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9/27/2007 10:41:44 AM EDT
What I didn't see in the legislation or the list of approved states was whether or not non-resident permits from those states would be honored.  Delving deeper, what about non-resident permits presented by NV residents? As in...might we be able to get away from listing make/model/caliber (and serial # in Clark Cty) and qualifying with each f'ing semi-auto if we all just carried a Utah non-resident permit?

Loopholes, it's all about the loopholes.
9/27/2007 10:46:39 AM EDT
[#1]
YOU MAY BE GENIUS!
9/27/2007 10:48:08 AM EDT
[#2]
If they recognize the permit, they must recognize the terms of the permit. So, states that don't have the silly qual requirements can't be forced to implement restrictions or change their laws.
9/27/2007 11:04:37 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
YOU MAY BE GENIUS!


Yea no kidding.
9/27/2007 11:12:41 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
If they recognize the permit, they must recognize the terms of the permit. So, states that don't have the silly qual requirements can't be forced to implement restrictions or change their laws.


Right, I get that. My question is...can I carry in NV, being a NV resident, on a UT permit that I also have, on Monday without having to list my new semi-auto weapons on my NV permit

I might be a genius indeed
9/27/2007 11:23:17 AM EDT
[#5]
Another issue will be does anyone want to be the first one to try it and get pulled over when it is 105 to sit in their car for 3 hours while a bunch of officers on the side of a road try and figure out if it is legal or not?
9/27/2007 11:27:09 AM EDT
[#6]
Good thing it's not 105 any longer ;)
9/27/2007 11:31:46 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
As in...might we be able to get away from listing make/model/caliber (and serial # in Clark Cty) and qualifying with each f'ing semi-auto if we all just carried a Utah non-resident permit?

Loopholes, it's all about the loopholes.


Which may, in itself, be a problem. Wasn't the criteria that in order for Nevada to honor an out of state permit, that the permit requirements for that state must be at least as tough as for Nevada?

The question then becomes... if a state does not require you to qualify and list every weapon on the permit, does that mean it isn't "tough enough" to allow reciprocity with Nevada? In fact, if Nevada really doesn't want to reciprocate, couldn't they technically just make sure that Nevada's requirements are tougher than everyone else's?

Loopholes. It's alll about the loopholes, right?

-Caver
9/27/2007 11:41:56 AM EDT
[#8]
True, but they've accepted that Utah and seven other states, including Alaska which doesn't even require a CCW, are OK apparently for the next year.
9/27/2007 11:42:29 AM EDT
[#9]
SB 237

2. A person who possesses a permit to carry a concealed
firearm that was issued by a state included in the list prepared
pursuant to section 3 of this act may not carry a concealed firearm
in this State if the person:
(a) Becomes a resident of this State; and
(b) Has not been issued a permit from the sheriff of the county
in which he resides within 60 days after becoming a resident of
this State.

Sorry guys they got you covered.

EDIT:  Although with a VERY STRICT reading, if you already are an resident, you can not BECOME something you already are.  BTW good luck with that argument in court...you will need it.
9/27/2007 1:08:03 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Right, I get that. My question is...can I carry in NV, being a NV resident, on a UT permit that I also have, on Monday without having to list my new semi-auto weapons on my NV permit

I might be a genius indeed


You must have a NV CFP if you are a NV resident if you want to carry concealed.
9/27/2007 1:28:11 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Right, I get that. My question is...can I carry in NV, being a NV resident, on a UT permit that I also have, on Monday without having to list my new semi-auto weapons on my NV permit

I might be a genius indeed


You must have a NV CFP if you are a NV resident if you want to carry concealed.


You are correct JH,

I've received a few calls from Utah residents that hold Nevada CCW's asking if they move to Nevada and become a Nevada resident can they carry using their Utah CCW under the new law? The answer is no. If you are a Nevada resident you MUST possess a Nevada permit.

A few years ago residents in Arizona tried carrying in Arizona using Utah permits (because there was nothing in the law that prohibited the practice) and DPS got wise to it. Arizona subsequently stipulated in statute that a resident in that state must have an Arizona CCW in order to carry concealed.
9/27/2007 1:38:06 PM EDT
[#12]
Don't forget that one of the reason those 8 states made NV's list is because they have a 24 hour database that any LEO can access to check the validity of the permit.    
9/27/2007 3:03:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Yeah, apparently I don't read so good

There's nothing wrong with having a database checkable by law enforcement for enforcing permit validity, as long as you acquiesce that the permitting process is valid in the first place given that it's a constitutional right...I won't get into that morass.

I was just looking for relief from the onerous regulations imposed regarding qualifications.  Guess I'll just carry a .500 S&W revolver since I don't need to qualify with it as long as I can shoot my .22 real good.

