Posted: 3/11/2011 5:13:39 PM EDT
| I didn't get the March newsletter - if I arrive around opening tomorrow / Saturday, will it be open, or do I have to wait and piggyback behind another member? |
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They have not used the gate/lock for a while, you just drive in and stop at the guard shack and sign in. That is not correct. You are lucky if you get to just sign in. Usually the guy who looks like Santa Claus tries to interrogate you for 5 to 10 minutes. First he wants to know if you are new to the range, even though he has seen me in my white lifted 4runner with the front winch bumper every damn week for six months. Then he wants to know exactly what you are shooting and on what range. Lord help you if you don't remember the range numbers and just say the bays on the right. Here comes another lecture. The whole time he talks to you like you are a 5 year old. 20 minutes later he will show up in your bay playing twenty questions again with you. It is to the point I'm going to join the Boulder City range because I'm sick of his shit. |
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They have not used the gate/lock for a while, you just drive in and stop at the guard shack and sign in. That is not correct. You are lucky if you get to just sign in. Usually the guy who looks like Santa Claus tries to interrogate you for 5 to 10 minutes. First he wants to know if you are new to the range, even though he has seen me in my white lifted 4runner with the front winch bumper every damn week for six months. Then he wants to know exactly what you are shooting and on what range. Lord help you if you don't remember the range numbers and just say the bays on the right. Here comes another lecture. The whole time he talks to you like you are a 5 year old. 20 minutes later he will show up in your bay playing twenty questions again with you. It is to the point I'm going to join the Boulder City range because I'm sick of his shit. That's pretty funny.Gary don't do that to me anymore, maybe he is encouraging you to drive to B.C. |
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That is not correct. You are lucky if you get to just sign in. Usually the guy who looks like Santa Claus tries to interrogate you for 5 to 10 minutes. First he wants to know if you are new to the range, even though he has seen me in my white lifted 4runner with the front winch bumper every damn week for six months. Then he wants to know exactly what you are shooting and on what range. Lord help you if you don't remember the range numbers and just say the bays on the right. Here comes another lecture. The whole time he talks to you like you are a 5 year old. 20 minutes later he will show up in your bay playing twenty questions again with you. It is to the point I'm going to join the Boulder City range because I'm sick of his shit. lol. you nailed it - exactly what happend saturday morning. what you shooting? where you going? bays to the right? last two are closed. lol. |
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They have not used the gate/lock for a while, you just drive in and stop at the guard shack and sign in. That is not correct. You are lucky if you get to just sign in. Usually the guy who looks like Santa Claus tries to interrogate you for 5 to 10 minutes. First he wants to know if you are new to the range, even though he has seen me in my white lifted 4runner with the front winch bumper every damn week for six months. Then he wants to know exactly what you are shooting and on what range. Lord help you if you don't remember the range numbers and just say the bays on the right. Here comes another lecture. The whole time he talks to you like you are a 5 year old. 20 minutes later he will show up in your bay playing twenty questions again with you. It is to the point I'm going to join the Boulder City range because I'm sick of his shit. He tried that shit with me once. 
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That is not correct. You are lucky if you get to just sign in. Usually the guy who looks like Santa Claus tries to interrogate you for 5 to 10 minutes. First he wants to know if you are new to the range, even though he has seen me in my white lifted 4runner with the front winch bumper every damn week for six months. Then he wants to know exactly what you are shooting and on what range. Lord help you if you don't remember the range numbers and just say the bays on the right. Here comes another lecture. The whole time he talks to you like you are a 5 year old. 20 minutes later he will show up in your bay playing twenty questions again with you. It is to the point I'm going to join the Boulder City range because I'm sick of his shit. lol. you nailed it - exactly what happend saturday morning. what you shooting? where you going? bays to the right? last two are closed. lol. It is getting downright ridiculous. All he needs to know is that I am a member in good standing. |
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They have not used the gate/lock for a while, you just drive in and stop at the guard shack and sign in. That is not correct. You are lucky if you get to just sign in. Usually the guy who looks like Santa Claus tries to interrogate you for 5 to 10 minutes. First he wants to know if you are new to the range, even though he has seen me in my white lifted 4runner with the front winch bumper every damn week for six months. Then he wants to know exactly what you are shooting and on what range. Lord help you if you don't remember the range numbers and just say the bays on the right. Here comes another lecture. The whole time he talks to you like you are a 5 year old. 20 minutes later he will show up in your bay playing twenty questions again with you. It is to the point I'm going to join the Boulder City range because I'm sick of his shit. He tried that shit with me once.
