[ARCHIVED THREAD] - KelTec (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/8/2008 8:42:44 AM EDT
| Anyone have much experience with the Keltec .32 pistols? My interest is very mission specific so hold the pussy gun comments. |
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I do not own one, but would certainly consider one if I needed a tiny carry piece. Meansteve carries one. He has been very happy with his. The only complaint (attributable to the operator) is that he played with it so much, practicing "tactical reloads", it wore the magazine catch down so he had to duct tape the magazine in place. No Shit. I told him to send it in for repair, but that was part of Meansteve's charm. Knowing that he had a duct taped .32 in his pocket. Gunsap has one that his wife claimed. They are very happy with theirs. I have a regular customer that carries one in his cowboy boot. If your mission parameters call for a small, light, relatively effective pistol than the KelTec P32 fits the bill. Keeping in mind that the .32 acp is on a ballistic par with the .38Special, then you have a flat little piece that holds more, reloads quicker, and hides better. I would definitely say the P32 is a pussy gun. You could easily hide one in your vagina! |
The .380 has a ballistic edge, but you give up some controllability and capacity. With good ammo, the .32 is good enough to get most jobs done. It beats having nothing, which is what this gun/caliber does. It offers you an opportunity to carry something when "nothing" is the other option. |
Yes, they are great guns and saved my life. I was on the receiving end of a Kel-tec. If Kel-tec built a quality gun, I might not be here. So, a Kel-tec saved my life 
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Black ninja ops. It's for protection while out jogging around beautiful NLV. I think NLVPD might feed me the "asphalt sandwich" if I were to jog with a pistol in one hand and mag in the other like I did in the AOR. |
haha that would suck. Cant a Glock 26 do what the little Kel tec can? As for RDP...you gotta elaborate or show some pics or your thread is worthless son. Dont be a C-Square, explain. |
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This is how I'm going to carry it while running. Chest holster for pussy gun |
Gonna want fries with that asphalt sandwich?? 
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Over a t-shirt, under a running shirt 
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have one of the earlier ones. chamber was rough from the factory and would jam FTE when dirty. sent it in for warranty repair, and they POLISHED THE FEEDRAMP need to get it back out to the range and get it dirty, where it will promptly jam and i can send it back AGAIN with the empty still stuck in it. not a typical problem, just MY problem. having said that, since the P3At is roughly the same price and size, i wouldn't buy a .23 now, unless recoil was a problem. |
I do but on run days I'd rather not drive to Nellis just to run. ETA- And what the F--ks the matter with you! Trying to talk me out of buying a new gun? You know, my wife is on the board you cockblock. 
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The Kel-Tec P32 fits a very specific role in a concealed carry line up. That being ULTRA concealable a.k.a. the gun you carry when you can't carry a gun. I have some info on my website that may be of interest. Ballistics www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm Reliability Prep www.goldenloki.com/guns/keltec/prep.htm The Kel-Tec can be made to work and their customer service is among the best. I tried jogging once, I had to stop because the ice kept falling out of my bourbon. GL |
I needed that.. Thanks
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I have one and the only problem that I have with it is the steel belt clip that I put on it. You have to re-learn how to take a wizz! Every time its dropped, I was looking straight up the barrel when it hit the ground! Its actually a good little gun, Hell Ruger copied it! |
RDP, Glad that you made it through that one, Bro. Yep, the Ol' Jam-O-Matic by Ronco! Inferior quality that doesn't work every time...
