IL, but would still like to carry a loaded (or easy to load) pistol with me.

My uncle in Benton says to just keep it under the seat, but he is old school and doesn't care much for or pay attention to the firearm laws.

This somewhat falls into the topic(Gun card...carrying in a vehicle)..right?
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 2:20:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 2:21:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FATMANTPK:
Hey Folks! Hate to ask a question that may or may not pertain to the topic, but...

I will be traveling to Illinois in March, and plan to bring a few of my firearms with me. I will be going to Franklin County (Benton specifically). I want to know what is the legal way to carry firearms in Illinois, in a vehicle. I know my Colorado CCW is no good in IL, but would still like to carry a loaded (or easy to load) pistol with me.

My uncle in Benton says to just keep it under the seat, but he is old school and doesn't care much for or pay attention to the firearm laws.

This somewhat falls into the topic(Gun card...carrying in a vehicle)..right?



Keep the gun in a case(unloaded) and keep a nice baseball bat nearby
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 2:26:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By codycoyote:

Originally Posted By FATMANTPK:
Hey Folks! Hate to ask a question that may or may not pertain to the topic, but...

I will be traveling to Illinois in March, and plan to bring a few of my firearms with me. I will be going to Franklin County (Benton specifically). I want to know what is the legal way to carry firearms in Illinois, in a vehicle. I know my Colorado CCW is no good in IL, but would still like to carry a loaded (or easy to load) pistol with me.

My uncle in Benton says to just keep it under the seat, but he is old school and doesn't care much for or pay attention to the firearm laws.

This somewhat falls into the topic(Gun card...carrying in a vehicle)..right?



State law dictates "unloaded and encased". You can however store the loaded magazine in the case with the firearms. It's not the quickest, but you can get it out and loaded pretty damn quick if you had too.

You must really love your uncle to come from CO to see him. I always make my family stay in CO and I go visit them.hr


I have a lot of family in the Benton area. Grandma is about to be 76 and doesn't travel, so I am coming to see her and the others. But yes, I would prefer they come to Colorado. Benton is not exactly the "happenin spot".
Link Posted: 1/9/2006 3:16:14 PM EDT
Nate7, I heard that over half of gun deaths are suicide related in the USA. Personally, I have no doubt that someone intent on killing themselves will do it, gun or no gun.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 12:43:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:13:11 PM EDT
I believe in my own mind it was a race deal. If I remember correctly the FOID card came about during or after the 60's riots in Illinois. They came up with the FOID card to keep guns away from blacks.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:28:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By etch11:
I believe in my own mind it was a race deal. If I remember correctly the FOID card came about during or after the 60's riots in Illinois. They came up with the FOID card to keep guns away from blacks.



Might want to double-check exactly what you're smoking before you light it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:39:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 9:06:48 AM EDT by etch11]
Who was roiting in the 60's? I was there were you>


Keep and Bear Arms ^ | April 29, 2002 | Raymond Benwood


Posted on 05/04/2002 7:49:58 PM PDT by Mini-14



German Gun Control and the Illinois FOID

by Raymond Benwood

April 29, 2002

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.” --Cesare Beccaria, quoted by Thomas Jefferson

In 1968 a new gun control act was passed in response to race riots in some of our major cities. From this Act a whole new generation of gun control laws were created in the states. In 1992 Jews for Preservation of Firearm Ownership Inc, published Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny, which contains the actual text of pre Nazi, and Nazi gun control laws. In Gateway to Tyranny, JPFO shows the stark comparison between the 1938 Nazi law and our 1968 Gun Control Act. In fact evidence exists in the library of congress, that the late Senator Thomas J Dodd, who was the chief framer of the '68 Act, owned a text of the Nazi weapons law. Gateway to Tyranny exposes the usage of terms and phrases in Nazi law, and how they were deliberately applied to our '68 Gun Act. Its obvious that the late Senator Dodd, who was a lawyer at Nuremberg, must have liked what he saw in the Nazi gun laws, since he used them as a guide when he wrote our '68 Gun Act.

With passage of the '68 Act another door opened under the color of law, this time in the state of Illinois. Since white liberal racism energized the '68 Act, seeing it as a tool to further their socialist agenda, Mayor Daley Sr. of Chicago used his influence to bring about a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card in Illinois as a response to race riot concerns in Chicago. The FOID card was believed to be a powerful tool, to keep guns out of the hands of certain groups in the state deemed dangerous to Daley. Gateway to Tyranny shows that the Nazis both created and used gun control laws that were legally passed. One such terrible law was the Waffen Oder Munitionserwerbscheins (German for "License to obtain a weapon or ammunition"), a firearms Owners Identification permit (FOID). The Illinois FOID card, like the German permit, was designed to force gun owners to comply with the new law, by requiring the use of the permit (FOID) for the legal purchase of ammunition.

The stark comparisons between the Illinois FOID and the laws created and used by the Nazis are not just a matter of terms and phrases, but are synonymous in their intent. In Germany “the district police administrated the application process.” In Illinois, “the state police administrates the application process.”

In Germany, “a record keeping system was required for the transfer of handguns with the requirement that the records be kept for a period of 10 yrs and must include a description of the firearm.”