You are such a badass! |
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They have not used the gate/lock for a while, you just drive in and stop at the guard shack and sign in. That is not correct. You are lucky if you get to just sign in. Usually the guy who looks like Santa Claus tries to interrogate you for 5 to 10 minutes. First he wants to know if you are new to the range, even though he has seen me in my white lifted 4runner with the front winch bumper every damn week for six months. Then he wants to know exactly what you are shooting and on what range. Lord help you if you don't remember the range numbers and just say the bays on the right. Here comes another lecture. The whole time he talks to you like you are a 5 year old. 20 minutes later he will show up in your bay playing twenty questions again with you. It is to the point I'm going to join the Boulder City range because I'm sick of his shit. He tried that shit with me once.
You are such a badass! "Where you wanna go play?" 
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[ "Where you wanna go play?" OMFG! I absolutely fucking HATE that ass clown! I want to reach out and choke him every time he asks me that. and he asks that EVERYTIME! I've replied a couple of times that "I haven't decided yet" and I thought his head was going to explode. Made my day. I wonder what he would say if I said I was going to range 8 to shoot rocks at 1000 yds on the cliff face?
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He's just the worst of several grumpy old men at the front gate. I really loved DSRPC when it was a "police yourself" kinda place and you could come and go as you please. Now there are just a lot of FUDs making life difficult for people who just want to shoot in peace.
I blame it on two things, and I'm sure this happens to every club that grows too quickly.... 1) In an effort to expand their member$ship and therefore their revenue $tream - they opened the membership pool too too many people. In my 1st year there, I really enjoyed the low key but competant people that hung out there. Now I routinely see dumbass yahoo's, especially on range 6, just blasting away as fast as they can pull the trigger (nothing wrong with that) and showing poor muzzle discipline and just poor overall etiquette. It was about the time the membership drive started that fucknuts started using the kill house as a target backdrop and shooting huge holes in the walls. And more and more trash started appearing. 2) I'm also seeing an alarming trend among the "security" (and I use that term loosely) FUDs with regard cliques forming. Instead of a gentle reminder or a polite warning if they see a slight infraction as they go around to "monitor" us - they treat us like children or even threaten. An example was during a recent TAC match, the match organizer was threatened with all kinds of things if he allowed people to stand on the downrange berms at 9. I think a polite "hey, can you ask them not to stand on the berms - thanks" would have sufficed. There's too much of an "us against them" mentality going on and it frankly turns me off to renewing my membership. If enough people like me bail, then the club will be left to idiots and it will crumble unders its own critical mass of stupidity. If anyone out there on the DSRPC board is reading this: " you are fucking up by the numbers and the membership that you should most care about is unhappy". If I want this kind of crap, I'll pay my $7 and go to CCSP that's only 5 minutes from my house instead of 30 min to DS. The almightly dollar is NOT THE most important thing here! |
| i can see merit in interacting with members driving in so as to asertain the sobriety of arriving shooters, state of mind, etc. that ran through my head during said saturday morning interaction with mentioned gate person. i also thought later, it's not like they have ever asked for my badge (most of the time it's in view clipped to my shirt front) and scrutinized it or asked for id. |
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I deal with customers every day, have been for over 20 years
I say, "Hey Gary how are you doing ?" Learn to deal with, who you are dealing with, it goes smoother this way. Not that you always get things to go the way you planned, but more often than not it does. In case he reads this, I drive a Purple Escalade with 24" chrome rims 
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Q: Good morning, whatcha shooting today? A: (no words - show badge) Q: Where you planning on shooting (hands clipboard to me)? A: Up there Q: Oh I just thought you should know there is a uspsa match on range 2 A: (blank stare - give him back clipboard signed) Q: Do you have targets with you? A: Truck goes into D and I'm headed in. Stop being so damn polite - Here I even supplied a short training video : NWF - Training Video for DS Gate Guard Conversation... |
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Q: Good morning, whatcha shooting today? A: (no words - show badge) Q: Where you planning on shooting (hands clipboard to me)? A: Up there Q: Oh I just thought you should know there is a uspsa match on range 2 A: (blank stare - give him back clipboard signed) Q: Do you have targets with you? A: Truck goes into D and I'm headed in. Stop being so damn polite - Here I even supplied a short training video : NWF - Training Video for DS Gate Guard Conversation... Thanks for the video, I only made it to less than one of the ten minute training video, I got the point pretty early on (20 seconds in), maybe someday I'll use that strategery if things go south.... |