Anyway, I apologize for misreading the statute and getting everyone excited.
9/27/2007 3:48:35 PM EDT
[#14]
What happens in this case:

A military guy is stationed here, but remains a legal resident of his home state.  This guy holds a Utah and a NV (obtained in Clark County) CCW.      

Sounds to me like that because he's not a legal NV "resident" (key word legal-resident) that he can carry on his Utah CCW.
9/27/2007 4:59:57 PM EDT
[#15]
From Channel 3, the states that Nevada will honor are:

Alaska
Arkansas
Kansas
Louisiana
Missouri
Nebraska
Tennessee
Utah

They then went on to say that the official list would be published on Monday, so I suppose there is some chance of a change in the list.
9/27/2007 5:21:43 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
From Channel 3, the states that Nevada will honor are:

Alaska  WTH?
Arkansas
Kansas
Louisiana
Missouri
Nebraska
Tennessee
Utah

They then went on to say that the official list would be published on Monday, so I suppose there is some chance of a change in the list.
9/27/2007 6:15:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Of course open carry is still legal.  

It may not be smart, but it is legal.  LOL

On a happier note, maybe Metro will school it's officers in the current firearms laws.

I don;'t thinkso either.
9/27/2007 7:36:30 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
From Channel 3, the states that Nevada will honor are:

Alaska  WTH?
Arkansas
Kansas
Louisiana
Missouri
Nebraska
Tennessee
Utah

They then went on to say that the official list would be published on Monday, so I suppose there is some chance of a change in the list.


Alaska issues permits, they're just not required to carry in Alaska.
www.dps.state.ak.us/PermitsLicensing/achp/
9/27/2007 11:03:23 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Don't forget that one of the reason those 8 states made NV's list is because they have a 24 hour database that any LEO can access to check the validity of the permit.    


Which is why I'm so stumped as to why TX did not make it. Our CHL is attached to our TXDL. Our course is almost exactly like NV with the main difference being a 50 round course of fire at 3,7 and 15yds. Of course if you qualify with a semiauto you can carry anything. If you qual with a revolver you can only carry a revolver and specific SN#'s and calibers are not noted as there are minimum caliber requirements. <shrug>
9/28/2007 10:33:13 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
SB 237

2. A person who possesses a permit to carry a concealed
firearm that was issued by a state included in the list prepared
pursuant to section 3 of this act may not carry a concealed firearm
in this State if the person:
(a) Becomes a resident of this State; and
(b) Has not been issued a permit from the sheriff of the county
in which he resides within 60 days after becoming a resident of
this State.

Sorry guys they got you covered.

EDIT:  Although with a VERY STRICT reading, if you already are an resident, you can not BECOME something you already are.  BTW good luck with that argument in court...you will need it.



Damn it all.

So even though I got my permit as a Alaska resident when I become a Nevada resident my permit is void. I dont mind getting the permit I was just hoping to avoid having to list all the handguns individually.

Seems about right for my luck
9/28/2007 12:49:45 PM EDT
[#21]
It is completely bogus.

On the plus side, if all your weapons are the same make/model/cailber you only need to list one of them
9/28/2007 2:57:48 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
SB 237

2. A person who possesses a permit to carry a concealed
firearm that was issued by a state included in the list prepared
pursuant to section 3 of this act may not carry a concealed firearm
in this State if the person:
(a) Becomes a resident of this State; and
(b) Has not been issued a permit from the sheriff of the county
in which he resides within 60 days after becoming a resident of
this State.

Sorry guys they got you covered.

EDIT:  Although with a VERY STRICT reading, if you already are an resident, you can not BECOME something you already are.  BTW good luck with that argument in court...you will need it.



Damn it all.

So even though I got my permit as a Alaska resident when I become a Nevada resident my permit is void. I dont mind getting the permit I was just hoping to avoid having to list all the handguns individually.

Seems about right for my luck


Only thing I can tell you is if you do have to get a NV ccw go through Ishoot2live (member on here) and you will not only get your ccw but also a primary pistol course all wrapped into one - so think of it as paying for actual training -nothing wrong with that
9/29/2007 9:36:57 AM EDT
[#23]
Isnt he in Vegas? I am in Reno and have a few people here that can do it. I was so happy when Alaska pulled their head out of their ass and said a permit wasnt necessary. It should be that way everywhere.
9/29/2007 11:41:05 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Isnt he in Vegas? I am in Reno and have a few people here that can do it. I was so happy when Alaska pulled their head out of their ass and said a permit wasnt necessary. It should be that way everywhere.


+ 11ty billion, I sure wish Oregun was on that list.