Posted: 10/18/2009 8:13:48 PM EDT
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Just wanted to let everyone know that we are going to attempt to keep our In Stock guns up to date in our Industry section.
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| I talked to BATFE and the local law enforcement (gun registration division). AR lowers leave our shop as lowers. We DO NOT register them as pistols, because when they leave stripped, they are not a pistol or rifle, they are a stripped lower, so they get sold as stripped lowers. Metro does not want them registered when they leave the shop, EVEN IF THEY'RE MARKED FOR PISTOL. You're requirement after its built (if its under 12") is to register it then as a pistol. |
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I talked to BATFE and the local law enforcement (gun registration division). AR lowers leave our shop as lowers. We DO NOT register them as pistols, because when they leave stripped, they are not a pistol or rifle, they are a stripped lower, so they get sold as stripped lowers. Metro does not want them registered when they leave the shop, EVEN IF THEY'RE MARKED FOR PISTOL. You're requirement after its built (if its under 12") is to register it then as a pistol. So let me see is if I have this correct. I buy the lower from you and then take it to my local Metro Sub-Station and register it as a pistol, then I can buy a short barrel upper to put on it.....voila a pistol. I think that is the order I have to do it in......cuz if I buy the upper BEFORE it is registered as a "pistol", technically I am in possession of a short barrel rifle??? Is that correct??? ETA: Do you have LP kits in stock??? How about pistol buffer tube kits??? |
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So let me see is if I have this correct. I buy the lower from you and then take it to my local Metro Sub-Station and register it as a pistol, then I can buy a short barrel upper to put on it.....voila a pistol. I think that is the order I have to do it in......cuz if I buy the upper BEFORE it is registered as a "pistol", technically I am in possession of a short barrel rifle??? Is that correct??? ETA: Do you have LP kits in stock??? How about pistol buffer tube kits??? <This is not legal advice> I think the pistol / rifle difference has more to do with whether it has a stock or not. Even if you register the receiver as a pistol, when you put a short barrel on it along with a standard stock, you've just built an unregistered SBR. I believe in order to qualify as a pistol you cannot have a stock (buffer tube alone isn't a stock) and I think there is also some issue with the front handguard. </This is not legal advice> |
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So let me see is if I have this correct. I buy the lower from you and then take it to my local Metro Sub-Station and register it as a pistol, then I can buy a short barrel upper to put on it.....voila a pistol. I think that is the order I have to do it in......cuz if I buy the upper BEFORE it is registered as a "pistol", technically I am in possession of a short barrel rifle??? Is that correct??? ETA: Do you have LP kits in stock??? How about pistol buffer tube kits??? <This is not legal advice> I think the pistol / rifle difference has more to do with whether it has a stock or not. Even if you register the receiver as a pistol, when you put a short barrel on it along with a standard stock, you've just built an unregistered SBR. I believe in order to qualify as a pistol you cannot have a stock (buffer tube alone isn't a stock) and I think there is also some issue with the front handguard. </This is not legal advice> This is how I understand it. It needs to be built with a pistol buffer tube, and NOT a standard M4 stock. I think we are on the same page. As for the "order of purchase", I need the lower registered as a "pistol" BEFORE I buy my 10" barreled upper. This is a MUST because I have 2 other AR-15's that are compatible with the upper. If I am in possession of a 10" upper and NO pistol lower then I have the parts to assemble a SBR. Thus the ATF sees that I am in possession of an un-registered NFA weapon and I get a "GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL" Card. Now, if I own the lower first, I can buy what ever 10" upper I want. |
All of this is just another example of how byzantine and incomprehensible our gun laws, and by extension our guvmint have become under our noses.Why can't we have a common sense system where if you are legally eligible to possess firearms, it won't matter what you do with your stripped lower.{rant off} This rant brought to you by Top Ramen, the most popular meal choice of the recession.