In Illinois, “any person within this state who transfers or causes to be transferred any firearm shall keep a record of such transfer for a period of 10 yrs and must include a description, serial number, or other information identifying the firearm and must include the transferee FOID number.”

In Germany, “a valid permit was required for transfer of a firearm, commercial or private.”

In Illinois, “a valid FOID is required for transfer of a firearm, commercial or private.”

In Germany, “all records were subject to police inspection on demand.”

In Illinois, “on demand of a peace officer such transferor shall produce for inspection such record of transfer.”

In Germany, “the police maintained a list of the identities and personal information of all licensees.”

In Illinois, “the state police maintain a record of all FOID cardholders.”

In Germany, “license denial could be made by race, inimical behavior or those deemed unreliable.”

In Illinois, “Chicago requires registration of all firearms and acceptance is near impossible and reports of FOID denial for bad attitudes have been reported else where in the state.”

In Germany, “certain permits were valid for up to 3 yrs.”

In Illinois, “the FOID card is valid for a period of 5yrs.”

In Germany, “a prohibition for the transfer of a firearm and ammunition to adolescents existed”.

In Illinois, “a prohibition for the transfer of a firearm and ammunition to adolescents exists.”

There are requirements for the transportation of a firearm. In Germany, “a certain type of permit was required.” In Illinois, “a valid FOID is required, and the firearm must be unloaded and properly cased.”

In Germany, “good Nazis could legally conceal carry, if they were issued the proper permit.”

In Illinois, “no conceal carry law exists.”

It should be obvious by now, as it was in Gateway to Tyranny, comparing the German gun laws to our '68 gun act, that the framer of the Illinois FOID Act had knowledge of German gun control laws, used by the Nazis and annotated those ideas into the Illinois FOID Act. There has been a misconception in Illinois and around the Nation, that a statute passed by Legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The constitution is the supreme law of the land; for any statue to be valid, it must be in agreement. Marbury vs. Madison, 5 (2 cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803) states “All laws which are repugnant to the constitution are null and void.” Many laws have been passed, but that does not make them lawful. Laws like the Illinois FOID card violate original intent of the 2nd Amendment of a general prohibition against state and federal legislation that infringes the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

The potential abuse of laws like the Illinois FOID are apparent, and should be repealed immediately. Illinois, under the color of law, has the potential of being the first state in the Union to impose a complete gun ban, with door to door confiscation, an act of Treason!

Today we live in a nation where the wearing of a swastika or a confederate battle flag patch or the questioning of the Holocaust, brings about a violent reaction in some people.

So why are so many people willing to accept the same types of laws that were the foundation of Genocide? Why do the big pro gun groups not fight against such laws that are so obviously unconstitutional and morally wrong? Our rights are self-evident and must be defended, if we are to remain FREE!

Raymond Benwood
Free Illinois

Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:33:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:40:08 PM EDT
codycoyote,

You got it! I will better behaved .

Allot of people especially younger ones do not understand it was a much different world in the 60's
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:54:09 PM EDT
GAH! I now have second thoughts about traveling in Illinois with my guns. I asume so long as I stay out of trouble while I am there (Hard to do with my family name in Franklin County) I should be OK, but it still bothers me that Illinois is that screwed up with their gun laws.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:56:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:59:19 PM EDT
Well, I just need to keep it cased & unloaded. Now I know why my Uncle is always complaining about the laws there. He just isn't as articulate, and has no internet access to research and point me towards the information on this thread. But he is a good old boy, redneck extroirdinaire! He just moved $15,000 guns out of his trailer that sold for $17,000! I couldn't make something like that up.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:36:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:42:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By codycoyote:

Originally Posted By FATMANTPK:
he is a good old boy, redneck extroirdinaire!



I like him already.

Actually Wizzo might know him with that description.
(j/k Wizzo)







WIZZO
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 6:07:15 PM EDT
Do any of you know folks in Benton?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:04:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:
Ah... my incitement skills still work.



And my personality still works as well. Don't think that I didn't notice you picked up and left quickly when I showed up at Hooters.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 1:51:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 3:11:18 AM EDT by npd233]

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By npd233:
Ah... my incitement skills still work.



And my personality still works as well. Don't think that I didn't notice you picked up and left quickly when I showed up at Hooters.



I had to leave to work overtime that night starting at 930, I left at quarter after 8. I actually told everyone there when I got there that I would only be able to stay about an hour or so. From what I heard later, I missed all the fun. Maybe next time.


etch... What more can I say that you haven't already covered? Very classy.

The infamous Chicago riots of 1968 at the DNC are the ones to which you're referring, correct?

They occurred August 26-29, 1968. This federal Gun Control Act of 1968 was enacted October 22, 1968. According to your statement above, from a single article published on a website, these were the precursors which Daley used to leverage passage of the Illinois FOID act?



With passage of the '68 Act another door opened under the color of law, this time in the state of Illinois. Since white liberal racism energized the '68 Act, seeing it as a tool to further their socialist agenda, Mayor Daley Sr. of Chicago used his influence to bring about a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card in Illinois as a response to race riot concerns in Chicago. The FOID card was believed to be a powerful tool, to keep guns out of the hands of certain groups in the state deemed dangerous to Daley.



