Posted: 9/20/2007 1:12:25 PM EDT
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I recently SBR'd a MP5 clone. It started life as a pistol, but now is a registered SBR. Is there any reason for me to keep my blue card? Steve |
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The Clark county registration is not a handgun registration. It is a registration of all firearms capable of being concealed. Registration in Clark County Title 12 of the Clark County Code requires the registration of firearms capable of being concealed. County Code defines the term "Capable of being concealed" as "any gun, pistol, revolver or other firearm, the barrel of which does not exceed twelve inches in length, from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by explosives, springs, gas or air as a means of propulsion". County Code further defines the term "Firearm" as "any weapon with a caliber of .177 inches or greater, from which a projectile may be propelled by means of gunpowder"; and defines the term "Pistol" to mean "a firearm, the barrel of which does not exceed twelve inches, intended to be aimed and fired with one hand". |
That seems like a pretty dangerous opinion to have. |
Sounds dangerous to me. Then again, I am a better safe than sorry kinda guy. The law is written fairly clear to me. There might be an unwritten policy that the PD goes by but who wants to try and use that as a defense in court? I too would be interested in what actual NFA owners are doing. |
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How in the flippin hell would they ever be able to convict you? How would they show intent to violate the law? The verbiage states "requires the registration" my SBR is already registered with the US Federal Govt. - but what the hell do I know. |
Thing is I have never actually seen a class 3 dealer in town issue a blue card when handing over an NFA item, like I say it would be interesting to see. Plus the fact the Sheriff signs most of the form 1 and 4 that we use, you would imagine they would of said something by now about remembering to register your weapon once its approved by the ATF, plus they would of told the dealers to do it. 12.04.100 Sheriff to be notified. A dealer making a sale of a pistol shall, within twenty-four hours thereof, furnish the sheriff with a duplicate copy of the receipt referred to in Section 12.04.080 of this chapter, signed by the dealer and by the purchaser or transferee of such pistol. (Ord. 242 § 10, 1965) 12.04.110 Registration of pistols within twenty-four hours. Any person receiving title to a pistol, whether by purchase, gift, or any other transfer, and whether from a dealer or from any other person, shall, within twenty-four hours of such receipt, personally appear at the county sheriff’s office, together with the pistol, for the purpose of registering the same with the sheriff. It shall be the duty of the sheriff to register the pistol, and he may, and is hereby authorized to cooperate in any manner he sees fit with other law enforcement agencies, and with licensed dealers, relative to registration of pistols, so that efficient registration shall be secured at minimum cost and duplication. (Ord. 242 § 11, 1965) But Andrew is right on his reading of the firearm capable of being concealed must be registered, however that section gives no time limit for the registration. 12.04.200 Registration of firearms capable of being concealed. It is unlawful for any person to own or have in his possession, within the unincorporated area of Clark County, a gun, pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed, unless the same has first been registered with the sheriff or with a police department of any of the incorporated cities of Clark County. (Ord. 242 § 20, 1965) |
Well, a SBR is a NFA item and would require a CLEO signoff. They would then be notified of your weapon. Unless you go the trust or biz route. I have NEVER seen a case go for failing to register a weapon. You get a cite or go to jail. They impound your gun. You pick your gun up and register it. The case is dumped. |
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Many Class 3's have been through the sub-stations since they are capable of being concealed. Granted, the sheriff does sign off on the forms but not if you go the trust route. Just about everyone I know with a class 3 firearm capable of being concealed has registered it with the sheriff with Clark County because it is the law. Pedro has even copy/pasted the law on this thread. My suggestion is to register it just to be safe. As for the Thompson Contender/Encore, they will just register the frame regardless of the caliber. |
You do what you want, but I am not registering my vehicles, dogs or weapons more than once. NRS does NOT supersede the Federal statutes. This is a form of gun control and I am not about to help them in that regard. A simple letter to the CC DAO would resolve this issue for anyone who is losing sleep over this issue. For the LEO's on here, what would you charge me with? Its already registered. |
They want each caliber.... that is the same problem people run into where they swap barrels to another caliber on any handgun. Stupid vagueness is the real problem. Instead of doing 14 separate forms, we just listed all the calibers in the misc. section. CCW initially said just do a form for each caliber, I told them they were nuts.
If you went the route where it is a personal weapon, the Sheriff has already noted your possession of the weapon.......... something I fully disagree with, regardless if the weapon is concealable or not. Could you say this is registration?? I would argue yes. If it was not done this way, then the Sheriff was never notified as required by the ordinance. You could be charged with failing to register the firearm. The gun is impounded and a ticket is the normal route. |
See, here's the thing: Local ordinances may be more restrictive unless prohibited by statute. The prohibition against carrying knives with a blade length greater than 3 inches is a good example. The concealable weapon ordinance is a county ordinance, and is not prohibited by state or federal statute, so it is therefore binding. You can be charged with violation of the county ordinance, since it's not registered with the county. This is a misdemeanor crime, as are all county and city violations. By statute, any misdemeanor conviction is punishable by a fine of up to $1000, up to six months in the city or county jail, or both. In reality, your gun will probably be impounded, and a citation issued. Now, here's the kicker. If you decide to plead guilty or nolo to the misdemeanor, the judge has the option of keeping or disposing of the firearm. To my knowledge, this has never happened for simply not registering the firearm, but it could.
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Jim can you tell me where I can find that info. I have been looking to find out if there is a diff in legal length for a folder or fixed blade. thanks.. |
Here's the county code, Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and Henderson also incorporate it into their municipal codes. 12.04.180 Concealed weapons prohibited without permit. It is unlawful, within the unincorporated area of Clark County, for any person to carry upon his person a concealed weapon of any description, including a knife with a blade of three inches or more, a gun, pistol, revolver or other firearm, capable of being concealed, without first having received written permission therefor from the sheriff. (Ord. 242 § 18, 1965) |
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Jim's statement reflects my experiences with confiscated arms. Typically, the unregistered gun charges are not the only charge; they accompany something else. I typically see illegally carrying concealed charges, and usually there's a fine and forfeiture. The guys walk away with misdemeanor, but won't a misdo CCW charge cause you to lose your permit? Possession of an unregistered firearm is not something I usually see. Occasionally, a firearm will be returned, but it's not common. So those of you with stripped AR lowers...do you all need to make a trip down to a substation and get registerin'? 
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| So you're saying that because a stripped "rifle-designated" AR lower technically *could* be mounted to an under 12" barreled upper (even though that's already illegal w/out being registered as an SBR) it'd have to be registered?.......Gawd, I hope that is not the case. Where would that stop? i.e. other guns outside of ARs i.e. shotguns etc. |
No trench coat needed, just ask this guy www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqwF5dlZheY 
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I believe I know who you are talking about. One thing is that the new law comes Oct 1st specifically states semi-auto and revolver so I really don't know what will happen to those guys/guns when they re-new their permits. |
The SP89/UZI/Mac 10 (and 11) are all considered pistols. That's why they have a Blue Card and they are registered as handguns. SBR's are another issue because they are still a rifle and they are Class III. Hope this helps. Joe |
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