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I deal with customers every day, have been for over 20 years I say, "Hey Gary how are you doing ?" Learn to deal with, who you are dealing with, it goes smoother this way. Not that you always get things to go the way you planned, but more often than not it does. In case he reads this, I drive a Purple Escalade with 24" chrome rims I'm typically overly polite to everyone, especially people in the service industry. But Gary has just rubbed me wrong one too many times. Let me name just a few: 1). Making a smart ass comment to me for going too fast and raising dust when I was driving 8mph up to the gate. Dude, we live in a desert - there's going to be dust if I walk up e road on foot. Put some fucking oil down on the road if it's that big a problem. 2). Interrupting my string of fire when I was on # 3 for not hitting the 100 yd berm when I was aiming at the 300 yd berm - fuck wit, mind your own damn business. 3) trying to kick me out of the kill house one day when I was in the middle of running CQB drills because I "might" shoot the walls. I offered to walk him through and show him all my targets were in the open voids. He walked away in a huff. 4) just showing up and standing there watching me while I was shooting on the range all by myself, the dude is creepy. he's done that several times and I was polite at first and he didn't really have anything to say but he continued watching me like he was waiting for some kind of violation. I just ignore him now and keep on shooting. The list goes on and as I said he just rubs me wrong and I'm happy to find out its not just me who feels that way. |
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Quoted: I had some issues with the bullshit last year and wrote a letter to the E-Board. I explained what bullshit was occurring and asked for the bullshit to stop or for a refund, and although they never responded, the next time I was at the range I was told that all of the security people were given a copy of the letter and told to mind their manners. I haven't had an issue since.Quoted: They have not used the gate/lock for a while, you just drive in and stop at the guard shack and sign in. That is not correct. You are lucky if you get to just sign in. Usually the guy who looks like Santa Claus tries to interrogate you for 5 to 10 minutes. First he wants to know if you are new to the range, even though he has seen me in my white lifted 4runner with the front winch bumper every damn week for six months. Then he wants to know exactly what you are shooting and on what range. Lord help you if you don't remember the range numbers and just say the bays on the right. Here comes another lecture. The whole time he talks to you like you are a 5 year old. 20 minutes later he will show up in your bay playing twenty questions again with you. It is to the point I'm going to join the Boulder City range because I'm sick of his shit. |
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I deal with customers every day, have been for over 20 years I say, "Hey Gary how are you doing ?" Learn to deal with, who you are dealing with, it goes smoother this way. Not that you always get things to go the way you planned, but more often than not it does. In case he reads this, I drive a Purple Escalade with 24" chrome rims I'm typically overly polite to everyone, especially people in the service industry. But Gary has just rubbed me wrong one too many times. Let me name just a few: 1). Making a smart ass comment to me for going too fast and raising dust when I was driving 8mph up to the gate. Dude, we live in a desert - there's going to be dust if I walk up e road on foot. Put some fucking oil down on the road if it's that big a problem. 2). Interrupting my string of fire when I was on # 3 for not hitting the 100 yd berm when I was aiming at the 300 yd berm - fuck wit, mind your own damn business. 3) trying to kick me out of the kill house one day when I was in the middle of running CQB drills because I "might" shoot the walls. I offered to walk him through and show him all my targets were in the open voids. He walked away in a huff. 4) just showing up and standing there watching me while I was shooting on the range all by myself, the dude is creepy. he's done that several times and I was polite at first and he didn't really have anything to say but he continued watching me like he was waiting for some kind of violation. I just ignore him now and keep on shooting. The list goes on and as I said he just rubs me wrong and I'm happy to find out its not just me who feels that way. Quoted:
