Posted: 7/12/2011 9:52:16 AM EDT
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Two questions - First I just moved. What do I need to do to let the ATF know that I moved and my SBR is now at a different address? I looked on their website and wasn't sure.
Second, is it possible to just make a SBR not a SBR anymore? For my needs, I find a 16" works just as good without all the hassle. |
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Two questions - First I just moved. What do I need to do to let the ATF know that I moved and my SBR is now at a different address? I looked on their website and wasn't sure. Second, is it possible to just make a SBR not a SBR anymore? For my needs, I find a 16" works just as good without all the hassle. Per Form 4, "Change of Address: Unless currently licensed under the Gun Control Act, the registrant shall notify the NFA Branch, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, WV 25405, in writing, of any change to the address in Item 2a." Once the lower is an SBR, it's always an SBR. Besides, you've already gone through the hassle of getting the stamp... Robert |
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My understanding is that you can apply to have a firearm removed from the registry with a letter to the ATF so you can in fact "un-SBR" your SBR. Details are murky though so my best advice to you Scot would be to check the Class 3 forums on this site. They're a wealth of information and I've seen this topic discussed there in the past.
Personally since you've already gone through the hassle and expense of getting the stamp my advice would be to leave it be...but that's worth exactly what you paid for it 
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Since you already have the stamp, what hassle?
To Un-SBR it, make a copy of your F4 with the stamp on it. Send it to NFA with a letter informing them you have removed and disposed of the short barrel, so please remove the gun from the NFRTR registry. You can get a couple of dollars back by selling the stamp on eBay once you no longer need it. |
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Since you already have the stamp, what hassle? To Un-SBR it, make a copy of your F4 with the stamp on it. Send it to NFA with a letter informing them you have removed and disposed of the short barrel, so please remove the gun from the NFRTR registry. You can get a couple of dollars back by selling the stamp on eBay once you no longer need it. To unsbr it, just put on a longer barrel.... |
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Since you already have the stamp, what hassle? To Un-SBR it, make a copy of your F4 with the stamp on it. Send it to NFA with a letter informing them you have removed and disposed of the short barrel, so please remove the gun from the NFRTR registry. You can get a couple of dollars back by selling the stamp on eBay once you no longer need it. To unsbr it, just put on a longer barrel.... That doesn't remove it from the registry though. |
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I moved two miles from my last address. I know better than to cross state lines with out telling the ATF. Good! Very Good! You would be surprised as to how many people do not know better! Because you moved Intrastate, I would compose a letter to the ATF advising them of your old address, your new address, and the NFA firearm involved. In the past when I have moved Intrastate, I have done this and after a few weeks I got a letter from the ATF thanking me for updating my NFA file, my letter has been placed into my file, thank you for my cooperation, accurate NFA records are important, have a nice day, etc. With a Intrastate move, just a letter will do! No muss with no fuss! As to removing your SBR from the NFA Registry, see this very interesting ATF web page. See Question 4! Link: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html After reading this ATF web page, I would write a letter to the ATF with any questions you may have, ask them for the correct procedure or confirmation of the information on this web page; or, tell them what you have done. With NFA firearms, you gotta love paperwork! Wait for an ATF written response. Remember, with NFA firearms, everything, and I mean everything, must be documented! 
Get a written ATF confirmation that you SBR has been removed from the NFA registry! |
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Since you already have the stamp, what hassle? To Un-SBR it, make a copy of your F4 with the stamp on it. Send it to NFA with a letter informing them you have removed and disposed of the short barrel, so please remove the gun from the NFRTR registry. You can get a couple of dollars back by selling the stamp on eBay once you no longer need it. To unsbr it, just put on a longer barrel.... That doesn't remove it from the registry though. He didnt ask how to remove it from the registry |
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Since you already have the stamp, what hassle? To Un-SBR it, make a copy of your F4 with the stamp on it. Send it to NFA with a letter informing them you have removed and disposed of the short barrel, so please remove the gun from the NFRTR registry. You can get a couple of dollars back by selling the stamp on eBay once you no longer need it. To unsbr it, just put on a longer barrel.... That doesn't remove it from the registry though. He didnt ask how to remove it from the registry He asked how to make an SBR not an SBR because reporting its whereabouts appears to be a hassle. That equates to removing it from the registry. |
...... besides, didn't you need an excuse to build another 16" anyway?