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It's funny Joe, I know two owners who swear by theres and one guy who would'nt use his for a Paperweight.I also agree with you about the "Ronco" part everything Keltec builds is middle of the road or less,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,6 of those and half dozen of the other The 9mm owner did admit to some "Polishing" work with no further details 
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hmmm, here's the not i sent them with mine, and the reply i got when they shipped it back- Enclosed is my Kel-Tec P32, SN XXXXX. This firearm has what appears to be a rough chamber. this causes FTE malfunctions after a few magazines. changing ammo does not seem to have any affect on this issue. It also does not feed Winchester Silvertips reliably. It has had these problems since new. Please let me know what you can do. Thanks- fixer aand when they sent it back, the slip it was packed with had "polished feed ramp" and "test fired" checked. the chamber is IMHO toast and the gun needs a new barrel. somehow they chose to focus in the fact that i said it wouldn't feed Silvertips and only polished the feedramp of a junk barrel. the chamber seems to be larger at the muzzle end then at the breech end. i'm not saying they are all like this... i'm SPECIAL! the gun got a fluff & buff per the instructions on GL's site when new. |
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You know what,it's like I've always tried to state,,,,, 'Use what works for You' Keltec,Seecamp have been mentioned Ever fired a Kahr P-40? I had to go home and 'Gratify' myself.I found it a Very Fine build,Form and Function was Drop dead Delightful(at least for me) Matter of fact it was Love from first magazine,of course I am Biased in my opinion as I tend toward .40 cal and .45 cal Pistolas kahr.com/PA-1B/review_ch_0202.html |
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Bad guy decides to kidnap and rob a dope dealer. He gets the dope dealers almost brand new Kel-tec and flees with his homies. I find him with his Kel-tec. He wanted to shoot it out..... We get into a shootout and his Kel-tec jams. After lead into tissue changed his desire to fight, he dropped the Kel-tec and the magazine goes flying out. Super guns Funny thing several homicide detectives were curious about Kel-tecs... after playing with that one, not a single one of them bought one! |
Damn. Glad you are alright man.  I see you chose to SMOKE...not GET SMOKED. Doom on bad guy and his Kel tec.
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I have only passed a couple of Kel-Tec P32's for CCW in my 12+ years of instructing professionally. And that was after the owners polished the feed ramps and put over 1,000 rounds through them. Also, they would only feed Magtech ammunition somewhat reliably. |
Seecamps are outstanding guns and I believe they are still handmade. If I ever find one at a reasonable price I might consider buying one. I once had a student tell me that he was going to buy a Seecamp but he couldn't afford it, so the guy behind the counter at a local gun shop told him that "all the Metro guys buy these (Kel-Tecs) and they love 'em and they are just as good as Seecamps at about a third the price. Unfortunately the guy at the gun shop was incorrect about being just as good as a Seecamp. I wound up having to fail that gun during the qualification portion of the CCW course. |
Keltecs are ok I guess. I want to know what mission requires a .32acp? Ruger LCP vs. Keltec.[lcp is .380] dude buy a Sig p232,Walther PPK...you'll thank me later.. |
Better to have something better than nothing, shove it in his face and he's done... ANY gun is better than NO gun...besides, I don't you ever watch James Bond? His missions are shit. They always begin with a handgun (PPK type, one, each), to facilitate someones demise wherethen he picks up the weapon (usually a log rifle) that he uses to get the job done (picks up mags off of bodies as he goes). Please get in line with mainstream media thinking... V OUT |
Running as stated in my previous post. Not being a fan of small cartridges myself, I however feel it would suit my "mission" just fine. A mag dump of .32 ACP in someones face should cure his sickness. And yes, if the bitch doesn't shoot, it won't be carried. |
maybe concider a Walther P22. Slim, light weight, its .22 caliber but ten rounds, single stack mags, they fire really well. Very true better to have something than nothing. Is there a price limit that you set. Beretta in .32ACP would be a good choice. Not as slim as Keltec but smaller frame size. The Keltec may still be the best choice. post pic of it when you get it.  