He's just the worst of several grumpy old men at the front gate. I really loved DSRPC when it was a "police yourself" kinda place and you could come and go as you please. Now there are just a lot of FUDs making life difficult for people who just want to shoot in peace. I blame it on two things, and I'm sure this happens to every club that grows too quickly.... 1) In an effort to expand their member$ship and therefore their revenue $tream - they opened the membership pool too too many people. In my 1st year there, I really enjoyed the low key but competant people that hung out there. Now I routinely see dumbass yahoo's, especially on range 6, just blasting away as fast as they can pull the trigger (nothing wrong with that) and showing poor muzzle discipline and just poor overall etiquette. It was about the time the membership drive started that fucknuts started using the kill house as a target backdrop and shooting huge holes in the walls. And more and more trash started appearing. 2) I'm also seeing an alarming trend among the "security" (and I use that term loosely) FUDs with regard cliques forming. Instead of a gentle reminder or a polite warning if they see a slight infraction as they go around to "monitor" us - they treat us like children or even threaten. An example was during a recent TAC match, the match organizer was threatened with all kinds of things if he allowed people to stand on the downrange berms at 9. I think a polite "hey, can you ask them not to stand on the berms - thanks" would have sufficed. There's too much of an "us against them" mentality going on and it frankly turns me off to renewing my membership. If enough people like me bail, then the club will be left to idiots and it will crumble unders its own critical mass of stupidity. If anyone out there on the DSRPC board is reading this: " you are fucking up by the numbers and the membership that you should most care about is unhappy". If I want this kind of crap, I'll pay my $7 and go to CCSP that's only 5 minutes from my house instead of 30 min to DS. The almightly dollar is NOT THE most important thing here! Excellent post, I couldn't have summed it up better. He is creepy as hell. He has shown up multiple times just to watch me. I go to DS to get away, shoot by myself, and mind my business. If I wanted to be constantly babysat I'd go to a indoor range. |
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I don't remember if he looks like "Santa", but the guy in the white full-size pickup was always nosy and sticking his head in our business.
"What you shooting?" "You have your member card?" (Uh, we should you five minutes ago at the gate) "What's gun is that, I've never seen one?" "You know this bay is reserved at 9am!" (Telling us at 715am, and he told us half hour ago too) "You're not shooting pistols here, are you?" (While we're shooting a PSL on a bench rest). 
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I don't remember if he looks like "Santa", but the guy in the white full-size pickup was always nosy and sticking his head in our business. "What you shooting?" "You have your member card?" (Uh, we should you five minutes ago at the gate) "What's gun is that, I've never seen one?" "You know this bay is reserved at 9am!" (Telling us at 715am, and he told us half hour ago too) "You're not shooting pistols here, are you?" (While we're shooting a PSL on a bench rest). Yep, that's gary |
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Blue Dodge truck - right? I can't remember his name, but the gate guy with the Big Blue Dodge is the talkative one with the big belly. He seems pretty nice and I've gotten along with him just fine. Its the Santa Claus beard in the white pickup with the camper top that is the problem child. |
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Pete was a quite the guy. He had some problem with an illegal supressor, I was told (long story) and had to leave the country. I think he was Austrian or German not sure.
Yes, things where different in those days. To bad Howard Hughes got involved and caused all the problems with the county. Thank HH for Gary. Steve Quoted:
Anyone here remember Pete? I wish I could go back to those days...he was a fun guy, once you go to know him. |
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Anyone here remember Pete? I wish I could go back to those days...he was a fun guy, once you go to know him. Was he the crazy guy who lived at the range? Foreign guy with a lot of guns, something like that? Yep, he was supposedly wealthy and had a house somewhere in town he would use a couple times a month to shower at. He told me on an average day put 1000 rounds through his 1911....his hand looked like he did too. 
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Blue Dodge truck - right? I can't remember his name, but the gate guy with the Big Blue Dodge is the talkative one with the big belly. He seems pretty nice and I've gotten along with him just fine. Its the Santa Claus beard in the white pickup with the camper top that is the problem child. Bob R. Heck of a guy; I look forward to my morning ration of shit from him! |
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Blue Dodge truck - right? I can't remember his name, but the gate guy with the Big Blue Dodge is the talkative one with the big belly. He seems pretty nice and I've gotten along with him just fine. Its the Santa Claus beard in the white pickup with the camper top that is the problem child. Bob R. Heck of a guy; I look forward to my morning ration of shit from him! Bob... that's it! I couldn't think of his name. I really like him too. |