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You can remove it from the registry.
I sent in a form 1 to sbr an LMT lower with the intention of getting an SBR upper. While waiting, I changed my mind, called and spoke with two different examiners to make sure. The examiner who had my form 1 said to wait unti it was approved and then send it in with an explanation. Did so and I got the cancelled form 1, which I keep for obvious reasons, taking the lower off the registry, and several weeks later, my refunded $200.00. |
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Since you already have the stamp, what hassle? To Un-SBR it, make a copy of your F4 with the stamp on it. Send it to NFA with a letter informing them you have removed and disposed of the short barrel, so please remove the gun from the NFRTR registry. You can get a couple of dollars back by selling the stamp on eBay once you no longer need it. To unsbr it, just put on a longer barrel.... That doesn't remove it from the registry though. He didnt ask how to remove it from the registry He asked how to make an SBR not an SBR because reporting its whereabouts appears to be a hassle. That equates to removing it from the registry. I thought I read a discussion in the NFA forums is that once the 16 or greater barrel is in place then the gun is no longer a NFA item. I thought they were talking about then taking it to other states without approval |
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You can remove it from the registry. I sent in a form 1 to sbr an LMT lower with the intention of getting an SBR upper. While waiting, I changed my mind, called and spoke with two different examiners to make sure. The examiner who had my form 1 said to wait unti it was approved and then send it in with an explanation. Did so and I got the cancelled form 1, which I keep for obvious reasons, taking the lower off the registry, and several weeks later, my refunded $200.00. They refunded your money??? |
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You can remove it from the registry. I sent in a form 1 to sbr an LMT lower with the intention of getting an SBR upper. While waiting, I changed my mind, called and spoke with two different examiners to make sure. The examiner who had my form 1 said to wait unti it was approved and then send it in with an explanation. Did so and I got the cancelled form 1, which I keep for obvious reasons, taking the lower off the registry, and several weeks later, my refunded $200.00. They refunded your money??? A refund is only available before the item transfers from the dealer, or the registration letter/$200 Stamp is mailed. Once it's taken from the dealer premises, or the registrant receives their stamp, no refund is possible. Up to that point the transaction may be cancelled. |
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You can remove it from the registry. I sent in a form 1 to sbr an LMT lower with the intention of getting an SBR upper. While waiting, I changed my mind, called and spoke with two different examiners to make sure. The examiner who had my form 1 said to wait unti it was approved and then send it in with an explanation. Did so and I got the cancelled form 1, which I keep for obvious reasons, taking the lower off the registry, and several weeks later, my refunded $200.00. They refunded your money??? only because the approved / stamped form 1 was immediately returned with a letter to take it off the registry, and the examiner, who was the same guy i already talked to so he was expecting it, took care of the transaction. |
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its right on the form 4. Withdrawal of Application. The application may be withdrawn prior to
approval by submission of a written request from the maker. The NFA Branch will arrange for a refund of any tax pai Right but he said it was approved which is why I was confused Quoted:
The examiner who had my form 1 said to wait unti it was approved and then send it in with an explanation. Did so and I got the cancelled form 1, which I keep for obvious reasons, taking the lower off the registry, and several weeks later, my refunded $200.00. |
| of course it was approved, stamped, received - that's what i sent back with letter requesting cancellation - and the cancelled form 1 was returned, my proof that the lower was no longer an nfa item. it still has the approved / dated stamp on it, complete with cancellation stamp. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Since you already have the stamp, what hassle? To Un-SBR it, make a copy of your F4 with the stamp on it. Send it to NFA with a letter informing them you have removed and disposed of the short barrel, so please remove the gun from the NFRTR registry. You can get a couple of dollars back by selling the stamp on eBay once you no longer need it. To unsbr it, just put on a longer barrel.... That doesn't remove it from the registry though. He didnt ask how to remove it from the registry He asked how to make an SBR not an SBR because reporting its whereabouts appears to be a hassle. That equates to removing it from the registry. I thought I read a discussion in the NFA forums is that once the 16 or greater barrel is in place then the gun is no longer a NFA item. I thought they were talking about then taking it to other states without approval OK so I can take my Bushmaster XM15E2S on a trip to California if I put a 16" or longer barrel on it. It is a California-registered assault weapon from when I lived there. After I moved here I SBR'd it. |