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Why not a J-frame with Crimson Trace laser grips. I run with mine at least three times a week. If you haven't tried the J-frame/Crimson Trace combo you are in for a huge surprise. You will be amazed at the hits you can achieve with a little snubby. Plus 5 rounds of 38+p at close range is nothing to laugh at, especially considering you have it in such a easily carried package. I'd also dare to bet that the J-frame is far more reliable than the Keltec. I've weighed the pro's and cons of carrying a smaller, lighter revolver vs a bigger autoloader while running, and I'm comfortable with my decision. My J-frame has proven to be robust and reliable, and I am very comfortable with it out to 10 yds, 15 if needed. Here is what I use to carry my J-Frame while running Eagle Fanny Pack Here is some info from Doc Roberts, aka DocGKR. If you don't know of him, get over to 10-8, Lightfighter, or M4Carbine and read as many of his posts as you can. Very few know more about terminal ballistics than he. We all should pay attention to his last sentence. "2" J-frames are a great BUG's and marginally acceptable low threat carry guns, because they are lightweight, reliable, and offer acceptable terminal performance at close range--downsides are difficulty in shooting well at longer ranges because of sight and sight radius limitations, along with reduced capacity coupled with slower reloading. I avoid guns with locks; likewise I prefer .38 Sp versions to the .357 Mag ones. The CT Lasergrips are a superb addition to J-frames. The Gold Dot JHP offers the most reliable expansion we have seen from a .38 sp 2” BUG. Out of a 2” J-frame: .38 Sp Speer 135 gr +P JHP Gold Dot (53921), ave vel=856f/s BG: pen=13.1”, RD=0.56”, RW=134.5gr 4 layer denim: pen=13.6”, RD=0.53”, RW=134.1gr auto windshield: pen=9.4”, RD=0.51”, RW=129.6gr There have been many reports in the scientific literature, by Dr. Fackler and others, recommending the 158 gr +P LSWCHP as offering adequate performance. Please put this in context for the time that these papers were written in the late 1980's and early 1990's--no denim testing was being performed at that time, no robust expanding JHP's, like the Fed Tac & HST, Speer Gold Dot, or Win Ranger Talon existed. In the proper historical perspective, the 158 gr +P LSWCHP fired out 3-4" barrel revolvers was one of the best rounds available--and it is still a viable choice, as long as you understand its characteristics. While oversimplified, bare gelatin gives information about best case performance, while 4 layer denim provides data on worst case performance--in reality, the actual performance may be somewhere in between. The four layer denim test is NOT designed to simulate any type of clothing--it is simply an engineering test to assess the ability of a projectile to resist plugging and robustly expand. FWIW, one of the senior engineers at a very respected handgun ammunition manufacturer recently commented that bullets that do well in 4 layer denim testing have invariably worked well in actual officer involved shooting incidents. With few exceptions, such as the Speer 135 gr +P JHP and Barnes XPB, the vast majority of .38 Sp JHP's fail to expand when fired from 2" barrels in the 4 layer denim test. Many of the lighter JHP's demonstrate overexpansion and insufficient penetration in bare gel testing. Also, the harsher recoil of the +P loads in lightweight J-frames tends to minimize practice efforts and decrease accuracy for many officers. The 158 gr +P LSWCHP offers adequate penetration, however in a 2" revolver the 158gr +P LSWCHP does not reliably expand. If it fails to expand, it will produce less wound trauma than a WC. Target wadcutters offer good penetration, cut tissue efficiently, and have relatively mild recoil. With wadcutters harder alloys and sharper leading edges are the way to go. Wadcutters perform exactly the same in both bare and 4 layer denim covered gel when fired from a 2" J-frame. For example, the Win 148 gr LWC: VEL = 657 f/s, PEN = 20"+, RD = 0.36", RL = 0.64", RW = 147.4 gr When faced with too little penetration, as is common with lightweight .38 Sp JHP loads or too much penetration like with the wadcutters, go with penetration. The mild recoil of target wadcutters, along with the addition of CTC Laser Grips, has resulted in many officers routinely getting good hits at 25 yards; wadcutter use has resulted in increased qualification scores, even better, officers are actually practicing with their BUG's. I personally carry standard pressure wadcutters in my J-frames with Gold Dot 135 gr +P JHP's in speed strips for re-loads, as the flat front wadcutters are hard to reload with under stress. Finally, don't get too wrapped in the nuances of ammunition terminal performance. Spend you time and money on developing a warrior mindset, training, practice, and more training." |
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I love my Kel-Tecs, and all work well. My early P-3AT did take some work to get right. The little ones can be ammo sensitive at times and take some shooting to figure out they digest well. They are not duty pistols, and if you try silly things like speed reloads with them, you will end up disappointed (or buying duct tape). Kel-Tec is extremely responsive to minor issues as far as sending parts for free and not voiding the warranty if you do the work. I could install MeanSteve's mag catch in about 20 minutes taking my time, and KT would send him one in a few days if he just asked. I never leave my house unarmed, because the P-3AT is like having my wallet in my front pocket. If you can carry something in 9mm or larger all the time, then the little KTs are not of use. I would rather have my Glock 29 during a gunfight, but suspect my P-3AT is better than harsh language or begging for mercy if I left the Glock at home. I have yet to see anyone volunteer to get shot by one. The P-32 is easier to shoot, holds one more round than the P-3AT, and has an internal slide stop. The .380 ammo is somewhat more potent, and costs less to shoot. My P-3AT loves Remington and MagTech, and hates Winchester. The newer ones are far less finicky than the older (First Generation) ones. P-32s of all generations work quite well, as do the 9mm models. All that matters is that yours is reliable, and that is why the testing needs to be done.