The Illinois FOID act was passed on August 3, 1967.

It was Public Act #77-1819.

More than ONE year prior to EITHER event you provided as the incentive for the law to be passed.

Apparently that article you posted seems to have made it onto all the TFH websites. Google the author's name. It appears to be the only thing he's ever published.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:31:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By npd233:
Ah... my incitement skills still work.



And my personality still works as well. Don't think that I didn't notice you picked up and left quickly when I showed up at Hooters.



I had to leave to work overtime that night starting at 930, I left at quarter after 8. I actually told everyone there when I got there that I would only be able to stay about an hour or so. From what I heard later, I missed all the fun. Maybe next time.



I know, I'm just giving you crap.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 8:56:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By Tim84K10:

Originally Posted By npd233:
Ah... my incitement skills still work.



And my personality still works as well. Don't think that I didn't notice you picked up and left quickly when I showed up at Hooters.



I had to leave to work overtime that night starting at 930, I left at quarter after 8. I actually told everyone there when I got there that I would only be able to stay about an hour or so. From what I heard later, I missed all the fun. Maybe next time.


etch... What more can I say that you haven't already covered? Very classy.

The infamous Chicago riots of 1968 at the DNC are the ones to which you're referring, correct?

They occurred August 26-29, 1968. This federal Gun Control Act of 1968 was enacted October 22, 1968. According to your statement above, from a single article published on a website, these were the precursors which Daley used to leverage passage of the Illinois FOID act?



With passage of the '68 Act another door opened under the color of law, this time in the state of Illinois. Since white liberal racism energized the '68 Act, seeing it as a tool to further their socialist agenda, Mayor Daley Sr. of Chicago used his influence to bring about a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card in Illinois as a response to race riot concerns in Chicago. The FOID card was believed to be a powerful tool, to keep guns out of the hands of certain groups in the state deemed dangerous to Daley.



The Illinois FOID act was passed on August 3, 1967.

It was Public Act #77-1819.

More than ONE year prior to EITHER event you provided as the incentive for the law to be passed.

Apparently that article you posted seems to have made it onto all the TFH websites. Google the author's name. It appears to be the only thing he's ever published.



NPD,

The DNC riots were different. In the mid 60's there was heavy race tension in Illinois. We are talking MLK days. Its not talked about much. I know first hand because my dad business was fire bombed.

I would say Daley the no good f@@@ also had the convention in mind also. You do know he was famous for fixing elections? All Gun laws in Illinois have come from one of the Daley's
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 4:53:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By etch11:

NPD,

The DNC riots were different. In the mid 60's there was heavy race tension in Illinois. We are talking MLK days. Its not talked about much. I know first hand because my dad business was fire bombed.

I would say Daley the no good f@@@ also had the convention in mind also. You do know he was famous for fixing elections? All Gun laws in Illinois have come from one of the Daley's



I have no doubt that Chicago's machine is solely responsible for the restrictive gun laws our state has. I amazes me how they're able to get enough support among anyone outside the city to agree with half the crap they pull. But they do.

What happens is that when there are not laws, and people can do what they want, they don't see a need to pass a law to ALLOW them to do what they already can. However people who don't want them doing it will try everything they can to get a law passed prohibiting it. Once all guns are outlawed in this state, maybe.. MAYBE there will be enough pissed off gunowners to fight back and pressure their elected rep's to do something, or, will vote people out of office who won't and replace them with candidates who will.

Link Posted: 1/13/2006 8:14:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By npd233:

Originally Posted By etch11:

NPD,

The DNC riots were different. In the mid 60's there was heavy race tension in Illinois. We are talking MLK days. Its not talked about much. I know first hand because my dad business was fire bombed.

I would say Daley the no good f@@@ also had the convention in mind also. You do know he was famous for fixing elections? All Gun laws in Illinois have come from one of the Daley's



I have no doubt that Chicago's machine is solely responsible for the restrictive gun laws our state has. I amazes me how they're able to get enough support among anyone outside the city to agree with half the crap they pull. But they do.



What happens is that when there are not laws, and people can do what they want, they don't see a need to pass a law to ALLOW them to do what they already can. However people who don't want them doing it will try everything they can to get a law passed prohibiting it. Once all guns are outlawed in this state, maybe.. MAYBE there will be enough pissed off gunowners to fight back and pressure their elected rep's to do something, or, will vote people out of office who won't and replace them with candidates who will.





I could not agree with you more...
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 12:06:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By racecar:

Originally Posted By -42-:
Ok, maybe I am dumb or something, but I only recently got into weapons.
I've been racking my brain for the last week or so trying to figure this one out.



Oh my god.

A rebel in our midst who will rail against the dreaded FOID. Disgusted by the hypocrisy of this new world. Finally ready to post his outrage for all the ARFers to see. These words must be heard. Like a fledgling songwriter he wonders why no one before him has thought of it. The voice of a generation.


Where the hell have you been...............Airsofting?


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