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Read through this thread including the ATF links
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/346496_Turning_an_SBR_back_into_a_rifle_.html Stuff is still confusing to me |
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Read through this thread including the ATF links http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/346496_Turning_an_SBR_back_into_a_rifle_.html Stuff is still confusing to me Well of course it is, if it were too clear and simple ATF-NFA would not be able to reinterpret their own rules at will, or "Make" cases on people with no illegal intent. The rules HAVE to remain contradictory, ill defined, and subject to interpretation as much as possible. In this case the rules are clearer than many other aspects of NFA. What still has you confused? |
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Since you already have the stamp, what hassle? To Un-SBR it, make a copy of your F4 with the stamp on it. Send it to NFA with a letter informing them you have removed and disposed of the short barrel, so please remove the gun from the NFRTR registry. You can get a couple of dollars back by selling the stamp on eBay once you no longer need it. To unsbr it, just put on a longer barrel.... That doesn't remove it from the registry though. He didnt ask how to remove it from the registry He asked how to make an SBR not an SBR because reporting its whereabouts appears to be a hassle. That equates to removing it from the registry. I thought I read a discussion in the NFA forums is that once the 16 or greater barrel is in place then the gun is no longer a NFA item. I thought they were talking about then taking it to other states without approval OK so I can take my Bushmaster XM15E2S on a trip to California if I put a 16" or longer barrel on it. It is a California-registered assault weapon from when I lived there. After I moved here I SBR'd it. Yes |
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Read through this thread including the ATF links http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/346496_Turning_an_SBR_back_into_a_rifle_.html Stuff is still confusing to me Well of course it is, if it were too clear and simple ATF-NFA would not be able to reinterpret their own rules at will, or "Make" cases on people with no illegal intent. The rules HAVE to remain contradictory, ill defined, and subject to interpretation as much as possible. In this case the rules are clearer than many other aspects of NFA. What still has you confused? The NFA handbook says if you put a 16" barrel on the gun it is not a NFA item anymore but then they throw in "unless you still control the parts to make a sbr" So if I put the sbr upper on a pistol lower am I still in control of it??? Their laws just seem so stupid. There are so many of us that want nothing more than be law abiding and it seems like they make it so hard |
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Read through this thread including the ATF links http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/346496_Turning_an_SBR_back_into_a_rifle_.html Stuff is still confusing to me Well of course it is, if it were too clear and simple ATF-NFA would not be able to reinterpret their own rules at will, or "Make" cases on people with no illegal intent. The rules HAVE to remain contradictory, ill defined, and subject to interpretation as much as possible. In this case the rules are clearer than many other aspects of NFA. What still has you confused? The NFA handbook says if you put a 16" barrel on the gun it is not a NFA item anymore but then they throw in "unless you still control the parts to make a sbr" So if I put the sbr upper on a pistol lower am I still in control of it??? Their laws just seem so stupid. There are so many of us that want nothing more than be law abiding and it seems like they make it so hard Here's something more to make your head hurt, something BATFE is fond of abusing, "Constructive Possession". A simple reading of the regs would indicate that taking the short barrel off the rifle and putting it on a dedicated pistol, and putting a long barrel on the rifle, would leave you clear of any NFA items. But BATFE likes to assume the worst, they ALWAYS want to assume criminal intent, so might argue "Constructive Possession" of an SBR since the pistol barrel is still capable of being put on the rifle. In theory they should not do so, Thompson Center spent years winning a case against BATFE in order to sell both carbine and pistol versions of their single shot design. Of course, if you once had an AR based SBR, and now have rifle and pistol AR's, I suppose BATFE might have an easier time making their claim of "Constructive Possession/illicit intent". If you retain an SBR status on your rifle, they have nothing to go after you for, both barrels are legal. This is one of those thing even real lawyers can argue endlessly on, BATFE likes to use "Sporting Purposes" restrictions and "Constructive Possession" to go after people they have nothing else on. I know, clear as mud. This illustrates why I insist that getting rid of the "Sporting Purposes" language in federal law is crucial. The "Sporting Purposes" garbage underlies so much of what is used to screw us over. |