So if he would have killed you, the gun would have been great and all those homicide detectives looking at your corpse would have wanted one? When I buy a pistol for carry, I strip it, clean and lube it, then buy a variety of ammo and take it to the range. Once it has proven reliable in general, I start feeding whatever flavor of expensive JHP ammo I think would be best, and make sure that works well. I then make sure it is cleaned, lubed, and ready to go. Small pistols by their very nature are a compromise, and need this kind of treatment more than most. Just a guess, but I doubt the kidnapper or the dope dealer went to any of this kind of trouble before it got pointed at you. If it had been one of my KT he had stolen, we wouldn't be having this discussion. GoldenLoki - great website, thanks for keeping it up and running. |
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.32 seecamps are on gunsamerica for $400 or so all day long. its a solid little piece. you should fondle one before you decide to pull the trigger ...sorry for the pun, it seemed appropriate. ***edit...642's run in the $350-$450 range..seecamp mags are $25 and you can easily keep another one handy in your back pocket..hard to say for speedloaders or loose rounds for a wheel gun..just my $.02" |
All because you are in a gunfight, it doesn't mean you will be hurt and killed. All of the rounds I fired hit the target..... not a single one of his did. So, there is more to a gunfight than having a gun that is reliable, although I would consider that a critical area. Marksmanship helps too
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would you consider a Wheel gun? sure looks good to me and I'm biased because I 've had a Smith or two and to this day for a Wheel still Rock Solid 642 I'm down to one now maby you would like a .22 magnum Stainless?  NOT a solitcitation |
The money should be the least of your worries if you're looking for something reliable. I was on the fence between a KT and a PM-9. I decided to spend the money and pocket carry a 15 oz 9mm. Sure, any gun is better than a sharp stick, no question, but for me it was "what can I comfortably hide without too many wardrobe gymnastics" that still had good performance. Neck holster is cool but I'd rather have a neck knife and a 9mm in the pocket. YMMV and this opinion is worth what you paid for it. I assume you've seen this, but for the benefit of those who haven't this is a cool chart. www.mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.jpg |
No doubt, and thank Heaven he spent his time doing something other than practicing.
The Seecamps are very nice pistols. They are smaller and thicker than the Kel-Tecs, and heavier. The triggers are long and heavy, but smooth. There are no sights on the Seecamp. They make the .32ACP and .380ACP models, street prices are about $400 and $800 respectively. Seecamp managed to squeeze a .32 then a .380 into a pistol originally designed for .25ACP, without changing any of the external dimensions. One drawback seems to be related to the short 2" barrels, in that the performance of expanding ammo in gelatin, wet paper, etc., of JHP ammo is reduced. The extra 0.75" or so of barrel on the Kel-Tecs seems to be enough to make consistent expansion possible with the right ammo, whereas with the Seecamps I am not so confident. The Seecamps were not designed to shoot FMJ ammo, and will not do so without minor modifications in most cases. The Rohrbaugh R9 and R9s (sights) are Kel-Tec sized pistols that resemble the Seecamps, but are designed to use standard pressure 9mm (no +P). They are finely made weapons, but cost is around $1000. The Kahr is very nice but considerably bigger than the pocket Kel-Tecs. If the larger size works for you, it is an excellent choice. Kel-Tec makes a similar sized pistol called the PF-9 that works very well. My buddy bought one over at BRA and it has been flawless. Kahr is coming out with a Kel-Tec sized .380 that looks like a mini PM-9. It should be an option once the inevitable bugs have been worked out. ETA: link to pic 
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