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Because they are knuckleheads
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my daughter bought one a couple months ago,and,when they did the ncis check they asked if it was for a rifle or pistol. That has to do with age for eligibility. 18 for rifle/shotgun. 21 for pistols. ...and to take it one step further... We are not permitted to sell receivers to any buyer under 21 (as per ATF), because they can be built into a pistol. It's getting scary 
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Its a catch 22 because metro WILL NOT register a reciever as a pistol until it is built to what they call a pistol.... can't win with all these BS laws! Quoted: Quoted: So let me see is if I have this correct. I buy the lower from you and then take it to my local Metro Sub-Station and register it as a pistol, then I can buy a short barrel upper to put on it.....voila a pistol. I think that is the order I have to do it in......cuz if I buy the upper BEFORE it is registered as a "pistol", technically I am in possession of a short barrel rifle??? Is that correct??? ETA: Do you have LP kits in stock??? How about pistol buffer tube kits??? <This is not legal advice> I think the pistol / rifle difference has more to do with whether it has a stock or not. Even if you register the receiver as a pistol, when you put a short barrel on it along with a standard stock, you've just built an unregistered SBR. I believe in order to qualify as a pistol you cannot have a stock (buffer tube alone isn't a stock) and I think there is also some issue with the front handguard. </This is not legal advice> This is how I understand it. It needs to be built with a pistol buffer tube, and NOT a standard M4 stock. I think we are on the same page. As for the "order of purchase", I need the lower registered as a "pistol" BEFORE I buy my 10" barreled upper. This is a MUST because I have 2 other AR-15's that are compatible with the upper. If I am in possession of a 10" upper and NO pistol lower then I have the parts to assemble a SBR. Thus the ATF sees that I am in possession of an un-registered NFA weapon and I get a "GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL" Card. Now, if I own the lower first, I can buy what ever 10" upper I want. |
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Its a catch 22 because metro WILL NOT register a reciever as a pistol until it is built to what they call a pistol.... can't win with all these BS laws! Quoted:
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So let me see is if I have this correct. I buy the lower from you and then take it to my local Metro Sub-Station and register it as a pistol, then I can buy a short barrel upper to put on it.....voila a pistol. I think that is the order I have to do it in......cuz if I buy the upper BEFORE it is registered as a "pistol", technically I am in possession of a short barrel rifle??? Is that correct??? ETA: Do you have LP kits in stock??? How about pistol buffer tube kits??? <This is not legal advice> I think the pistol / rifle difference has more to do with whether it has a stock or not. Even if you register the receiver as a pistol, when you put a short barrel on it along with a standard stock, you've just built an unregistered SBR. I believe in order to qualify as a pistol you cannot have a stock (buffer tube alone isn't a stock) and I think there is also some issue with the front handguard. </This is not legal advice> This is how I understand it. It needs to be built with a pistol buffer tube, and NOT a standard M4 stock. I think we are on the same page. As for the "order of purchase", I need the lower registered as a "pistol" BEFORE I buy my 10" barreled upper. This is a MUST because I have 2 other AR-15's that are compatible with the upper. If I am in possession of a 10" upper and NO pistol lower then I have the parts to assemble a SBR. Thus the ATF sees that I am in possession of an un-registered NFA weapon and I get a "GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL" Card. Now, if I own the lower first, I can buy what ever 10" upper I want. so , i could buy an Short upper, have it sent to NFA( new frontier Armory) and then transfer /buy the lower(pistol) from the FFL, at that time we combine the upper from the stores safe and the new pistol lower..and get a blue card? Thus saving me a trip to reg my very cool AR pistol |
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Quoted: Quoted: Its a catch 22 because metro WILL NOT register a reciever as a pistol until it is built to what they call a pistol.... can't win with all these BS laws! Quoted: Quoted: So let me see is if I have this correct. I buy the lower from you and then take it to my local Metro Sub-Station and register it as a pistol, then I can buy a short barrel upper to put on it.....voila a pistol. I think that is the order I have to do it in......cuz if I buy the upper BEFORE it is registered as a "pistol", technically I am in possession of a short barrel rifle??? Is that correct??? ETA: Do you have LP kits in stock??? How about pistol buffer tube kits??? <This is not legal advice> I think the pistol / rifle difference has more to do with whether it has a stock or not. Even if you register the receiver as a pistol, when you put a short barrel on it along with a standard stock, you've just built an unregistered SBR. I believe in order to qualify as a pistol you cannot have a stock (buffer tube alone isn't a stock) and I think there is also some issue with the front handguard. </This is not legal advice> This is how I understand it. It needs to be built with a pistol buffer tube, and NOT a standard M4 stock. I think we are on the same page. As for the "order of purchase", I need the lower registered as a "pistol" BEFORE I buy my 10" barreled upper. This is a MUST because I have 2 other AR-15's that are compatible with the upper. If I am in possession of a 10" upper and NO pistol lower then I have the parts to assemble a SBR. Thus the ATF sees that I am in possession of an un-registered NFA weapon and I get a "GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL" Card. Now, if I own the lower first, I can buy what ever 10" upper I want. so , i could buy an Short upper, have it sent to NFA( new frontier Armory) and then transfer /buy the lower(pistol) from the FFL, at that time we combine the upper from the stores safe and the new pistol lower..and get a blue card? Thus saving me a trip to reg my very cool AR pistol Adam can do that for you because as stupid of a rule that it is, If I put an upper on a lower, I'm technically manufacturing a firearm, which I can't do because I'm an 01 FFL. |
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Because they are knuckleheads
ETA...Rob944s2...... of all people to not have an amazing avatar... shame shame Another shameles plug... if anyone is in need of product photography for their store, catalog, website, you name it.... Check out our good ole buddy here... ProductPhotography.com Amazing work and all around nice guy. Cliff Yeah, still working on the avatar issue.
Thanks for the plug, you rock!
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